*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Yep, an Asus Swift, did 3D or G-sync just fine.

 

Its all good, I'm sure someone around will be able to give me a hand Thanks for all the info tho

 

Please tell me how it went. I am thinking of listing mine when I get it back from RMA as well. Really depends how much time I can spend at home vs library this semester.

 

1080P screen with highest settings, 4x AA and an 85-100hz refresh rate should give a really nice experience.

An external 1440p 144hz panel is good too .

 

Hmm Im liking that
Also could you help me out a bit with the hard drive selection?
Should I go for a 256 NVMe m.2 ssd as boot drive and another 1tb 7200rpm as storage?
Im confused as to which configuration will work out better. Im not thaaat space needy.

 

NVMe for OS and HDD for storage is what I'm doing:

512GB Samsung 950 Pro NVMe for OS
2TB 5400rpm HDD for Storage

 

Won't that make loading times terrible for games on the 2TB drive?:/
I mean, unless you're storing photos or movies or something, is a 5400rpm worth it?

 

The two or three main games I play go on my SSD, everything else on the HDD.

Thus far 5400rpm isn't too bad for loading times. Maybe when SSD prices come down even more I'll invest in a 1TB SSD.

 

@marios50 @ssj92 hey guys, could you clarify what the question is; I'm not sure if you're asking what the AdobeRGB gamut measurement is or if we have the 4K panel available (which we do!) or if it's something else I haven't understood. Thanks

 

Speaking of these 4k panels. Do they show 1920X1080P correctly??

 

So long as you don't mind moving the odd game as it gets more or less used then that would boot and get around fast. Games on the HDD would be as normal.

 

The question was if you had it, which you've answered so all is good.

 

Nvm just saw other answer.

Ughh now im leaning more towards the SLI version hehehe
I have to get them to make me a nice deal if so..

 

Yup also wanna know

 

I'll take some pics with my camera later so you can see exactly how 1080p looks on the 4K panel

 

Thanks

Alright guys I kinda tending to go more towards the SLI now, so I'd like to ask a couple of questions.

Will I experience any kind of throttling from the SLI setup? Or has this issue been resolved through updates?
Also, how upgradable is the system with the sli setup?

Thanks

 

If you are running modded bios, none if you keep your temp below 91C.

What do you mean by upgradable? It is just as upgradable as the GTX 980 version.

 

If I don't do any overclocking at all, will my temps be fine?
Also, is the so called Prema bios public now? Do you think I can ask my reseller to preflash it?

 

Depends your ambient, but probably yes.
The vbios is public I believe. If you buy from prema's list of partners, you can ask them to preflash it.

 

I've always been a multi-GPU fan and probably always will be. BUT, it seems that getting a pair of excellent 980M cards in an SLI beast is a rare exception to the rule. QC seems to be poor on MXM GPUs, and moreover, if one of the GPUs in an SLI system is a pile of crap then there is not much point in having it for benching because your scores will suck compared to the people with a pair of good 980M cards. And, GTX 980 (200W) is a real beast MXM card. I'm struggling with the decision over which is the better value. The overclocker/number-chaser nut that is inside of me says single GPU is for little girls and gamer-boys, but the sensible part of me that wants to spend less money, have single AC adapter convenience and a GPU that overclocks like a banshee high on ghost chilies says go with GTX 980.

Having used both the decision is no easier. In fact, it's probably even harder now. Had I not been able to use GTX 980 I probably would not even be considering it as an option after seeing the lower benchmark scores. Having experienced what a monster it is for a single MXM card, it causes me to pause. It stomps the daylights out of 780M SLI and totally annihilates a single 980M. Flip a coin and enjoy your decision. Depending on how you look at it either decision is the better one. I doubt you're going to be disappointed. Just resist the urge to compare your benchmark scores to 980M SLI and everything will be peachy. If you start doing that and forget that you're comparing apples to oranges it will be a disappointing distraction, so don't do that.

Bro... Listen... Please don't spend thousands of dollars to gain nothing. What you already have now is slightly better. NVIDIA sucks more with each passing day and there is a slowly growing problem with SLI support because the mainstream gamer-boy is a cheapskate running a BGA turdbook and game devs are too lazy to burn a lot of calories on something that a comparatively small number of their customers have. But, you enjoy benching more than gaming, right? Me, too. That part of my brain still says "hell no" to single GPU.

