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The new display, according to HIDEvolution, is rated at 5ms. It should be a massive improvement.

Also, I just got an open source CNC shipped to my place. Though its original intention was another matter, wonder what else I should make with it...

 

Nice to see that this machine still support Windows 7

It's a 99% Adobe RGB and sRGB panel, of course the panel is very vibrant.

 

Guys quick question please. XMG only have 32GB 2400mhz Hyper X ram or 64GB 2100 MHz.

Which would you go for?

 

Even 32GB is overkill, but I'd go for the faster ram.

 

And buy your own ram

 

Kaby and upwards will only be supported by WinX though

 

Rip

 

I don't believe MS will hold on to that threat, just like the others that have gone "poof" as time went by.

MS just reversed it's limited support stance for Win7/8.1 on Skylake:

First...in March, backtracking from Jan threat:

Microsoft extends Skylake support for Windows 7 and 8.x devices until 2018
http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-extends-skylake-support-windows-7-8-x-devices-2018

Most recent...completely reverses, supports Skylake through complete Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 life-cycle:

Microsoft reverses course, extends Windows 7 and 8.1 support for Skylake-based hardware
http://www.winbeta.org/news/microso...-windows-7-8-1-support-skylake-based-hardware

There are too many people that need Windows 7/8.1 on new hardware - to stop them from purchasing new hardware is ludicrous.

 

Don't start on M$/WinBlows XXX or @Mr. Fox Is gonna give it to you like he did with 4K

 

Vulkan > DX12
Because it works on W7

 

Do you guys think Kaby Lake will make an appearance in a refresh batch early next year? Or Clevo will skip straight to Cannonlake the same way they did from ZM (Haswell) to DM (Skylake), bypassing Broadwell entirely?

 

DX11 ain't bad either, and it's everywhere

Maybe we will see DX12 on Windows 7 / 8.1, when MS's sales of DX12 titles in UWP and Windows 10 continues to tank.

 

I won't buy UWP game, even if it comes to W7 with full DX12 support

 

That's the point, steam DX12 on all platforms, not UWP, just DX12.

 

Get your own RAM, much cheaper..

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A store in Portugal has the new series for sale:

P800: http://www.inphtech.pt/computadores/extreme-gaming-dm/
P700: http://www.inphtech.pt/computadores/gaming-dm2/
P600: http://www.inphtech.pt/computadores/creative-r/

 

Very interesting...

So the 1070 used in laptops has more CUDA cores than the desktop 1070...

I'm really interested now to see 1070 SLI laptop benches.



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Powered by: Octa Core Exynos + 6820HK

 

So guys I am now torn between the GT73VR and P870DM3 , I will be using either 1070 SLI or 1080 Single.
I do like the idea of the 6700K CPU but I am afraid MSI has a better cooling option in the cooler boost titan new fans and pipes.
Also the speakers/subwoofer seems to be better on MSI
I am still checking the output ports if they are both the same
any suggestions to help me choose
thanks so much for your support.
P.S I am an old Modder/OC'er (Since 6600 CPU Era ) I had a desktop with customer watercooling but my work now requires me to travel alot so I must use a Laptop for my gaming.
I had a MSI GT70 20D with 780M for the last 3 years, and even tho I appreciate OCing and I will most probably OC my laptop I do want something that works perfectly out of the box.
Thanks again for helping me choose

 

First off, there's no evidence that Kaby Lake is actually going to be relevant or better than Skylake. Believe that when you see it, and not until then. Haswell was supposed to be "all that" and it turned out to be mostly a piece of crap. Likewise, Intel SpeedShift technology is a stupid gimmick from an enthusiast perspective. It provides zero performance enhancement for overclockers.

Second, Micro$lop needs to prove it actually matters and define what "supported" really means. Does that mean no irrelevant SpeedShift crap? That's already true, but it doesn't matter. Are they going to sue OEMs and Intel for providing driver support for Kaby Lake for any OS except Windows 10? Who knows what it means, or if their statements are even accurate. Using scare tactics to deceive people into drinking the Windoze OS X Kool-Aid is an over-used approach for the professional liars from Redmond. Micro$loth will compulsively say and do anything at this point to try to suck people in, and stooping to deception and distortion is par for the course. Be smart... believe only what you see, not what they say.

A perfect case in point illustrating their manipulation and lies is DX12... so far, an irrelevant gimmick when looking at the big picture, but OMG... was it ever hyped up and the subject of endless speculation by talking head gamer-boys in forums everywhere. It still talked about with admiration by the Kool-Aid drinkers even though it's still pretty much irrelevant technology.

