*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

So if a brazilian flies to another country for vacation with his macbook for example, he should always carry his brazilian receipt right ? Else they can tax you on the way back ?

 

Hey guys - for the 2.5" hdd slots, will 15mm thick drives fit or is 9.5 the thickest?

 

Hello everyone.
GTX980 "desktop"(85mm×115mm) SLI work on P870DM?

 

I have never thought about trying but I don't think they will fit as their would be a piece of frame in the way but if you have one laying around it would be worth a shot to see.

Just don't know yet, if the cards do fit then an abundant amount of fabrication and testing would be needed for a compatible heatsink design that would work in the real world.

 

Sager unfortunatley doesn't have 4k on any of their 17.3" screens yet. Hopefully we will see that over the coming year but no ETA right now. Would love helping any way possible, let me know if there's anything that i can do!

 

Yes. Exactly.

 

Not everywhere it's like you are used to in the "west"...
Sadly in most parts of the world you can count on the "bad guys" wearing the badge.
The last thing a sane person would do is go and declare your own stuff, because if you do and especially if you have all the paper work and rightfully have not to pay a dime, they will simply keep it all, until you pay the mandatory bribe to get it back.

Last time I was traveling they kept my stuff for 3 months because I refused to pay the (made-up) 130% import tax (or the bribe) on my own stuff (had all the paperwork to prove it), as it simply was against the law of that country to charge me at all...had to go way up in the goverment to get it back...go figure

 

How many of you guys(if any) have heard of Azom systems in India. I am planning to purchase the p870dm once it's available through them month end. They've only deal the p750dm(non gsync) till now (and the p150sm-a before that).

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Ok, my P870DM-GS has been ordered. As I impatiently wait for this thing to arrive, I am wondering what should I do when I get it?

1. I'm assuming this thing comes fully loaded/assembled and ready to go? Or will I have to install the OS and drivers first?
2. If it is pre-loaded and ready to go, should I wipe it all and then do a fresh install anyway? Juuuuuuuust in case it might have some nefarious stuff installed in it?

(I've never ordered a laptop before. I honestly have no idea what I'm getting in the mail. I'm used to building Desktop PCs with parts from Newegg and Amazon, so if I'm getting a box full of unassembled Clevo laptop parts, that's fine with me!)

3. Should I undervolt the CPU 1st thing? I read the stock stuff is a little high, leading to unnecessary temps. Or will it not really matter? I'm not a benchmarker type, but I am a maxed-graphics gamer type, which will probably makes things hot anyway. I'm getting mine through a non-Prema reseller (Prostar), so I'll have to use some 3rd party tuner? Any suggestions? Or is stock fine as-is?
4. I'm going to toss in a 2.5" Samsung 850 Evo in the extra drive slot. My plan is to run the OS off the M.2 SSD (250GB), run all my games off the 850 EVO SSD (500GB) and store all my videos/movies/music/whatever media files on the 1 TB HDD. Is this a good plan? Should save me lots of room.
5. What's this about obstructed grills? Should I peel off the backplate and look for that film taped to the grills? Why would it be there in the first place? Just to block out dust?

Anyway, just bored and daydreaming about my Clevo. Looking for a Day-1 To-Do list for when this thing arrives and steals my life away.

Thanks!

 

Depends how you ordered it, with an OS or without.

Anyway, the latest drivers are here since the Clevo servers are super slow:

Clevo P870DM/DM-G Drivers Mirror

As for the voltage, the stock is too high but nothing wrong with running it like that. I advice you not to install Intel XTU otherwise your fans will not stop spinning at full blast even if the CPU isn't hot. You can solve that temporarily by changing the fan from the overclocking profile to automatic but they start spinning fast again randomly on their own. Uninstalling XTU doesn't solve this issue, only a full format would.

To fully format your laptop, see my guide here:

NBR Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide

To install Windows in RAID mode, you need to copy the RAID driver onto the USB Flash Disk, when you get to the partition selection screen, you won't see them, just click load driver and navigate to the RAID driver folder.

Finally, since you did not order your laptop from Eurocom,HIDevolution or Mythlogic, you are stuck with the Clevo BIOS which has 0 options to customize so my advice for you is to wait for Prema when/if he releases the Prema Mod BIOS to the public before trying to mess with your system as I really advice you not to install XTU, just my 2 cents worth after owning 2 of these laptops.

 

I think its always best to do a clean fresh OS install.
Mine came singing but after a while had some windows login problems I thought were something completely different. I'm glad that Eurocom included a usb stick with all the drivers.

Also, there's only 2 m.2 slots. So, if you have a raid system its already using those two, no place for a third one unless you're using a sata Drive for the third place. I have a 250gb xp941 fo OS, a 850 pro 250gb for games and a 1tb Hdd for content storage. Any day I'll install another 850 pro, but on the sata slot for kore games haha.

