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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by NordicRaven, Sep 22, 2015.

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    1.29XX volts on load, the idle is just higher. Keeping in mind that's just a voltage I selected and didn't fine tune it. Should work for you as well, I wanna try 4.8Ghz but temps are getting high, need a delid lol
     
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    U coding it in the bios or selecting through xtu?

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    WTF?! This is even before delid! I'm guessing you haven't tried any cpu stressing software like prime to see if the cpu is stable? I need your xtu settings please!
     
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    I'm doing it through XTU.

    wPrime passes but temps are in the mid-high 90s with that program. This is not for 24/7, only for benching. I would need to delid for 24/7 stability, mainly due to temps.

    For 24/7 it seems 4.5Ghz is the sweet spot for non delided CPUs, skylake seems to be 4.6-4.7Ghz ready if you delid them.

    Please keep in mind using my settings in XTU will cause your CPU temps to jump to the high 90s if they aren't already there. You will need to monitor your temps, I bench with 100% fan speed.

    In XTU raise the multiplier to 47x on all cores, 44x on cache.

    Change voltage mode to static.

    Core voltage I set to 1.21875v

    Core voltage offset I set to -9.7656mV

    Max out Turbo Boost Power Max, Turbo Boost Short Power Max and Processor Core IccMax.

    That's all I did. It makes my core voltage around 1.29XX V on load. It may behave differently for you, it's best to experiment what works for your system.
     
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    GTVEVO how hot is your CPU when you run it at 4.6? Mine hits 80C with 4.5 (6700K).I tried to download the Control Center Software but I get the same archive corrupt error...
     
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    I will check to be completely accurate but I think around 80c + at 4.6ghz. I am delided with CLU all over everything

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    I thank you

    Impressive, again have you used prime95 to test for stability? If so are these the temps you're getting? last time I'm asking, promise lol, also your settings please, you're via bios though aren't you, lucky dawg
     
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    No I have not used prime for stability testing at this point I used the testing that's inside throttle stop as well as the physics testing so I have not made it that far yet. Have a bit of travel today so I will keep you filled in.

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    Remember, p95 does not guarantee stability in all situations. If you must do it, v. 26.6 without the avx instruction set gives better real world temps without the crazy 20C jump the 28.x sees.
     
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    Excellent point thank you

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    What's everyone running for 24/7 stability on the 6700k? I tried 1.20v @ 4.4Ghz and it passes all the tests in wprime , throttlestop, xtu, 3dm but crashes after awhile in one of my games. I'm about to try stock real quick to make sure everything is stable.


    As I thought, game still crashed after 10 minutes. Max temp for cpu was 65C, gpu 1 was 64C gpu2 was 76C.

    I'm going to try restoring the ram back to 2400mhz, it was at 2666mhz.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Just up your voltage by +10mV. I'm a tab whore. I passed all of my stability testing to have it crash with my browser open (over 100-200 tabs). Just increase it in 10mV increments until you see no crashing. When OC or undervolting, it's a waiting game. It may take hours or days at first, then weeks or months. Just up the voltage by 5-10mV. Until it stops unless you suspect a different component (like ram or something). You've come this far. Unless you are doing fine tuning (which could mean uncore/cache/ring voltage needs increased or the input voltage), I'd do that with core voltage. After seeing no crashes and you are satisfied it is stable, then tinker with other voltages for 24-hr stable. REMEMBER EVERYBODY: STABILITY TESTING ONLY SHOWS STABILITY FOR THE SPECIFIC PROGRAM!!! You may need to fine tune after those tests. Also, if your v droop setting is too tight, that might have an effect on stability. :)
     
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    42x4
    Adaptive voltage
    160a core current limit
    -150mV offset
    42x cache ratio
     
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    Edited my post, it happen even completely stock. I'm running 4.5Ghz 24/7 on my desktop since day 1 with no issues. This one seems special lol.