 

You and me sir, are in the same boat. I'm leaning towards the MSI hense the better cooling. Man those fans are huge!

All the screen talk, 4k g-sync 60hz vs 1080p 120hz (with or without g-sync)...
How about the 1440p 120hz G sync panel? Should be the best of both worlds?

 

Proof? Are we looking at photos, or actual results? How does the BGA turd CPU at its stunted max OC compare to a delidded 6700K with CLU at 4.7GHz in wPrime 1024M? Would be nice to have something meaningful to support that belief. If you're an old Modder/OC'er the stunted performance on the inferior BGA product alone should be a compelling point to consider, unless that no longer interests you at this point in your life.

 

This is my thoughts from the pictures I saw of the heat pipes, If you believe otherwise you can inform me I have absolutely no experience with Clevo laptops. Also I will probably not delidd my CPU.
What do you think of the cooling and build quality of the Clevo 870DM3 vs GT73 on MSI , Btw I live in Egypt (Currently staying in south africa) so the idea of buying parts every while and upgrading or modding is difficult for me as parts are impossible to find and shipping /taxes charges are usually too high (more than the price of the items).
Also I am 26 Years old I just started early but I play every day mostly dota 2 and Wow so having down time to fix/mod or stabilize my OC is usually not fun with my current interests.
What is your advice with your experience in the scene

 

I dont think there is a 1440P 120hz panel unless you are speaking of an external monitor

 

Someone mentioned running their 4k internal display at 1440p (or whatever res is close I guess), instead of 1080p, they said it was better visually and performance was a balance between 1080p / 4k.

 

Cooling on the P870 platform is outstanding. In fact, the best I have ever seen, and I've been involved with laptop overclocking for a long time.

We have seen a few examples of defective Clevo heat sinks that needed to be replaced under warranty, but the design is superior. I run my 6700K at 4.7GHz all day with good temps and did the same with the Sky X9 before this machine. If you're in an uncooled environment (hot ambient temps) overclocking is going to be a challenge with any laptop that uses air cooling. If you plan to overclock when the environment facilitates it, a BGA CPU is going to present you with an overall lackluster experience, unless you are talking about very casual/moderate overclocking.

If your passion is primarily playing DOTA2 and WoW, there is no need to overclock and anything that runs 4 cores and 8 threads at 3.5 to 4.0GHz with temps below 80°C will likely be plenty adequate to get the job done. My main purpose for responding was your comments about being an OC'er and I felt it was important to warn you about the fallacy of expecting to be able to do any kind of meaningful overclocking with a stunted BGA CPU and a cooling system designed to manage such a CPU at stock clock speeds. There are no true enthusiast CPUs with full performance potential on a BGA package, and the silicon lottery leaves you with a disposable motherboard if you draw a short straw. Again, not a big deal for people that play games and are not really serious about CPU overclocking... but, it's a deal breaker for those that are.

 

So If I get the MSI can I just OC the 6820 to 4GhZ for 24/7 and keep it at that or should I still go for clevo

 

Can you get that person to see if the screen can be over clocked to say.....75 hz to 100 hz at 1440p?
I can run my 120 hz screen at 1440p, but it's slightly blurry, but running games at the res look pretty darn good.

 

Back to samsung ram chips

 

I ordered the same ones. Should be here today.

 

The 45w CPU's that will run 4.0ghz OC'd can be used as a daily use setting. I ran my Haswell and Broadwell CPU's that way for years.

The 95w CPU's will hold the OC under sustained load, but the 45w will power throttle after the 8-28 second delay, down to 3.5ghz sustained if you have the thermals under control.

If you want the highest speed sustained on a 45w CPU, start it at the best sustained ghz setting, that way you can undervolt more.

I was able to get 24/7 batch jobs running at 3.6ghz with -120mV undervolt stable, operating right under the 47w limit. (Haswell, Broadwell).

For gaming / application, non-benchmark use, the 45w CPU is enough to drive the GPU/GPU's in SLI to full potential.

If you need CPU power sustained for long jobs, or benchmarking is your primary use, then the 95w CPU is the one to get.

 

One simple change would fix that, but they wont do it. The amps need to be say 5 or so amps higher and the 4.0 over clock would hold indefinitely and with lower temps.
And you will never actually be able to drive the gpus at full potential. You need to be at at least 4.0 ghz all the time. As a minimum....