In your place, I would:
1- install a clean OS install
2- then install drivers
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p870dm-dm-g-drivers-mirror.786094/

3- use aeroglass (in case of windows 10) and do what @Mr. Fox sugests here (before conecting on the internet the first time: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-lounge-phoenix-has-arisen.781814/page-257

4- then allow windows to update everything and itself.

5- mess with it for a while install your stuff, and only then do the undervolt, before you start gaming.

Though probably it will do, its not certain that -150mv will be stable in every system, and you don't want a unstable system while installing stuff.

Mine to be stable with -150, I had to turn off C states for instance, and you can't do that on the stock bios.

EDIT: forgot to mention: kindly credit @Phoenix for the drivers page and @Mr. Fox for the windows 10 instructions =)

 

EDITED: Sorry, I corrected - it's a single 850 Evo SSD on one M.2 drive. My other 850 EVO will be going into a 2.5 sata drive bay.

Also - mine is coming with "Windows 10 Home 64-bit with DVD Recovery Media". So, I'll probably do a fresh install either way via a USB drive.

BTW - Thanks for all your help! I can't imagine where I'd be without you guys! This information you've all supplied here is invaluable!

 

Just curious is the m.2 drive the 850 pro or the 950 pro(NVMe). If it's the 850 pro why would you get one when you have a 850 evo already?

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where did you ever see an M.2 850 Pro? it's only the 850 EVO that comes in the m.2 form factor. The 950 Pro is the m.2/NVMe SSD though.

 

Sorry, guys. I think I'm confusing myself and everyone else with all the 850 formats.

I already have an 500GB Samsung 850 Evo 2.5" notebook SATA 3 drive. That's going to be one of my slave drives.

The Clevo I ordered comes with an 250GB Samsung 850 EVO mSATA M.2 SSD (OS drive) AND a 1TB 2.5" SATA HDD drive.

So, I'm going to have the M.2 Evo for the OS, an SATA Evo for game installs and an SATA HDD for just movie/music/media altogether.

Hope that straightens everything out!

 

Thanks for the clarification. Now may I ask why you've not opted for an NVMe boot drive (price or otherwise). And what is the rationale in using two of separate SSDs for OS and games (and filling slots) vs just using your 850pro and keeping m.2 drives free for future PCIe ssd upgrades. I've seen many others go for two separate drives in the forum and I'm wondering if it is really worth it (also considering DMI bottleneck for NVMe dribes).

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Price is going to be the big factor here as the 250GB 850 evo is hard to beat on price. The DMI bottleneck is over 3GB/sec so a pair of SATA III drives wont scratch that too much

There is no real issue going with a single large drive though, you likely wont notice the difference between that and two drives (that are not working together even).

 

The model I ordered with the single M.2 drive was cheaper and there were no configuration options at the same price point. The next one up I saw included a 500GB EVO M.2 drive and more RAM (32GB instead of 16GB), but it also jumped the price up another $450. [EDIT - and it's the GTX-980M SLI GPU, not the 980 Desktop one] I guess could just use my existing 500GB 850 Evo for OS/games and save the M.2 for a later upgrade (get two for Raid or something like that). I was just throwing ideas around. I don't even have it yet. I hadn't considered any sort of bottleneck to be honest. I definitely want a 2nd drive for media purposes, but I could just use the slower HDD for that I suppose.

 

I was actually talking about two NVMe drives (independently or RAID 0)like the 950 pros.

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Just ordered my 870dmg from metabox
following specs, should be picking it up tomorrow.
17.3" IPS (1920 x 1080) FHD Matte LED with NVIDIA G-Sync Technology
NVIDIA GeForce 980 (GXX) Extreme 8GB GDDR5 VRAM with G-Sync
Intel Core i7-6700K Processor (8M Cache up to 4.0 GHz)
16GB DDR4 2133MHZ (2 x 8GB)
Samsung 950 Pro 512GB M.2 PCIe SSD
No Secondary M.2 SSD Drive - Optional Upgrade
1TB 7200RPM HDD
No Secondary Hard Drive - Optional Upgrade
Intel 8260 AC Dual Band WIFI/BT
No Optical Disc Drive - Optional Upgrade
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit
2 Year Metabox Platinum Care Onsite Pickup Protection
Standard Metabox Design

 

Hi Guys
Yesterday I've recived my xmg u726. Just one word AMAZING absolutely beautiful machine. Thanks for advise about gtx980

 

Congrats! As far as build, style and looks this by far is the best Clevo based machine yet, IMO. This is my 4th Clevo based machine and it certainly is the best so far out of all of them.

