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Bruh, it sounds like I want some of that paste...

The fan profile will be part of the Prema mod (BIOS and EC).

 

I know most of you all are on the Prema bios but just wanted to update in case anyone was waiting on the Sager bios for the 7700K. I spoke with Allen and he said it will be a few more days.

 

Wouldn't the "rated" 200W/mK only be accurate after the curing process of 200-250*C over 1.5 hours? It says the higher thermal conductivity is due to "excellent heat conduction path by intermetalic bond between Ag (silver nano) particles". If it's not cured (silver nano particles sintered/melted?) I would think the thermal conductivity would be less due to nano air gaps, but I'm no materials engineer so just a guess

EDIT: Due to it being seemingly mostly tiny silver particles I would guess it's possible that it could still beat "conventional" pastes... If it's "free" for you to try definitely worth an attempt, I'd just start with a good base value with a known paste at low clocks and get your temps. And then try a low clock speed with the Ag Nano paste and see if it does better/worse and closely monitor temps so you can quickly stop it if it starts to overheat too much/quickly

 

Actually, I'd start with high clocks. A known, repeatable-but-not-throttling point. Let's say 4.2GHz TSBench 1024M with max fans produces... 85-87c max temps with Liquid Ultra between IHS and CPU die (known good contact), assuming no delid. Then you remove CLU and apply the nano paste, and see if it grants you... 75c. If that works, then maybe you could try a delid with nano paste and nano paste between IHS and Heatsink and see if you get... 63c. Then you could probably see if you have 4.9GHz benchable without A/C and without overheating, etc.

Pretty sure if it proves successful, @Mr. Fox and @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER will probably rather quickly acquire some =D

 

Eurocom says it has been delayed until late January.

 

My thoughts as well, except I'd be concerned that without curing the "nano particles" could migrate from the edges of pressure contact, and since they are conductive - even if not reactive - they could still pose a shorting risk to the rest of the laptop - so definately use the thermal tape "dam" method to stop paste migration.

 

Yea I guess the CPU would auto-throttle if reaching "critical" 100*C temps to try and save itself, right?

 

Thanks for the update! I can't wait to try it out.


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Next Tuesday!?! I have to wait until Feb. 1st

 

Yesh. Gotta make a baseline though, where the cooler is clearly being stressed.

 

Maybe mixing in some of the nano particles paste with Liquid Metal It is possible to try and not much can go wrong

 

It's "Mad Scientist" time

 

Wish I had access to this material I would test it Yesterday

 

Can anyone please share their stock XTU profile or the BIOS power limits PL1 and PL2? I made the mistake of using XTU instead of ThrottleStop to undervolt and now the damn thing messed up my BIOS settings. The core clock speed doesn't cross 3GHz now . I tried a NVRAM reset with Fn + D + Power but that doesn't seem to work. I am on BIOS 1.05.02 EC 1.05.04. Thank you in advance !

 

pull bios battery out and do a power cycle before attempting a 2nd nvram reset

 

Hello Guys,

Have had a lot of memory problems (GSkill 3000) lately.
Bluescreen.Bluescreen.
After repeated configuration changes, this has not occurred any more.
The connection of CCC with the BIOS has not been programmed properly.
Should one have similar problems here - I can only guess,
The BlueScreenView tool.
This allows you to read the mini-dump files generated by a Bluescreen.
Most should not have the problems with the GSKill 3000 - if they have a Prema BIOS flashed. Or?
I have read with the BluescreenView the minidump file and can recognize, which of the memory problems has prepared.

And as Mr. Fox has said right now - a custom attitude should lead to success. That has it with me but not.
CCC again uninstall and test the configuration several times.
After that it runs again.

As I said - BlueScreenView is a good tool to read Bluescreen.

 

You can order nano carbon tubes over Ebay.
And then you can mix it with Liquid Metal.
I don´t know if it is the same effect?

I have ordered these nanocarbon tubes and applied them to heat-sensitive film - sheathed on both sides and fixed on the heatsinks.
There the nanocarbon tubes do not have a positive effect.
Therefore it would be worth a try to mix the nanocarbon tubes with a liquid metal paste and distribute directly on the IHS.

 

My laptop had randomly started BSODing as well. I couldn't even install windows. What's more interesting is, it passed memtest86 six times for 10 hours without any errors.

To make matters even more interesting, I traded a friend my 16GB(2x8GB HyperX 2400Mhz) ram for his 8GB (Kingston OEM DDR4 2400Mhz) and my computer is fully stable but his (P870DM) is ALSO stable with MY ram that was causing BSODs.

Even with my ram (single sticks) it still had BSODs.

@Prema @Mr. Fox @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER all tried helping me for a week and we couldn't figure out why exactly it happened.

I was planning on buying the G.SKILL 3000Mhz 32GB(2x16GB) sticks but it seems like even they have their set of issues.

All these newer DM2/3 models seem less stable memory wise than the original DM models.

 

The tubes would likely need to be aligned for performance and science is still trying to figure out how to do that on a large and cost effective scale.

 

Just a head's up...HIDevolution.com now only offers HIDevolution delidded Intel i7 and i5 "Kaby Lake" K CPUs, and Silicon Lottery binned and delidded Intel® Core™ i7-7700K CPUs, on the EVOC P870KM1, EVOC P870DM3, EVOC P775DM3-G and EVOC P750DM2-G. Using the Custom Prema BIOS we also under-volt and overclock them to moderate levels, leaving the rest to those of you with the greatest skills and courage.

 

Yes, fields of application and materials have yet to be found which fulfill the purpose.