 

From MrFoxRox2:

Spoiler: EUROCOM Sky X9E2

 

remember that the msi is a lot more expensive than a clevo with same gpu config, and you have the freedom to buy a barebones model clevo (or minimal storage/ram) to add your own down the road


msi loads up ram and ssd into their machines which drives the costs way up, not mentioning the windows 10 oem license


you can get a w10 key on reddit relatively inexpensively







And @hmscott - doesn't the 6820HK have unlocked turbo power limit and cpu current limit?

 

You could definitely do that, but it'll just draw the same power assuming frequency/voltage is the same.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53447/aorus-x7-v6-laptop-gtx-1070-1440p-120hz-display/index.html

There it is. 1440p 120hz laptop, gsync?

 

Just need a model number on that panel and then we can see if it will fit in the P870-anything series....

 

The BGA GPU @ 4.0ghz runs games just fine. A few FPS won't make a difference. In comparison benchmarks, videos with many games benchmarked, the 6700k made no practical difference in games that rely on GPU, which is most of them.

At 1080p under higher FPS CPU is hit hardest, moving to 1440p or 4k and the CPU is under less load while the GPU's take up the load.

You don't game @johnksss - you benchmark, in that case you want / need the highest performance CPU, that's a small percentage of the people looking to purchase a new Pascal laptop.

 

These laptops arent just purchased by gamers and/or people who only benchmark. A big chunk of the user base are Graphics and Visual Effects Professionals. My work place has 8 P870DM-G that go out for on set / live action shoots.
And these types of uses require serious amounts of CPU processing power.

 

It will have a 1080 also and possibly 120hz 4k rumored.

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So to sum things how big is the difference between stock 6820 and 6700 and can the 6820 run at 4ghz with no side effects or life time decay or not.
Btw the Clevo and MSI with Single 1080 are more or less the same price considering the clevo has 2 x 1b hd vs 1tb and bluray on msi and also w10 on msi

 

With the Haswell/Broadwell CPU's you are limited to a timeout just the same, you can't force it to draw more than 45w long term .

It looks like Skylake 6820HK and 6920HQ have no power limits according to @D2 Ultima and @Q937 - found some threads supporting this, so why do we need the 6700k??

The "parting out" of expensive laptops isn't always a good idea. When you buy a functioning laptop with all the parts needed to run, you have a warranty on a working laptop.

When you buy a laptop without a CPU, memory, storage, OS, you are buying a kit whose warranty is not on the system, it's on the base components.

You are responsible for debugging the laptop to find out if it's *your* addon's or the vendor's base package. Good luck with that

Usually there is are a few variant models, a low end configuration with minimal RAM, storage, etc, but you need to be careful, some of those low end configurations drop the highend IO support, like missing PCIE slot(s) when PCIE SSD's don't come with the original configuration.

Most gaming laptop buyers don't want to buy a DIY kit, they want a running out of the box laptop they can start using right away.

They don't want to install a CPU, paste/shims/pads, RAM, storage, and then put it all back together again - with several missing or extra fasteners

There is nothing wrong with buying a fully built laptop, with full warranty support, an OS and everything tested and running.

Yup, it's up to the cooling system to keep things running at full power.

 

Indeed. But is the 1440p 120hz pref g-sync the golden choice between a 1080p and a 4k monitor?
My heart is close to 1080p still because of the screen size 17,3". 4K is no way a option for me!

 

The cpu is the heart of the system, you want that heart to be strong. If you have a heart attack after a 28 second sprint you fall out of the race and must take time to recover before you can sprint again.

Buy a good heart.


Note: hmscott is being technically transparent I am just painting the picture.
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So guys, one question about p870dm2..
So we can upgrade in the nearest future with 1080sli? Or just the dm3 can do that?

 

Yes if you can source the cards and heatsink...

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According the information on this forum, the DM2 and DM3 are the same but if you ever want to upgrade to 1080 SLI, you must buy the card, SLI cable and the new heatsink...possibly a new cover as well. Which adds up a lot.

 

A configuration that supports SLI, but allows you to purchase with one 1080 to start, allowing the option to add a second 1080 later, without all the hassle of sourcing the rest of the hardware, seems like a good idea to offer.

The pricing for a full boat 1080 SLI is going to put off a lot of potential clients, offering a 2 stage implementation and purchase makes a lot of sense.

 

That's what I initially was looking for but no one wants to sell a DM3 with a single 1080 at this point. I assume later on, such models will be offered.

 

reseller would have to supply you the parts if you cannot source it somewhere else

 

So, it seems the 120Hz panel will be G-SYNC Certified soon (or is expected to be before the end of the year). I recommend a single 1080 with that, if you can't afford 1080 SLI.