 

I had the stock Clevo P870DM-G and now the Eurocom Sky X9, they all look the same what are you talking about? the only difference is the branding the current Eurocom Sky X9 has a SKY X9 text at the fron of the screen bezel, the chassis is the same for all of them

 

This laptop looks very nice but is also powerfull I saw gtx980 test on youtube but when I've seen for the first time the whicher 3 on ultra runs 45-60 fps I couldn't believe... And is also so smooth before I could feel, if framerate droped from 60 to 50fps but no on this machine... Iam happy from my purchase so far. Thanks Mr. Phoenix to put me on right direction with gpu.
Anyway what is the best driver for gtx980 for now ?
Rainbow 6 siege show that my graphic driver can't work properly with the game.

 

Glad you're enjoying it. On my pheonix with SLI 980m's I'm getting about 60-79 fps on wither 3 with light overclock +135/+250

 

I'm curious how big of a total % performance gain I'm looking at with the Clevo.

I'm upgrading from an older Desktop PC. Here's the spec and the Clevo upgrade:

OLD CPU: i7 920 3.0ghz Nehalem on a X58 Mobo (SATA2.0, PCIe 2.0, USB 2.0)
NEW CPU: i7 6700K 4.0ghz Skylake mobo (SATA3.0, PCIe 3.0, USB 3.0 & 3.1/Thunderbolt)

OLD RAM: 12GB DDR3 1333mhz
NEW RAM: 16GB DDR4 2133mhz

OLD GPU: GTX 770 4GB (OC'd)
NEW GPU: GTX 980 8GB

OLD MONITOR: ASUS 1080p LCD 60hz max (with lousy speakers and a bad Headphone jack)
NEW MONITOR: LG? 1080p IPS Matte with G-Sync 75hz+?

Honestly, the only thing I'm going to probably miss is my big Saitek Cyborg Gaming Keyboard, but the A and S keys on that have worn away anyway.

My wife is already eyeing up the big empty space that my computer desk/tower currently occupies. I need to stick a mini-fridge there and stock it up with Yuenglings ASAP!

 

I said I had clevo's not necessarily P870dm's. I had 9377's and another model before I had those two 9377's. Non of those older clevo's were close to the quality and style of the 870.

 

Eurocom finally replied back!!

They want to charge $250+tax because it is a "non warranty issue?" Seriously?

Your thoughts @Mr. Fox @Prema

Here's what the email says:

"One of your video cards in non functional. Unfortunately, this is a non-warranty issue. We can replace the card for $250.00 USD plus tax.

Would you like to continue?"

 

Gaming will be a pretty big jump.
Compare the fps on a game you play currently is an easy way to find out.

My desktop system is acyually stronger than my Sky X9 (3930k at 4.7ghz, 2x gtx780 sli OCd) but both with gpu overlcocked the Sky X9 runs Witcher 3 with 15fps more, both stock, the Sky X9 runs with 10 fps more.

The 2x 780 are stronger than the 2x 980m, but they consistently get Better fps on most games. But the 780 would bench better (I still hadn't benched the Sky X9)

 

Ask why is it non warranty based?

 

I did, I'm waiting for a reply.

It's even more concerning they said only one card is non-functional. From our testing both cards were for sure non-functional. I don't want to receive back a laptop that still has an issue.

 

Yeah make sure they test everything before sending it out. My keyboard was still non functional when they send it out but eurocom did send me an advanced rma right away.

 

So for the infamous Killer Doubleshot-Pro chipset that has caused lots of controversy in multiple platforms...

I see a lot of people recommending to skip installing the full suite software and just install the base drivers, manually directing to the driver folder.

Is that just for the LAN? Or for both the LAN and WLAN/BT drivers? I see the Clevo driver page has two different driver packages, one for the LAN and another for the WLAN/BT, respectively. Should I do a manual install for both of those? Or just the LAN drivers?

Or have they released updated drivers/software suite that fixes all the problems people were complaining about? If so, what version of that should I grab?

Thanks.

 

for both obviously, you don't want that bandwidth network filter driver or whatever they want, the only thing it controls is disconnecting your connection randomly.

 

For the Killer wireless card, should be safe to install the latest suite and disable the bandwidth limiter in the card's settings from adapter properties.

 

@Netherscourge

Or, take 2 minutes and run the automatic Upload/Download speed test built in to the Killer Network Manager, and that will tune the Killer Bandwidth Control (QOS) software correctly.

The lag issue is because people don't tune the Killer Bandwidth Control (QOS) Upload / Download speed settings, and the defaults of 1500mbps Upload/Download produce wrong calculations.

Spoiler

You can tune invidual application priorities, but I find leaving them at normal works well enough - video stream / audio streaming keeps working even with a dozen downloads happening from several applications at the same time.