 

And, that, ladies and gentlemen, is how things are supposed to be! Thanks for the update, Brother Donald. Ir's awesome when at least a few things can be right with the world we live in.

 

Call me clinical but i never trust these fancy method of doing NVRAM rest. The only way i do it is as follows:
1. Remove power adapter
2.Remove battery.
3 Remove CMOS battery.
4.Press and hold the power button for 30 seconds (or more like 3 minutes IRL).
5....
6. Profit.

Sometimes I miss the good old jumper settings I used to do in the desktops.

 

LOL. I feel bad for you bruh @pathfindercod

 

Here the first EVOC customer to reply to this, can have my own premamod upgrade spot if it's at least a week better than what you are having right now:

@Ted@HIDevolution , @Donald@HIDevolution , @Zoltan@HIDevolution @thattechgirl_viv

 

I'll take it,







but I don't have a DM3.

 

Looks like HID has to send you a stock BIOS DM3 first so they can flash it. That's how it works, right?

 

HAHA, I have already gotten the update.

 

it always works bro, FN + D + Power for 5 seconds then keep holding FN + D without the power until the NVRAM happens. No need to waste your time unscrewing 10s of screws.

 

If its worth doing, its worth overdoing.

 

enjoy

 

Yeah, no special treatment for me...

 

If you need any help, i know a guy called Prema who makes some awesome bios mods. I can refer you to him.

 

Today I've spoken with a friend of mine that came up with this idea and is working with these materials for quite a long time. He said that even when the paste is not cured he's confident the thermal conductivity won't be less than 150 W/mK - that is still approximately 4 times higher than CLU.

The paste gets harder with higher temperature, so I doubt it'll 'run' under pressure, but adding some thermal tape won't hurt anyways We'll be using it as thin as it gets in terms of layering. We might try it on something else first and see.

We might try it, as well. It will depend on the amount of material that will be available.

That's right!


EDIT: Oh! I almost forgot... I already received Prema BIOS upgrade from Eurocom few hours ago (I ordered it just yesterday). So I'd like to thank Eurocom for excellent service and @Prema for his amazing BIOS mod
I just took a brief look at all new possibilities, but could anyone please quickly tell me where to look for keyboard color control (if there is any), because my keyboard has some issue with lights on the left side - when whole keyboard is set to white, that part is sort of yellow-ish and looks ridiculous.
Also, which setting will prohibit XTU or any other software from messing with fan speeds? I tried to switch Custom Fan Control option, but it only disabled Custom option within CCC. In games, I'm still getting constant fan speed from approximately 60-65°C on automatic profile leading to overheating. I believe that this behavior is not how it's supposed to be. Other than that the fan curve is nice and smooth, far better than original

 

I got mine the day after it came out, get on my level noob

 

Nice gesture, hopefully a lucky EVOC member will jump on it soon! I'm already "on the books" for the 19th

 

Hey guys. I just got my new machine and it's a beast; but I've run into one small hiccup that is just an annoyance.

When I reboot the computer, the keyboard takes a while to start responding after Windows finishes loading. This doesn't occur when coming out of sleep though.

I haven't bothered to take the time to troubleshoot it yet since I only get a limited amount of time to mess with it right now and I'd prefer to spend it gaming

Just wondering if anyone else has run into this.

 

mine and a few others have the same issue, takes a while for the keyboard to respond only in Windows, because if you try to hit F2 while its booting, you do enter BIOS so the keys are working fine. I don't know what's up with this man.

I initially blamed it on the Prema BIOS but then we came to a conclusion that there is nothing on the BIOS level that can contribute to this delay/lag

does your system have the stock Sager BIOS or the Prema BIOS?

 

I don't have this problem, and I could be completely wrong about this, but maybe disable fast boot in the bios? Because doesn't fast boot load windows with a minimal set of drivers, and maybe that is somehow affecting the keyboard? Otherwise, if this is annoying you because you are stuck at the windows login screen longer than you'd like, set up the fingerprint scanner. You can just hold your finger on the scanner and it will boot so fast it will skip the login screen and go directly to desktop.

 

I have the same problem since the prema flash. I have fast boot disabled so that's not the problem.

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Thanks for the responses guys.

I'm using the stock BIOS still and I have Windows Hello enabled to use the fingerprint scanner. The issue really comes up with not being able to use a web browser, aside from bookmarked sites, for the first 2 minutes roughly.

I haven't dug into the BIOS or anything yet but I have a feeling this is similar to the issue that used to happen with Windows 7. I had a fix for it years ago but haven't run into again since.

 

ohhhh so it's in the stock BIOS as well! what an annoying bug

what I noticed when I have the lag after a reboot, if you press the WINDOW key on the keyboard then try to type, the keyboard works right away

@Prema

 

I'll give that a shot tonight. Thanks for the idea.

I may have to also check my application load order to make sure it's not something being a pig and being processed before the keyboard driver is loaded.

 

happens even on a fresh format bro, it's an EC Firmware bug

 

I can type my login name right away...

 

Crud. Has anyone been picking at it to find a cause or resolution as far as you know? It's not the end of the world by any means but it is annoying.

 

@infex and @TBoneSan also have this issue

 

Hoping to have a sample from @Eurocom Support by this weekend if all goes as planned. Will do a review with more photos, specs, etc. as soon as I get it. I think that you can pre-order one from Eurocom or HIDevolution now.

 

Me, too. I have not seen this bug on my system.

@Phoenix does it happen with a USB keyboard as well, or only the integrated keyboard?