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    *** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. Cheska

    Cheska Notebook Guru

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    I should have mentioned I have delidded the CPU. It definitely helped with temps by a good margin. I checked the Control Center (yes, I know it's evil :p ) and the clock for Core 1 was higher. Cores 2-4 were 4.0. That's silly. They've been changed to all be 4.2Ghz now. Either my delid was not perfect, the difference in speed spiked it, or a combination of both. As I monitor it, I do see some leveling of temps now, but still a slightly higher temp overall. If it bothers me too much, I may delid again, but I don't want to do it again right now haha. Have to get more liquid thermal too.
     
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    There is a good chance, it's the difference in clock speeds across the cores. What you can do is, get rid of the current CCC and make sure XTU (which installs with the control centre)is also gone. Like very trace of both.
    Then do a CMOS/NVRAM reset, and once that is done, install a slightly older CCC without XTU.
    Now you should be able to overclock using the BIOS or ThrottleStop.

    Just to double check, you have CLU on the die, right ?

    But yeah the latest CCC with its XTU based services is pretty must spreading herpes around. And that **** royally with the BIOS AND the EC.
     
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    Are you running sli?

    Sent from my SM-G550T using Tapatalk
     
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    breaktimeplayer Notebook Consultant

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    Sry disregard this post
     
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    That garbage gave my DM3 cancer. Had to do an NVRAM reset after surgically removing XTU and the CPU overclock components. At least now I have a newer CCC install without XTU so I can... check my headphone impedance I guess.
     
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    Yeah, I had it on it as well. Been editing for awhile and monitoring temps. Looks more leveled now. Only 2-3C max over very brief and farther between moments. CC looks to be the cancer of the machine right now. Ugh. I'll take care of it when I'm not so busy haha.

    No, single 1080. Thinking of upgrading later on though, but didn't think it was necessary for my needs right now, especially if I just end up upgrading the card next year.
     
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    and you have the vapor chamber?

    Sent from my SM-G550T using Tapatalk
     
  8. Cheska

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    No, it is the t-shaped heatsink. After a fresh paste and fresh install of Windows with everything, I'm reaching avg temps of mid 60's to low 70's during gaming. Right bottom side of laptop is the only warm/hot spot on the laptop, but other than that it's great so far. This is with max fans. With overclock fan settings, getting around the same with avg. low 70's. Good stuff given the power involved. Also another reason I was hesitant on 1080 SLI. Temps seem to be decent.
     
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    Took the time to finally update my signature with the exception of the hyperlinks which I'll fix later tonight. Will be joining the :p870DM3 Bandwagon tomorrow (already been picked up next day air by UPS per my request to Donald and Ted; the fine folks at HIDevolution). :3 Can't wait. Planning to get a 960 pro at some point once those become available for purchase to replace the 950 I sold. Been waiting forever to finally use the EVOC banner! :D
     
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    When you get it, can you let me know what you think of the 4K screen for gaming purposes? I may be upgrading this screen to the 4K for portable color accuracy related projects next year. Not certain, but I wanted to know if it hampered my occasional gaming (Overwatch, etc haha). The 120hz G-Sync has blown me away though. My monitors have always been work related, so gaming on such a high and constant frame rate is a surreal experience.
     
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    I finally took the plunge and bought my first laptop, the P870DM3 a few days ago. Now the real work starts, what necessary things i should tweak, programs to install, links to threats to help me along. I started reading this threat which is huge over 500 pages, im on page 56. What i realize thus far, Is how much i dont know. I ready to take this journey, i just need some direction. Thanks in advance
     
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    Sure, but truth be told, I've already had experience with the 4K panel before hand. (Upgraded/installed it myself when I had the P870DM-G). It's certainly a beautiful display as far as color and accuracy goes. But if you want the real low-down, click here about the panel and it should lead you to upgrade thread. among its pages, Victor did a lot of calibration and knows far more than I when it comes to that sort of thing. Overwatch from when I played it on a 980m SLI system ran in the 70-90 FPS range with settings about maxed. The only setting I couldn't max in 4K with reasonable compromise is the resolution scaling (haven't played in a bit, but I think 200% resolution scaling in 4K is the max and even two 980ms in SLI couldn't maintain). i understand your choice because in a years time I will be going to school for animation and thought about refresh vs color accuracy and resolution. I intend to create native 4K content when it comes to digital painting, design, and animation to match or exceed where the industry will be headed by the time I end up graduating, especially with an increasing online presence. The most I'd need is 60FPS, especially since even now many shows are shot at about 25-30FPS on television. With that said, I'm really hoping for a 4K 120Hz panel for the best of both worlds.
     
