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4.8GHz is a big ask from an 8 core.

 

No, but, besides P870DM3-G, is this reachable in anything? Like any setup at all? I never seen it reachable with temps of about 70C, like a typical 8700K has at those speeds, this is why I'm asking.

 

It can be achieved but even on desktops you are starting to look at delidding (difficult but possible) and sanding down the die a bit as you start asking more from it.

 

I see...

No, I was curious what can be done by someone who just installs in, straps some Corsair H55, and then runs it.

 

See the reviewers results. That's basically what they do.

 

Yes, and so far, they failed to keep it within temps, most are ~90 at the same speeds as an 8700K, as far as I can see

 

That is true @Meaker@Sager

 

I do not fully understand, you have it at 5.0 GHz, but what are your temps at this speed...?

 

There is nothing to get. You will not be able to run this cpu at 5.0 ghz (8C/16T) in your laptop just sitting at your desk. Best you can hope for is 4.7 or maybe 4.8 under the 97C Temp max.

Going by their view on it...expect 3.6 as the highlight of your day under load.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...D-Clevo-P775TM1-G-Laptop-Review.350636.0.html

 

You'll still get better performance than a hex core in properly multithreaded apps. However games have never favored cores over frequency.

 

Here is something you can expect. This is based on a more presentable auto fans using John's fan control software.
4.7 ghz Not trying for optimal or world records. Just a sitting on top of a desk using a fully closed P870TM1. 75F Room temp.

 

Which is pretty damn impressive rolling back 200mhz but having 33% more cores going at it.

 

@Meaker@Sager
That is not rolling anything back. That is at it's factory clock settings. 50,50,49,48,48,47,47,47

This one is at 50,50,49,48,48,48,48,48.

Which is weird because last week temps were a bit higher.

 

Rolling back over the 8086k/8700k comfortable 24/7 settings.

 

But I never said anything about an 8086K nor a 8700K, so you have me at a loss.

 

He is just generally comparing the 9900K with the previous 8086K/8700K, saying it's impressive that they managed to add 33% more cores while only slowing them all down by 200 MHZ.

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Indeed it was me who brought up the 8700K/8086k comparison.

 

Can you point out this 200 Mhz that I seem to be missing? Thanks.

 

From what I understand Meaker to be saying, the 8700K/8086K should usually run about 5 GHz 24/7, while the 9900K looks to be running around 4.8 GHz 24/7, hence the 9900K rolling back 200 MHz (from 5 GHZ on the 8***K) with more cores.

 

First thing this morning when the heatsinks were cold and 20C ambient I ran Cinebench r15 at 4.9 (-60mV) all core without any throttling - including thermal, just - for 2080cb.

On a second run the niggling "edp other" throttle started, must be a current limit of some sort related to heat. Throttlestop was reporting about 48.6 average multipler by the end. Still exact same result of 2080 ??!

 

Not really sure where that is suppose to be an actual fact, but i'm pretty sure it's not. No 70 to 100 percent of owners are running an 8700K/8086K at 5.0 ghz on 6C/12T 24/7. This seems to be a forum thing and not a real world one.

 

People are going to have variance on the 9900k too.

 

I'm running 8700K at 4.8 GHz 24/7, this is why I am curious what 9900K can be ran at.

 

Less, but with more Cores.

 

The 9900K can be ran at 4.7 to 4.8 as a daily driver on a "reasonable" cpu fan setting, but if you are one of those that thinks they are going to be redlining it and trying to run full throttle at every turn....You will end up with a lot of throttling, but still faster than a 8700K/8086K when doing anything that requires more than 12 cores. Single up to 12..... That is a different another story....This can go in a variety of directions at this point.

To be perfectly honest, you are fine with what you have. And that sir is the honest truth.

 

If I can hold 4.5-4.7 on the 8700k ill be content. Hell my 6700k in my sig runs that, though it's watercooled...

 

Good to know... Need to balance this a bit.

Well, I've been doing tons of 4K Video Rendering on CPU, and I could use anything I could get... This is why I insist on asking

Of course, I would never complain about what I have already, really happy with my PC`

Why can't you?

With typical Water Cooling, without anything too fancy, 8700K should be at 4.6GHz and below 80C temps in Cinebench R15 or video rendering, as long as you also do some -AVX so you don't go nuts with that

 

I am referring to the Clevo P870TM1 I will be purchasing.