    Just remembered I also installed the 361.XX drivers, also going to revert that to 359.XX
     
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    It may be a memory issue then, as stock shouldn't do that. Either that or a heat shutdown on a different component (motherboard or video card). I point to the ram because of noted instability from other users. Hmmm... Try testing out other components then.

    Note to my above post for the community (no longer applies to your situation, just didn't want to retype my edit): also, is your cache multiplier set to match core multiplier or set to 40? The reason I mention this is on one to one core cache ratio, it may need added voltage to the cache/ring/uncore to remain stable at higher multipliers.
     
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    Today Clevo updated the nVIDIA driver to 359.00
     
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    I've got this one running 4.7GHz, c-states disabled, and 2400 RAM overclocked to 2666 24/7 with no issues. Rock solid performance and good temps. I don't use Prime95 for stability testing. No need for it. That and XTU are just chip stressers that do not really prove anything. As long as nothing gets too hot benching and gaming, nothing needs to be fixed. If it does, I can either set it on my AC unit for a blast of cold air or use my ThrottleStop hotkey to choose a less insane overclock profile in the blink of an eye... easy peasey.

    Have a happy New Year, guys.
     
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    Just put everything bone stock even nvidia drivers are back to 359.XX , started testing the game. If it is stable then I will try OC again. It may have been the newer drivers, who knows.

    When I had it overclocked to 4.4Ghz, I had the cache at 4.2Ghz.

    I won't be going that high until this CPU is delidded :(

    Happy New Year everyone.




    EDIT: Game still crashed wonder what's going on. I played last night for like an hour no issues and that was @ 4.6Ghz!

    Also after crashing the laptop started beeping.
     
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    I didn't think about the driver because I can't use that one yet (win 7 no boot and not a Prema beta tester). Hope that resolves it!!!

    And of course happy New Year everyone!!!
     
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    Remember if you're messing with the BIOS and you have XTU you installed you should remove it then optimize defaults and start over cuz it fools with the registry

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    Yeah, that's too much overclock for the CPU not being delidded. This one would not handle it before then either. If you're using a voltage offset at the higher overclock or have voltage set too low that might be causing it. Use static voltage and hunt for voltage settings that are stable and it will make you and the CPU much happier.

    I do not even have XTU installed any more. I use the BIOS for everything. XTU doesn't really add any value and the system is not as stable at high overclocks using XTU. If XTU was installed with the stock BIOS, at least uninstall and reinstall XTU because some of the original BIOS registers may be slightly different. That may also help with stability. XTU forces you to have the cache (ring) and core voltage equal. That's not necessary and can actually be way more than the cache needs. XTU does not allow you to set extra turbo voltage or PLL override, which also help with stability. XTU does not give you any access to power limits except turbo power limits. There are four more, three of which have a discrete time window. You can also fine tune the ICCMax in the BIOS for System Agent, Core and Ring independently, and use higher values than XTU allows (if you need to).

    XTU is missing way too much important stuff for higher overclocks.
     
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    XTU is not really meant for true high end tweaking it's true, at least not on a platform with all the hooks in for every setting.
     
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    I got rid of XTU. @ 4.5Ghz I was able to run the Heaven Benchmark in a loop for 30 minutes before it crashed.
     
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    Here is 4.6ghz using the throttleshop large test at 4.6 with only the overclock fan profile 78c max, no undervolt.
    TS_4.6ghz_LargeTest_Overclockfanprofile.JPG
     
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    Okay I reduced the voltage and dropped clocks to 4.4Ghz. Ran the game for 1 1/2 hours , no crash. Think I found my 24/7 settings. :cool:

    Can't wait to delid soon, gotta order Liquid Ultra.
     
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    tell me all your settings bro, cpu voltage, cache voltage, cache mutiplier, turbo max boos (current), turbo time window (I have mine at 1 second), everything please
     
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    Man I feel left out with my machine in the shop.

    Hey matrix, offtopic, but have you seen the fire in your city?
     
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    Yes it was The Address Downtown Hotel tower which is right next to the tallest building in the world ( Burj Khalifa), the whole tower was on fire, started from one of the top floors then spread out quickly. The reasons are yet to be known for the fire.



