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I dont get the point of "gaming laptop" with the same size heavy and bulky as a mini itx or micro atx desktop

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thats a VERY good question, i would definitely recommend the 330W psu even at stock clocks with a 980 machine

higher portability is still given with a gaming laptop as opposed to any kind of desktop

 

It is still portable, it includes a screen and a keyboard, and besides you cannot put a hot GPU or CPU in a standard micro atx, they will just burn out. And high-end gaming laptops have dedicated cooling solutions for that

 

If you aren't pleased with portability of the Phoenix, just gimme the rig and I provide you with a semi-unportable mini itx/atx or whatever that pleases u moar!

Eventually you did miss the 'hovering' ability of the Phoenix due to superior fan construction! Muhahahaha!

 

Its actually due to the on-board flux-capacitor...

 

Let's see how it looks for someone to carry a mini-itx with a screen, speakers and keyboard vs someone with a gaming laptop through the airport for someone based in more than just one country or even just to a friend's place to game together. The point is mighty clear

 

We have to differentiate between portability and "Gaming"-ability. Sure a 17"-er isn't THAT portable, but mobile enough! Just compare the Phoenix and the "predecessor", see my Sig below. It turns out that the Phoenix is as sleekly and spirited as my rig is raw POWAH and bulky! And it's still an excellent gaming rig!

In terms of Gaming-ability: If this rig isn't meant for gaming or ocing the hell out of heaven then please call me Kermit!

 

17" is portable. For ease on my eyes for comparing docs or drafting side by side blackline and my edit, out is the only clear choice! If you think 13"or 15" is portable but 17" isn't, you are sacrificing something you don't understand.

As for weight, (not addressing you CaerCadern) ( @riegz0r) you know what you're buying and why. You either want or need the power. A fair complaint is carrying TWO power bricks or clocking back for power constraints of one brick or (if available, I don't know b.c I haven't had an sli machine YET (hopefully next year)) disabling fully one gpu entirely (no power draw). In any case, I'd carry it around and be proud to pull it out for my work. I remember the looks and comments I got about the power brick on my hm by the Apple fanboys. If you are so worried about image and don't realize what you're holding is that incredible and stomps Apple to the ground, then maybe see a shrink and get a MBP until you resolve it. Now, weight is a concern for some. I say lift weights to get ready for it, 15lb dumbbells should suffice, building up to 25lbs and you'll be healthier and have an amazing rig you can cart around as if you are walking with your c*©{ hanging out. If this doesn't appeal to you, then you aren't the demographic. It competes with sli alienware laptops and is made for that market. It's fine if you have different needs and desires for your mobile platform. But to critique something of this sort on that basis, you are short sighted. To remove weight would probably be reducing cooling, which would compromise the efficacy of the machine. It says you don't get it and should consider other offerings more in line with your ideal requirements.

 

So I'm still a bit stumped on figuring out whether I should buy the P870DM with 980 or 980m sli. In terms of being scared that I will run into poor sli utilisation games and upgradability to pascal (if bios flashes could be made available).

 

When are Clevo releasing their models in the US (i.e resellers like Xoticpc, powernotebooks, GentechPc, LPC Digital listing them)? I see only Mythlogic having the Phobos 8715S listed. A video review with benchmarks with temperatures would be perfect. The MSI has already been listed on several sites and GentechPc even has made an amazing video review of the same. Would love it if Clevo joined the competition and threw in some scores.

 

This system will only ship in early November.
Where have they posted the MSI GTX 980 system review?

The regular Clevo models with GTX980M & desktop Skylake CPU (P7xxDM) or Notebook Skylake CPU (P6xxRx) are already with end user, its just the GTX 980 models that people are still waiting for.

 

mini ITX or micro ATX being burned? which not because either still costs less than this laptop with twice the best features. ok mobility, is a bit more mobile but still have to carry the laptop two bricks. horns? these horns with unparalleled real. keyboard? unparalleled mechanical one. screen? unmatched by any screen or going tn ips decent. then I fall at the point already lost the laptop so thin and mobile laptop takes up more space than a desktop to put it on a table. you go to the airport and need all the VIP area and the table where they put the food to put the laptop in addition to having to plug it into the wall in order to have real performance. i7 desktop with GPU desktop and in many cases do not cool well on a desktop full ATX tower case with fans running third with two laptop fans ... I really think it got to the point of forgetting the essence of a gaming laptop or laptop by a brick while desktop gaming evolved smaller the larger laptops

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Gentech has posted the review of the GTX980 in the MSI GT72S in this thread.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lake-gt72s-with-desktop-980-gpu.782229/page-5

It is in their Youtube channel.