 

Well, this should be interesting....If you are rendering using Adobe.... Graphs start around 5:45.

 

You should always investigate your application for professional apps and this highlights it well.

 

Can you share how u got the new cpu to work in ur laptop? I got a p870km1 with 7700k and i want to upgrade to 8700k but i have not yet seen any official bios or instructions on how to do this upgrade. I know is doable cause i have seen people with older models rocking 8700k (km1,dm2,dm3)

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...kylake-kabylake-clevo-lga1151-laptops.821694/
for 8th gen CPUs

9th gen upgrades have a different thread linking to the 9th gen BIOSes but basically the same process
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-p7xxdm-x-p870dm-x-km-n95xkp6-laptops.825558/
see my couple of posts in that thread but basically, I just followed the OP and it worked without any problems
YMMV </disclaimer>

 

Anyone looking to upgrade their DM3 to a TM1 and 9900K, I see this kit available.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123532129211

You could probably recover most (if not all) of the cost parting out the DM3 leftovers on eBay.

 

So ... this is saying the new GPUs won't work on DM/KM models?

and they will be drop in upgrades into the TM1 chassis?

Is this I wonder coming from someone with access to internal information?

 

I am not sure if that is what it means. It may be referring to the DM-G since it is different and the GPUs do not fit. I suspect the next generation Clevo MXM cards will be the same form factor as 10 series, but that's just a guess on my part.

 

“And possibly the latest Nvidia cards soon to be released” doesn’t sound like they really know anything. Besides, look at the seller. Upgradeyourlaptop aka Eurocom doesn’t exactly have the best track record when it comes to the speculative things they say. The cynical part of me thinks this offer just trying to take advantage of the DM3/KM1 owners who don’t know about the BIOS and tape mods.

 

While those cross-flashed BIOS mods work fine for the CPU, they're not exactly right in every respect. The audio output is kind of jacked up, for example. And, you have to make do with a CPU heat sink (on DM and KM) that is barely good enough for 7700K. I could see some people actually preferring to have the newer parts and firmware designed to support the 9900K without having to do things like the tape mod. If I were still interested in laptops, I'd probably go with a kit like this and sell the leftover parts to help offset the cost of the kit.

 

Hello guys, I have laptop clevo p870dm2-g with Nvidia 180, my video card broke down. I want upgrade to p870tm, my question : is it worth it ? Or upgrade to p870km ? And question about video card, what do you think , wait for release 2080 or buy 1080(sli)

 

Having a faster single card (than one from an SLI setup) is usually a better option.

 

And upgrade to p870km or tm ?

 

For what purpose?

If its because your motherboard is broken, you can opt for a TM motherboard upgrade but you'll need a new 8 or 9th gen CPU as well

If its for 8 or 9 series CPU upgrade, neither is strictly necessary (I have upgraded my DM3 to 9900K with the modded bios and the masked cpu pads only), but an upgrade to the TM motherboard will support the better TM CPU heatsink so you'll be able to wring a bit more performance out of the high end, 8700K/8086K/9900K.

KM is not much different to what you have either way, it was just an iteration of DM3 with a simpler heatsink (no bridge section) and 7th gen kaby lake cpu support

 

Not for gaming.

 

Recently had to install a fresh copy of Win 10 Pro on my P870DM3 but I can't find any version of the foul Clevo Control Center to properly install the Flexikey (keyboard/lid) portion of the software.

Anyone know of a version that works with the latest version of Win 10?

 

Have you tried our website?

 

Have you done any research for Obisdian-PC's Update Driver, Keyboard LED, and fan table tools? http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-drivers-update-utility-by-obsidian-pc.801464/

It has a small fee, but is a rather helpful set of tools for the Clevo owner.

 

Yes absolutely better than the stock Clevo stuff but the only thing it doesn't control on the DM3 is lid LED

 

Yes, I tried the Obsidian SW but it only works for the KB, otherwise I would buy the suite and be happy

Finally got 5.0001.1.17 (who @ Clevo/Insyde comes up w/these long #'s?) to work. I seriously tried over a dozen and kept getting .NET Framework errors preventing the suite from running. Anyone know why out of curiosity?

 

Depends on the error you are getting.

 

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