This very useful feature can tell you were the other wireless signals are around you, what center channel they are on - usually the default - and then you can move high/low of their center channel to get a clear/clearer space for your wireless router.

The Wifi disconnect issue was solved with a bug fix update, the current Suite version doesn't have the disconnect problem - a number of people with the disconnect problem before this have verified it's working now -> Zero Disconnects.

The 2 software packages, the Suite is for Wifi/Ethernet, and the BT package is for Bluetooth only. The drivers only package is for Wifi/Ethernet only - it's missing the Network Manger / Packet filter for QOS.

The QOS software is useful when you fill up the internet pipe with downloads / uploads, like when downloading games / updates / torrents for OS ISO's.

The Killer QOS software makes sure your browsing and Video streaming still work while the internet is 100% utilized. It's been helpful to me on numerous occasions.

If you want to disable stuff in a network adapter properties, I would suggest disabling the MS QOS - it doesn't work and reduces overall bandwidth by 10-20%, and if you don't use IPv6 disable that, for me I also disable all the MS Discovery-Printing-Filesharing stuff.

I keep Killer Bandwidth Control (QOS), IPv4, and the VMware / Virtualbox features enabled for the Wifi/Ethernet adapters, all the other features are unchecked.

 

Ok, thank you! I'll be sure to refresh the scanner every so often! (Or whenever I'm plugged in or unplugged)

 

It's useful to re-run the speed test when you move Wifi connections, or to/from ethernet - check to see if the speeds are the same.

If the speeds are essentially the same, you can keep the one setting for both Wifi and Ethernet, and other connections at the same throughput.

If Wifi speed is less than ethernet, try configuring your router to use 40mhz channel width for more throughput, and re-run the test - you will need to reconnect.

Setting to N only can help too. Moving to 5ghz helps the most if your path to the wireless router isn't occluded with too many obstacles or thick walls.

 

I'm surprised they didn't program the scanner to just run automatically after every reboot, log-in and maybe during hourly uptime intervals, just make sure nothing has changed. Or, is there an auto-scan option in there too?

 

It's not needed, once the speed is tested it remains constant.

It's the speed of the connection maintained by your ISP, which doesn't change unless you change your Internet Plan with them.

Right now, my ethernet and wifi are both measuring exactly the same speed.

It's only when you change venue's to another location and are connecting via different routers / ISP's that you need to re test.

 

I have the same PC and then ditched it after I go the Clevo. I barely used that PC and mainly played on an older clevo I had. Its hard to say the % performance gain as it is a very old CPU.

What I noticed with the PC (I had a GTX 970) is that even with a 970, the games would stutter (COD) on max setting. Actually even a medium setting on COD. My gless it that the CPU/chipset was the bottleneck.

I only bought this laptop to replace my old Clevo and I was going to keep my PC, but when I compared my PC to this Clevo and realised that I could just HDMI to my TV, I decided to ditch the PC.

Its probably double the CPU power and quite a large increase in GPU power.

 

Yeah these days you need to really clock the Nehalem up to get closer to todays stock CPUs.

 

Subtracting 100 to 150 mv is great because it cuts down temps a lot... in my case, 100% CPU utilization rendering/encoding takes my CPU (6700k) to 87C and beyond.... with -120mv it hovers in the 74-77C area. I need to use the XTU app to have some piece of mind that the CPU will not overheat... I am not always at my computer to monitor the temps... and sometimes rendering takes a lot of time.
The best way to revert the XTU settings/changes, at least for my P751 worked, is to uninstall XTU and take out the CMOS battery for 1 minute... everything will reset to default

Any idea what other software should I use to be able to undervolt my 6700k?

Thank you !

L.E. some spelling mistakes corrected... sorry about that

 

I am using p750 (=751)dm with [email protected].
I use throttlestop latest beta version. It works great.
Delid with liquid pro inside, mx4 outside.

 

I'm willing to delid As that as well, and also put some mx4 on the gpus, but both mx4 and clu are very hard to find in Brazil...

 

I don't think 15mm drives will fit.

Here is the service manual link:

http://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/P870DMG/P870DMG_ESM.zip

Page 32:

 

Will Throttlestop work with any stock Clevo? (non-Prema Bios)?

If so, where can I find the latest version? The only one I can see is 6.0, which was a 2013 version. I've seen some random links for 7.0 Beta 3, but I have no idea which ones are legit or not.

I definitely, at the very least, want to undervolt my CPU when I get it, even if the stock BIOS itself doesn't let me do it.

Thanks.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/

I dont know whether your link is legit or not, but that site is official.

 

Yes get it from the above rather than a shady corner somewhere

 

I get it from TS Author @unclewebb 's Profile Information page, he keeps that up to date:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/members/unclewebb.296710/