 

1: The problem with benchmark scores reading is 99 percent of every one is reading into it wrong. When numbers chasing you look at the score numbers.

How do these numbers relate.

2: When gaming is the main focus you are only concerned about FPS.

You are only concerned about the FPS ONLY! Nothing else. This gives a far more beneficial number in terms of where might stand or are trying to compare performance.



Test 1 shows 120 FPS & Test 2 shows 101 FPS. This is the gamers main concern when trying to see where ones machine stacks up.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7059595

Test 1 shows 80 FPS & Test 2 shows 66 FPS

That is how you get a more of a real world idea.19k means nothing other than going for records, but the actual fps average is what you really want to pay attention too.

 

I wonder when will someone will start selling "binned" MXM gpus. Could make a big buck out of benchmarking community though there is a small demand. I know would pay an extra premium against lemon clockers.

@Mr. Fox If each MXM slot can provide 100w and p870dm have an additional power connector, whats preventing nvidia from launching a dual slot large mxm pcb with a gm200 on it besides being ngreedia?

 

The problem with the idea of binning MXM cards is what to do with the ton of trash left over, and who absorbs the loss on the leftover junk that nobody wants. Somebody has to buy them to bin and if they lose money in the process there is no reason for them to do it. But, yes, definitely, I would be willing to pay extra for the best.

The danger here is assuming they don't already have that ready to go once they are done milking their customers with the current product line. NGREEDIA does everything deliberately and releases greatness in tiny bite-sized chunks that make them a ton of money off of customers driven by owning the best. Rest assured that they have a basis rooted in profit for not showing all their cards at once. They always save the best for later and retroactively cripple what they sold yesterday using cancer drivers.

 

Thank you for some extra clarification Fox... this pretty much reassures me that I made the right choice. I would love to OC the crap out of the single 980 card.. I have 2 psu's coming anyways so that part doesn't even bother me. At the end of the day if I can run any game maxed out and get 45-60+ fps I think I will be happy. Hopefully that's not an unreasonable thing to ask for... especially with what I'm spending!

 

@Mr. Fox If you had to choose one at this point, and your only desire was managing a decent 4k experience and going for raw gaming power, would you go for the 980M's?

 

4k res will tax a desktop system with sli 980ti's or Titan x's especially if it's a AAA title. So I would definitely go sli if you plan to play at 4K res.

 

My setup was getting just over 4000 (maybe a bit more)on the firestrike ultra benchmark, and it was showing in the results what they thought a 4k gaming PC (desktop)should be roughly, which was sli 980, which got about 5000. Was a logical result since the 980m is seen to be about 80% power of 980. Some of the guys on this forum, I think fox, were getting above that 5000 score by overclocking. I think you'd have to go 980m sli if you have hi res ambitions. Sorry I can't be more accurate with the scores, dont have them to hand

 

Probably so, since playing games at such as high resolution with good quality settings is going to choke most systems. You'll need every ounce of GPU muscle you can manage to scrape together for that to avoid a slide show.

 

Hmm it seems SLI might be what I'll be going at as it seems. I have never overclocked at all so naturally I am afraid to do over the top things. Will I be able to do some light OC'ing on the 980's without pushing things too far? I have no idea about voltages and stuff I just want to get the best gaming experience I can without risk.

 

Yeah, just overclock them as far as you can on stock voltage and you should be fine. You cannot go that high without extra voltage, and even if you could some games will pitch a huge fit about overclocked GPUs, even if they're not overclocked very far.

 

Oh I see. Do you think I can get away with just the one power adapter then?
Also, it is recommended I use prema bios to avoid throttling right?

EDIT : Will I be able to upgrade the graphics cards when pascal is out?
What i mean is, will they card sizes and interfaces be compatible?

 

As long as its mxm, yes.

 

I did some reading around and it everyone's saying that SLI is changing and stuff, at this point does it seem likely that they will be mxm cards?

It would really suck if I can't upgrade this xD

 

I don't see Clevo putting R&D into this Phoenix like they have and it be a dead product right away with no future GPU's on the next gen stuff. But who know right now, I've seen stranger things in my time.

 

Those things aren't always up to them,Clevo can do as much R&D as they please but ultimately it's up to nvidia and intel and whoever else they depend on for crucial components.

Edit: - In terms of the future of the machine,like pascal or whatever GPU nvidia releases next and whatever CPU intel releases.