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    it should be possible, but I've no idea how to do it right now, sorry!
     
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    I need a doctor / adult

    the adaptive brightness thingy got activated, and I have no idea how to disable it ;_;

    It's of course de-activated in power settings and I don't see any place to bring it down. Please help!
     
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    I need to learn how to get HID evolution in my signature. I have it in an attached email, but getting it from there to here is another story. :wacko:
     
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  17. Georgel

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    If it's not possible to undervolt without CCC, or use the fan profiles, where do I get the older CCC, the one without XTU? What version would that be?

    I am using the CCC from Eurocom's site.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I want to cleanse CCC and XTU from laptop now. How do we do this?>? :confused:
     
  20. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Just put this at the end of your signature WITHOUT the spaces:

    [img ]htt p: //i.imgur.com/D32hDnk.png[/img]

    Warning: this will make the troll jealous :eek: (he knows who he is)
     
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    Clear NVRAM followed by an immediate format without going into your old Windows otherwise you'll have to do another NVRAM reset
     
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    There must be an easier way, man...

    P775 is almost impossible to remove that CMOS like other Clevos...

    Also, why exactly do we want to get rid of CCC XTU? What does it do? I'm asking because after a fresh install, I was stuck on automatic, and I feel that with a simple format and windows reinstall, XTU is completely gone.
     
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    slacker84 Notebook Geek

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    XTU apparently screws up the fan tables. makes it go full for no reason. And apparently a simple uninstall isn't enough to reset the fan tables.

    But I'm just waiting for you guys to review that new panel, I want to see the color accuracy and stuff. Because its proving very difficult to leave this 4k panel I have right now. I love the colors too much....plus I haven't been exposed to anything higher than 60hz panels...
     
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    If you are happy with the 4K panel, stay with it! It's an amazing panel (I had the chance to test a laptop using it).

    About XTU, I don't care about fan tables being loud. Honestly, I prefer them to go full blown when opening browser pages, I know that browsing internet can actually heat up the CPU (tested this, it heats up the CPU up to 80C just to open a few NBR pages, no idea why)

    EDIT::: I was stuck on Automatic before installing XTU CCC, and my fans were not spinning fast enough, got to 102C on package and 99C on core. Let's stay with noise is ok. GPU reaches only 70C with XTU CCC, while GPU reaches ~85 without it...
     
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    Have Hwinfo in the background. Watch how the fans work in common use. If your CPU heats up to 80C just to open a few NBR pages, then you should do something. 30-40 degrees too hot for such a simple task. If you have not done so. Set up temperature measurement in the system tray (like the image). You'll find this in Hwinfo64 sensor settings. You can also attach monitoring of fans there for monitoring the fan speed.
    upload_2016-10-27_6-26-54.png
     
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  26. Georgel

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    Did this.

    It happens for 2-3 seconds, exactly when the browser processes the information, it heats up, the fans spin up, it lasts 5-15 seconds, then they go down.

    And fans do spin a bit louder when CCC + XTU is installed, but it's better than having overheating.

    With CCC + XTU, I don't get this temp spike because the fans spin up and they cool the CPU.
     
  27. AKHIL

    AKHIL Notebook Guru

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    I got my p870dm3 today. Yeyyy

    Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk
     
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    Welcome to the EVOC - High Performance Machines team bro
     
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    Okay, do you at least configure madVR fully? If so can you share your settings?
     
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    Phoenix, I noticed in your signature that you have 2 ac adapters. Whats the reason for that and is that something I should consider?
     
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    2 psus become a necessity when going for a sli config (2x230W for 1070 sli and 2x330W for 1080 sli)

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    oh yeah sporting a signature now, thanks donald from hid evolution for the help
     
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    Thanks!

    I see now what the problem is with the fans XD

    Need to see how toi fix it now.

    Sure. It will look doddly weird for someone who doesn't know what it is. Pages top to bot, every setting that is chaged, abbreviated, if it's not clear, I'll make some photos.

    Devices - let it that way
    processing - deinter - disable entirely if you don't have interlaced
    artif banding remov - reduce - high / high
    redice ringing - don't select the reduce around edges

    img enhancements - shapren - 3.5
    crispen - 0
    thin - 3.5
    enhanc.detail - 0
    luma - 0
    adaptive - 0
    AB - 150%
    AR

    caling algo

    Chroma - NNEDI 64
    downscaling - SSIM 2D 100%
    AR strict (soft)
    Scale in linear light
    AB 150%

    doubling disable entirely if you watch 60fs material

    upscaling - Jing AR + Sigmoidal light

    upscaling refinement - Sharpen - 3.5
    thin - 4.2
    AB 150%
    AR acive
    Do not super res - it looks worse for most of material - too harsh / bloxky

    refine every 2X step

    rendering - delay active
    enable overlay
    disable auto fullscreen
    disable desktop composition
    use D3D
    use a separate device
    use a separate device for DXVA
    CPU - 128
    GPU - 24

    windowed - set backbuffers to 16
    disable stereo3d if you don't use it
    smooth - disable entirely
    dithering -ERR diff 2 - deactivate both colored and change dither
    DEACTIVATE entire page for trade quality for performance, especially important to deactviate use DXVA - this literally disables madVR by default lol.