It is of course the 150W card and is limited by a 230W power adapter. It still does reach 85C. So wondering how well the Clevo would handle the 200W GTX980 and the desktop CPU when the MSI CPU reaches 85C when overclocked to 4GHz and that being a mobile 6820HK.

 

Ruhig Brauner! I'm sure nobody wanted to offend anyone.

Your question was about the term "Gaming-Laptop" of this size. So what did you expect? It may be larger and heavier than a fanboy's MBP. But if you consider what this rig is capable off, it is a wonderful piece of Notebook-Development with enhanced cooling-Solutions and and and.... In terms of "Mobile-Gaming" it is one of the best Notebooks I've ever seen so far. To miniaturize a fullsize pimped ATX-Tower to this size is a big Chappeau!

If you don't like it, it's okay! If you need something more portable, feel free to acquire something more "suitable". If you want more power, get a "sub"-Zero cooled, Quad-SLI/Crossfire pimped Tower with three Screens painting the wall. It's absolutely okay!

But to question the Status of a "Gaming"-Laptop of this one is a bit.... meh! What do YOU expect a Gaming-Laptop has to be considering the fact that 4k is around the corner with DX12, Oculus Rift and more demanding CPU-/GPU-Power?

 

You do realize that this thread is for a 17.3" laptop and there are lots and lots of us that actually own these laptops and use it for our day to day activities. Would we exchange this laptop for a desktop? No because we would have bought a desktop if that was what we wanted. This was a conscious choice of making the trade off between portability and performance that we made. But to come to this thread and say you don't get the point of having such a big laptop with a desktop class CPU and GPU and claim it cannot be cooled properly or its pointless to buy such a heavy laptop is an invitation for backlash. Discussing this on a general forum where all kinds of laptops are being discussed or saying you prefer lighter notebooks or say more thinnerr notebooks is a better way of putting it than rather saying its pointless to get this machine because I would not buy it. Just my two cents.

 

I like gaming laptops but we r talking about 3000 or 4000 dollars :/

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@Ethrem - trolling

 

That's the fact. The DM is THE high end gaming laptop. It can not be compared with other immobile tower solutions or mobile gaming laptops.

 

And so worth it, if I could afford one!

 

Man they must be using high ASIC chips in order to be able to run a full GM204 @ 1400Mhz with just 0.956v, too bad cooling is already reaching its limits at such a low voltage.

Here you can see some rough stock temps on the Clevo 200W:


http://forum.techinferno.com/clevo-...g-phoenix-executive-lounge-14.html#post146488

 

I din't know that laptops could not be priced above a particular price point. In the case of a laptop you pay for mobility and the miniature size compared to a desktop. While in the case of a desktop you pay for more performance. Off late the difference in performance has been drastically diminishing on the laptop side while the concept of portability is also increasing on the desktop side with smaller CPU cases and integrated desktops. Customers want the best of both the worlds and as long as there is demand there will be supply and technology will strive to innovate. Obviously with increased effort comes higher prices. Still a 17" laptop with a desktop CPU and GPU (i7 6700 and GTX980) and a very decent configuration of 16gb ram, 500gb SSD, 1tb HDD can be configured for under 3000$. I would say a desktop with very similar specs would cost say 2500-3000$ again with a monitor, PSU, chasis, keyboard, mouse all added. So we could argue with the performance being so similar you pay the extra amount for the smaller form factor and the portability it brings. Seems fair enough for me. If it still feels unreasonable for you then so be it. Nobody is forcing you to like it anyways the way I see it.

Can you post those pics here? I have just registered to that forum but still need 5 posts to see them apparently. I am very interested in the temps on this machine as the benchmarks for the desktop CPU were not very convincing from Notebook check.

The Schenker XMG U706 (Clevo P771DM) for eg reaches 100C. Yes Furmark might be a bit unrealistic but still 100C is still pushing the limit totally.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U706-Clevo-P771DM-Notebook-Review.150989.0.html

So just want to clear out things as to how the CPU performs in games and other cases and also as to how far the CPU can be pushed on stock and on OC. Same with the GPU. My last purchase ended up with severe heating issues so I am being very keen on the temps this time and want to make no compromises.