 

If the amount of work that went into the @Prema BIOS (and continues to go into it even now) is any indication of the amount of R&D Clevo invested, I'm not that impressed. I mean, sure, it has nice components, looks great, made well, etc. But, good lord... what a terrible crippled mess in terms of the stock BIOS. But, that's not unusual. Alienware systems, before they turned into BGA traitors, were always a firmware mess until the customers got involved and straightened everything out that they crippled from the factory. Now they're just too messed up to even bother trying.

Eurocom is the only official distributor of Clevo notebooks in North America (and ABSOLUTELY NONE exist with other brands) that I am personally acquainted with that is willing to push the envelope and actively sponsoring the development of hardcore enthusiast innovation. They are the only one I know of that is trying to push extreme performance past the point where the manufacturer wimped out and just totally dropped the ball with half-baked products. Unfortunately, that is the norm now. And, Clevo did not try nearly as hard as they should have IMHO. But, mega-kudos to Clevo for at least giving us a good foundation to work with.

We need more rebels and disruptors to affect the status quo.

 

wth intel.. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/skylake-prime-number-bug,30979.html

 

Insert Rebel Yell...

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I know this is a personal preference thing, but how much extra money would you be willing to pay for overnight shipping on RMA?

I am personally leaning towards zero.

 

Just a heads up for new overclockers.

I overclocked my single core to 4500 in Xtune and everything appeared to work fine. However, how often in Windows do you ever use a single core? Probably almost never... Turns out I hadn't rebooted my system and when I did I couldn't start Windows anymore, not even to recover in safe mode. But resetting the BIOS (load Defaults in BIOS screen) apparently resets the overclocks and I was able to get back into windows. I had been running the 4500 overclock for a week, but had been suspending my computer every time instead of restarting. It was my combo of a big undervolt and 4500 that caused the issue but I never saw it due to always using more than 1 core until bootup which apparently only uses a single core for the first part.

Can anyone explain the value of the single core speed bump? Why is the default 42/40/40/40? It sure seems like the 42 would never be used.

 

There are some apps that will put a full 100% load on the first core only. This is where that single core ratio would kick in.

One of my games literally only uses the first core and it's constantly at 100% usage. This is where that single core ratio would help.

However, I prefer to have all of my cores at the same clock speed, so I tend to keep all the multipliers the same.

 

Well...
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/nvidia_pascal_mia_at_ces_reportedly_in_trouble/1

 

indeed, with the stock settings, I never saw my clock speed @ 4200 MHz. Kind of useless to be honest so I set all cores to 42 and lowered the voltage by -140mV / Adaptive and it was rock stable

 

Here's 4K AUO scaling:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p870dm-4k-auo-display-scaling.786769/

 

Thanks so much for that

4K Looks really nice there

 

Top right battery screw is stuck underneath the board....
Well so i finally got back from my trip overseas and was ready to install windows 7 and add a secondary drive after installing drivers.
While screwing back the top right battery screw, the little screw fell and I believe is stuck underneath.
Tried to shake the laptop but didn't hear any moving parts so it is definitely stuck.
Am pretty weary of tearing it down as I don't even know where to start.
Will there be any repercussions if I just leave it there or can it cause damage? Haven't started it up yet.

 

Better not to have it randomly fall out and cause a short somewhere. Any chance you can use a magnet to help?

BTW, the IfixIT Toolkit is pretty awesome as it has built-in magnetic drivers to hold the screws. Although it doesn't fit in some of the longer holes of the P870dm on the outside.

( https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/54-Bit-Driver-Kit/IF145-022-1)

 

No I don't have a magnet lying around, I used a flashlight but couldn't find it.
I did use a magnetic screwdriver but now I'm not so sure if it didn't actually pick it up because I had one extra screw when re-assembling the bottom case!
Are there any sticky or magnetic parts located in the phoenix? I did shake it pretty hard, whats the chance of the screw causing a short or even worse lodging itself in the fans?
EDIT: Just realized that if it did fall and is next to the battery it can cause a fire.
Mythlogic can strip it down for me but, will cost me 100$ for shipping back and forth with UPS... All screws account for so it might have fallen out while I tried to shake it, but I could have also used a screw from a different location.
I think I'm losing it, I am sure that it fell inside and never came out, is it not worth risking and ship it?

 

Tear-down https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/4/

 

Not surprised. I thought the exact VRM and VRAM setup was a little weird.