    (I don't 3D videos - so everything like that is off)
    Image like this will be extremely sharp, accurate, details will be crisp, maybe a bit smoothened out, esperiment if you still want a sharper image, deactivating AB or lowering it results in a much sharper image - at the cost of bloating.)
     
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    1) because I have 2x GeForce 1080 GTX in SLI so the total system power draw will not be enough with 1 AC Adapter

    2) On my current system, the P870DM with a desktop class 980 GTX, I need the 2 adapters as I overclocked my CPU to 4.6 GHz (Silicon Lottery CPU FTW) so you need more power when overclocking otherwise you might hit a power limit wall when overclocking when the GPU and CPU under heavy load so they would throttle
     
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    Gotcha makes sense. Oh i did get the silicon Lottery cpu as well, was on the fence about that for the longest time. I realized i needed added assurance that id be getting a tested cpu i guess.

    What were some of the first things you done to your machine when it arrived at your home? Im not sure when I'll received mine, but im trying to put together a "to do " list then learn how to do it.
     
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    First thing:

    1) Install OS, configure it, then take an image using Macrium Reflect (do not connect to the internet so we can have a local account and so that Windows Update won't automatically install all the drivers for you)

    2) Install all drivers

    3) connect to the internet and run Windows update, since you have the latest drivers, Windows update won't install any drivers for you

    4) install all your programs

    5) tinker with overclocking

    6) enjoy

    See this too:
    Clevo P870DM n00bie's guide
     
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    OS Installed and my very first runs are below, the performance is mind boggling out of a laptop so I am impressed. As for the 1440p screen, I am impressed in some areas and not others so I don't want to give a full opinion on this until I have a few days with it. The good part is viewing angles and screen brightness is what you would expect and very good.

    Run 1 stock everything gsync off Single card
    20161027_3DM_P870DM3_Stock_Run1_Single_GsyncOff_16846.JPG


    Run 1 stock everything SLI enabled (Notice combined score went down? Owners of 1080 SLI are you seeing lower combined perf in this test also?) Performance is great but something isn't adding up with this test.

    20161027_3DM_P870DM3_Stock_Run1_SLI_GsyncOff_21796.JPG
     
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    My machine is already in Manhattan, Kansas as of 6:18am Central time. That's actually really fast considerring packages are typically slow to arrive on my military post (I live on Fort Riley) and there's usually a debacle involving mailroom personnel). I'd usually receive notice that it's just left Manhattan around 8:30am. At this rate I may be able to pick it up on my way to work. Here's hoping... :)
     
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    Mine is to be delivered today as well :D
     
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    what do you not like about the 2K screen?
     
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    I am not sure where to place blame yet is my issue. Almost like I can visually see the subpixel horizontal line. I am unsure if this is due to w10 or the hardware though.

    Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
     
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    I hope you can elaborate this more as that's the screen I ordered.
     
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    I understand sounds like others can chime in and state if they see the same thing with the 1440p. These are new so its hard to state the evidence if I don't know what is normal. I just wouldnt get to worried yet.

    Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
     
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    Hid evolution will install the os and install the drivers. since my desktop took a dump few years ago I think i may have windows 7, but i figure get the lastest copy of windows. I will get Macrum reflect and copy it to the Sata hard drive. Ive never overclocked a computer before, is there any program related to overclocking i should get and a ill check on here if theres a overclocking guide written already. Thanks for your help
     
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    Done! Thanks bro.
     
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    Actually yeah if you can screenshot me some pics in PM.

    What are your system specs? My goal is max quality and bring my 1080 to its knees. But I will do it to the point where no matter what type of video I play, the render times are still good.

    Oh noes I get mine probably next week(right before my ochem exam and math exam -_-) so I will probably leave it boxed until I finish those LOL
     
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    The fans are not loud as my previous MSI GT73VR.

    Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk
     
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    That noob guide is killer, especially the windows 10 fixes and tweaks. :vbthumbsup: :vbthumbsup: :vbthumbsup: Since the vendor is installing the os and drivers, that shouldnt be a problem to do most or all the tweaks and/ or fixes on that index?
     
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