 

This is a thread about a desktop replacement machine on a forum about notebooks. If you wish to discuss the merits of desktops, we have a section for that. This is not the place.

 

???
You don't even have to register to see pictures, everyone can see them...for larger versions you just need an account, no posts required. Maybe refresh your browser cache?

It's just a 3D Mark shot with GPU and CPU temp curves.

 

haters gonna hate

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Tried it and din't work. Apparently to see the whole image I need to have 5 posts.


My interest is mainly for the CPU/GPU temps. If you can post the numbers even that would do. Sorry for the trouble.

 

It's a handy place to have download access to in the future as well, it would be worth putting in 5 posts now to unlock all access.

 

Din't want to spray 5 random posts to see the pic. Would dedicate proper time for the forum as soon as i spend some time on it. Thus asked for the pics or numbers.

 

I made a new account with 0 posts just to check that and have direct access to the pictures...

EDIT: OK, apparently only .png preview properly...still a bug for .jpg for new user...will put in a request to fix it.

Anyway the picture you want to see is the first one so .png.

 

ha, not even breaking 70s, thats what i expected also makes sense if u think about it: 980M with half the TDP has "trouble" breaking 70 in the ZM/DM machines, so double the TDP with double the copper and double the fans should result in the same thing

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Thanks a lot.

Thanks a lot. If my understanding of the graph is correct then the GPU maxes out at around 90C and the CPU sits at a comfortable 75-80C. All assuming the axis for temp is scaled with 25C (0-150C). Though the FPS parameter starts at a weird 0 mark which is a bit confusing. But pushing the temp axis higher will only make the temps look worse. Guess will have to wait for numbers.

 

The overclocking possibilities... Bhuahahaha

 

the two axes actually have increments of 10 units each so basically the temp axis starts at 30C... if im not completely mistaken

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Did I misunderstand the graph? I interpret the graph as the GPU reaching around 90C.

Ah well if you put it that way. But the MSI card maxed out at around 85. Wouldn't you say the cooling of both the laptops are almost similar with maybe minor differences? Still 70 vs 85 seems like a huge margin considering the MSI has the 120W card. More reason for me to believe the temps must be 90C. Just my guess though.

 

double post

 

Temperatures use the axis on the left, FPS use the axis on the right. The left axis is 10C per division, so GPU temps are 60-70 by the looks of it.

 

take another look at that gpu heatsink in the OP...

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Well you do have a point there. The lower the merrier

Maybe MSI knowing the GPU cannot be overclocked due to the 230W PSU decided there was no need for a better heat sink. But a 15C difference is just totally huge. Amazing work by Clevo there to be able to fit the 200W card and have the ability to keep it at 70C (better heatsink and dual fans of course) and throw in a 330W adapter to OC the hell out of it.

 

The GPU temp max is around 68C

 

I bet not many have the huge delta between CPU and GPU I have:



CPU is peaking at about 90C, GPU around 53C

 

Yeah I got that by now. I was under the impression the left axis started from 0 like the FPs axis on the right did. Thanks.

 

double post

 

actually, throw in two 330W psus to oc the crap out of it one 330W psu would barely be able to support stock clocks *lol*

damn, ur delta beats mine by about 10C but hey, shared heatsink here and uve got like separate chassis@GS30

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I wouldn't read too much into 3DMark temperature graphs... The test doesn't last long enough to spike the temperature to the point where the cooling system has to do any work. Still, nice numbers anyway.

 

Actually it was 78C. It reached 85C after OC.

 

Talking about this how much headroom are we expecting in the 330W left for overclocking the CPU/GPU? As per my inquiry from Mythlogic they say for overclocking we would have to get an additional 330W adapter. Would it really be barely enough for the stock clocks?

Yes you are right. Hence I phrased it as reaches "85C when overclocked".

 

Display 17.3 4k will be available in November.

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Awesome

 

phsew, dont expect too much headroom... uve got a 200W GPU + 91W CPU, that leaves 39W for the rest of the system, and that aint much! ull be tripping ur psu on a regular basis pretty much with any kinda oc applied, and that would seriously risk damaging your whole system! so definitely not recommended id say...

read this as "any kinda oc worth applying" were not talking about +1 Mhz here

 

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