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    *** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

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    I don't have much experience but you can use cntrl + f to unlock the graph and set a curve.
     
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    Right I have played around with this and it only lets you adjust the actual core clock by voltage Target you cannot control any voltage offset so I think we're still missing a piece to be able to do it properly. I do however expect it to be usable when the V bios mod is released.

    Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
     
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    Got ya. I played around with it as well and did not see a way to reduce the voltage using the graph but some others had suggested it so I did not know if I was missing a step.
     
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    IHS markings gone, huh? o_O use some isopropanol to properly remove the clu stainings on the IHS, the markings should still be there.

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    Hi Bro,

    Afterburner open.
    Press CTRL + F.
    Then look for the highest value.
    Should be at 1911 Mhz.
    Then look below at how much mv the value of 1911 MHz is reached.
    Then simply try and go down 50 Hz and adjust the performance curve.
    Example of 1075 mv at 1911 Mhz.
    Just at 1025mv let the 1911 Mhz reach and all following points must - must be below or equal.
    Then do not close the current window of the graph and go to the main menu of MSI Afterburner.
    Go to Save - click the profile you want to save.
    Then set the checkbox to Active.
    And you can already see the MSI Afterburner as temperatures drop.

    Risk lies with you.
    If you exaggerate it - the graphics card gets too little voltage.
    This is why you should take measures.
    All this happens adaptively. That is, even if you exaggerate - the next boot will be all right again - in any case with the standard options.

    That was a quick guide.
    This is an example. You have to check the values yourself.

    I accept no liability!
    The risk lies entirely with you.
    You wanted to know.
    I hope I did not forget anything.
    All this from memory.
     
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    Thanks!!
     
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    I did this while running Aida64 with GPU only checked. I saw the drop in MHz even when I underclocked it some with all the following points the same after 1025 mV but did not see a temperature difference.
     
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    Hi Bro,

    Then take smaller steps downwards and then the temperatures should be lowered a little.
    It is also possible to test with 1800 Mhz at 975 mv and then the curve after 1911 Mhz.
    Each graphics card responds a little differently.
    Just like the processors.
    Carefully test the running curves.

    You also have to test in games, if the graphics card runs with it.
    For testing, the graphic card will notice if it gets too little voltage and then freezes the picture.
    Hard downshifting is then unavoidable.
     
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    Ok, thanks
     
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    You do know in order to apply CLU, you need to use a brillo pad to scrub the surface, right? That's the reason why the markings are gone.
     
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    Guys, problem. Have anyone tried to install the latest NVIDIA display driver yet? Version 376.09. It says cannot find compatible devices in my computer.
    All the previous version installs flawlessly, I'm using 375.95 right now, and to verify I did a clean reinstall of 375.95, no problem.

    Any help would be appreciated..
     
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    Use DDU and you should be all good. Whenever you want to install a new display driver, always use DDU to remove all traces of the last driver.
     
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    I think the latest driver has device ID s missing.
     
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    In this case that won't work. Nvidia have missed off a whole mass of GPU device ID's so these drivers won't install
     
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    Modded INF should work then.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Bastages!
     
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    They couldn't organize a root in a whore house :D
     
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    Did this again and the voltage did not change, only the core clock at the voltage
    Stock
    1873mhz 1.0620v
    Set the curve to -50
    1823mhz 1.0620v

    This does not seem to work as you might expect. I don't see this graph controlling the voltage only the clock target by voltage. Now if voltage was unlocked then you could fool it by setting your voltage down and your clock up to offset the targets if you had too.
     
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    You don't set the clocks down, you adjust the V-F curve so that it maxes out at 1873MHz at 1.0120V for a 50mV undervolt. Then it won't go over that voltage.
     
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    What is -50?
     
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    Now its making sense, its totally back asswards but I was able to reach 1873 @ 1.0310v . Thanks everyone.
     
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    Could you take a picture of the curve and post it. Not totally sure I am understanding how to set it properly.
     
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    got a 22478 score in firestrike, CPU at stock with 74C, GPU with 71C and 72C.. overclock fan settings with -149mv.. what do you think guys? received my unit last Tuesday..
     
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    not bad, but not great either. That's probably your CPU throttling due to stock BIOS

    Can you run HWiNFO in the background then take note of the Min and Average CPU Speed?

    Alternatively, after the test is done, you can see the CPU speed under monitoring at the bottom, then click on the purple marker (CPU) to see the average clock speed:

    this is mine:

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16336233?