    Back on topic, what shop is your machine in? Please list the reseller you bought it from and the specs for us to enjoy your future happiness.
     
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    Matrix reserve us all a room for the f1 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Race, Yas Marina Circuit next year. Wouldn't that be cool!

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    be aware that those settings might not be stable on your cpu, either voltage or temperature wise. every single cpu has to be finetuned by itself to find its sweet spot...

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Happy new year everyone! And also, in the shop as in rma.....

    Not so good.....
     
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    RMA so fast? Didn't you like juts get it? what happened brah?
     
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    Ahhh thank you! Interesting. Why i dont have throttle stop yet I've no idea
     
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    Np be aware throttle stop didn't work at all before using the prema firmware and ec.

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    REfuse to boot after crash
     
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    Everyone be aware, I just ran into an issue that @Matrix Leader described a while back. Be aware when you uninstall XTU there is something that XTU and the control center share so you system fans will stop responding. In other words for the time being once you install XTU don't uninstall it, just leave it and don't use it to ensure the HOTKey "Control Center" will still operate your fan control. If you have removed XTU after installing it just re-install and your fan profiles will return and start operating again.
     
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    That's why I'd rather run at stock than install XTU, never had good luck with it anyway
     
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    I've been saying XTU is absolute garbage for the longest time ;)
     
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    That's interesting about the fans. I haven't noticed, but I haven't been running XTU. It probably screws up something in the EC or ME that messes with the fan profiles. I know flashing the BIOS with a different firmware package causes XTU to mess up as well. I kept running into that during BIOS testing with @Prema. That might explain some of the "Current Limit Throttle" crap as well, if it was doing something stupid to mess up the EC.

    The Prema BIOS for this monster is so awesome it's not needed unless you want to change Base Clock. Otherwise, not much value in it at all. Additionally, @unclewebb has a new version of ThrottleStop with new Skylake features and it's excellent. You can change as a lot more than XTU would allow... including voltage. I'm going to have to test it on the Panther to see if it added anything useful for the 4930K. It would be sweet to have voltage control on that bad boy as well.
     
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    I can wait to try this out.
     
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    Anyone with a Occulus DevKit using a p870DM? Hoping to get into this next year and wanted to know how well it's working. :)
     
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    No dev kit here but I am ready for a pre-order as soon as it's announced. Should be anytime.

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    Guys... I've been using EVGA Precision X on the Sky X9. Might not be a good idea. FYI... look here for why I say that. Might want to stick with NVIDIA Inspector even though it is a pain in the butt in comparison.
     
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    Multipliers all at 44x
    Voltage is static (override): 1.150v
    Core extra turbo voltage is 1.225v
    Core PLL offset is: 35 (+)
    Ring ratio is 44x
    Ring voltage mode is adaptive
    Ring extra turbo is 1.150v
    Ring voltage offset is 0 (+)
    Uncore voltage offset is 10 (+)

    And of course the usual , increase the power limits, etc.

    For me, I will try 4.2Ghz with less voltage. A single power bricks turns off after a bit when I'm playing games. I guess 330w isn't enough for 980m sli stock with a 4.4Ghz 6700K so I will try 4.2Ghz and if that's too much I will just go back to stock and undervolt a bit which should allow me to use a single 330w ac adapter. Don't want to have to carry two all the time. ;)

    Wow still happening huh. I wish we had proper voltage control in MSI Afterburner but nVidia inspector will do if it means we'll be safe. Although all displays on the Sky X9 are eDP now even my AUO 4K one is.
     
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    Thanks a lot bro! rep added to j00
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Nice!

    It's funny how the old vBIOS doesn't work with latest driver and the newest vBIOS doesn't work with the old driver...
     
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    That physics score it what gets me excited. So stinking amazing how much stronger and faster the extra cores make everything. Great job @Kpaxx.
     
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    The P570WM will remain king for awhile. :cool:
     
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