    [​IMG]
     
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    great! now do the following

    Go to NVCPL and set the power management to High Performance

    Set Texture Filtering to High Performance

    Gsync off / VSYNC OFF

    Ensure that DSR Factors are off

    Reboot

    Now run the benchmark again without any monitoring programs in the background

    Once you are happy with the score, set texture filtering back to High Quality and re-enable GSYNC / VSYNC
     
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    No worries, I was just making it more difficult than necessary. Below is a quick adjustment to bring down my target of 1873mhz from 1.062v to 1.050v.

    upload_2016-12-1_22-50-34.png
     
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    This is just an example....
    [​IMG]
     
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    ooh u scrubbed off the ihs?! well thats a bummer...and no, not really necessary!

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    My 1080 runs with 0.95 volt. I play BF1 in Ultra with Gsnc. Gpu Temp is Max. 63 C and the Laptop ist very quit.

    Gesendet von meinem SM-G935F mit Tapatalk
     
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    Hi guys! Is there any reason to order the 'silicon lottery winner' from HID? I don't plan to OC the system much if at all I just want it to run stable and relatively cool and quiet. I'm looking at the p870DM3 with single desktop 1080 and the 3k screen (btw any comments on the screen? does it have the same banding issues as aorus/aw17?)

    It just seems a lot of money for something I don't know if I even need...

    Thanks for the help!
     
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    No that's only if you want a garaunteed cpu that will overclock well.
     
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    Ok so thanks everyone and @jointhegame. Thank you for posting pictures!! What I saw with some aida64 was 59C at 1.062 and 56C at 0.975. With stock settings I was only seeing 1.062 max with aida64 but it is probably not utilizing the GPU to its full potential so maybe there is a bigger difference gained while running a different program or game. What is the highest GPU voltage you all have seen while running synthetic tests or gaming at stock settings?
     
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    I am not seeing anything staggering either running around 1v also. Maybe a few C which is better than nothing but not as much as I expected. Mine seemed to target the 1.062v during testing on air at stock clocks.
     
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    Maybe this will change some with additional tests, getting the voltage a little lower and prema mod but it sounds like they already have the voltage almost set to where it needs to be at stock settings.
     
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    When premas vbios is out don't worry it will most likely give you ultimate control. At stock its really not too bad at all I agree considering where the 980m cards ran modded (1.062mv) and had no issues but their clock speed was only 1126mhz and had much less cuda.
     
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    First system I had was a barebone Clevo P870DM-G with a 6700K that couldn't even run stable at 4.2 GHz x4 (on all cores that is). Next system which was a Eurocom Sky X9 also had a 6700K, this time a bit better, it was able to do 4.3 GHz stable.

    I have seen many users here complain about high temps even at stock speeds. The 6700K is a hit or miss, 50-50 chance to get a good one. Even if you don't want to overclock, spending a bit more to get a Silicon Lottery one ensures your CPU will run cooler overclocked or not. Giving you better thermals and longevity since the CPU won't be running hot constantly.
    This Silicon Lottery CPU I got (rated to run @4.8GHz in a desktop) can run @ 4.7 GHz not very stable pr 4.6 GHz stable all day long with max temps of 85C no matter what I throw at it.
     
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    Very cool. The processor I ended up getting will run 4.4 stable but have not tried to go any higher yet. 4.4 GHz with temperatures in the upper 70's. Did you have to increase the Voltage at 4.5 or were you still able to lower the voltage a little at 4.5 GHz.
     
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    Usually most chips start needing a bit more beyond 4.4Ghz.
     
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    Guess I got lucky then! I run 4.5GHz (x4) stable at -50mV adaptive all day, even while playing BF1
     
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    yeah it's not a MUST to have a Silicon Lottery CPU to achieve that. If you were lucky, you would get a normal 6700K that's as good as a Silicon Lottery one, just a matter of luck. Also delidding helps a lot.

    Remember, Silicon Lottery CPUs are still the same 6700K CPUs but cherry picked to select the ones with the best silicon wafer which produces less heat and thus, have the ability to run either cooler at stock or obviously, overclock higher since heat is the number one enemy for overclocking.
     
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    I will give this a try tonight or this weekend and see I was as lucky. Already feel lucky though at 4.4 -50mV as well!!
     
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    It is very nice to be able to get that kind of performance out of a laptop. I was having issues reaching high clocks with desktop 4770k (Delid) and other desktop 5820k. Even with a good water cooling system and temperatures never going over 65 degrees was still unstable at higher overclocks. Guess I just did not get lucky with those.
     
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    My brother struggles to clock his 6700K with his AIO desktop so he is really eyeing up the next gen ones.
     
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    I see.. so even without the intention of OC I should order the delidded lotery winner to have really good temps?

    And about the 3k screen? Is it any good?
     
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