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My guess is you're probably wanting a response from someone who's actually tried it...

In any case, here's what nVidia has posted - "Dynamic Super Resolution renders a game at a higher, more detailed resolution and intelligently shrinks the result back down to the resolution of your monitor, giving you 4K-quality graphics on an HD screen."

It says 'game' and not desktop. My guess is the driver is hooking in at the OS level to do something different when it sees the start of a process that registers for 3D or has been configure to use DSR. It probably tricks the game into outputting 4K resolution and then does a downscaling at the driver level.

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OK, definitely seems it is for games and 3D apps, and works kind of how I described, the game thinks it is in higher resolution and the driver/card downscales on the way out. If you have a couple of minutes, the 2 minute video here explains - http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology

 

They would be in seriously trouble under Australian Consumer Law and Trade Practices Act if that were a "prank"

 

4K 120HZ

dafuq?

 

not possible.

120hz is for the 1080P and 4K gets 60 hz I think

 

look at the website yourself

http://www.metabox.com.au/store/b191/Metabox-Prime-P870DM2-G-Laptop

 

They did say "Coming Soon" and with a price tag attached. May be we should call them to ask nicely @Stooj ?

 

thanks a lot! I was really looking for this!

the problem when having 4K and 120Hz would be theoretical bandwidth and the display controller that sends data.

We need a much faster controller and a larger data bandwidth to be able to pump 4K in 120Hz. I made a calculus earlier about this, I think, but it would require a very high data rate with a very very low latency to work.

At any rate, it would be sweet if they made it, but so far, I don't think there are any desktop 4K at 120Hz yet, so it might be improbable.

 

Though, I'll be honest, if they do make a 4K 120Hz display, I'm all in for getting it!

 

The 4k 120hz is a typo

 

Ahhh, but there is one now, $5k, (shipping soon?).

Dell surprises with its new 30-inch 4K 120Hz OLED display
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52937/dell-surprises-new-30-inch-4k-120hz-oled-display/index.html

"Dell's new UltraSharp UP3017Q is a 30-inch OLED display with a huge 120Hz refresh rate, making it the first 4K 120Hz OLED panel in the world. With a 30-inch panel and 3840x2160 native resolution, we have a pixel density of 146PPI, with a super-low 0.1ms response time. This means it can be used not only as a professional screen, but high-end enthusiast gamers will have wet dreams over Dell's UltraSharp UP3017Q.

The UltraSharp UP3017Q can reproduce 1.07 billion colors, with a color gamut of 100% Adobe RGB and 97.8% DCI-P3, with a 400,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. Dell has included USB Type-C, HDMI 2.0 and miniDP 1.2 ports for display connectivity. Now that we have established how much of a beast Dell's new UltraSharp UP3017Q is, we need to know the price, right? Dell has slapped a rather large $4999 price on it - which is expected from a super-fast, 4K-capable OLED display with a 120Hz refresh rate."

 

We have no knowledge of a 120Hz 4K screen for any Clevo or Sager laptop. What the future holds....well...hopefully

 

nice

 

That's awesome, it's coming soon, but still, wow:

17.3" QFHD ( 4K) 3840 x 2160 IPS WVA Matte 60Hz LED with G-Sync $495.00

17.3" QFHD ( 4K) 3840 x 2160 IPS WVA Matte 120Hz LED with G-Sync (Coming Soon) $595.00

 

It seems that

I can almost guarantee this is not true right now.
Look at all other resellers. If there were news of this more then one site would be talking about it.
Also no offense but look at the source.

 

Don't start bashing the only Clevo reseller in Australia now . I just sent them an email asking specifically about the 4K 120Hz option. Will post their reply on here once received.

 

Please see if you can find out the make / model details...and post here

 

The 4K screen that I installed on the Eurocom Sky X9 and all of the 4K 60Hz screens sold on the P870DM-G are G-SYNC. Unless they changed to a different screen this should still be the case... business as usual at 60Hz.

Don't know about the 4K 120Hz screen. I thought I remember reading posts from @Meaker@Sager and/or @Prema (maybe both in fact) that there is a bandwidth limitation for eDP to manage 120Hz at 4K.

 

We all know it's a typo Just having some fun with it...

 

I agree! Isn't AUO based there?

When has that ever stopped the market from pushing an unusable product on numbers and spec alone?

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True... pie in the sky is sometimes a hot commodity. Only time will tell... don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes, and don't count chicks before the eggs have hatched.

 

Please do! Figured that if I do upgrade to 4K, it must be superior to my current panel in some-way or it won't really be worth it. If you can, could you try to get them to give you the panel model and serial number so we can view the specifications ourselves? Any mass produced panel tends to appear on http://www.panelook.com/ where we can potentially find it.

 

Until getting ready to ship or test samples shipped, it doesn't wind up there usually. I actually heard about a couple panels in rumors before they appeared on there...

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eDP1.4b has the same bandwidth support as full DP1.4 (so 4K@120hz works).

Paradetech already has had an eDP 1.4b controller for a while now:
http://www.paradetech.com/products/displayport-lcd-timing-controller-products/dp691/

Worth noting, the bandwidth/res on that spec sheet doesn't take into account HBR3 which is quite recent. It's a PSR2 TCON as well which is a requirement for G-Sync/Adaptive-Sync.

 

Wanna see Clevo doing another W110ER with GTX 1060 and 6820HK..

 

Finish one Dark Souls game with me in Teamspeak and you'll retract this statement xD

I'm pretty sure @moviemarketing is still waiting on next gen xD

As far as I know, not right now. But they will be certified in the future, as I've been told they're meant to be G-sync certified, and I've seen them test 120Hz in videos. They will need a BIOS update which includes the key. I don't know if they'll be selling any Pascal cards without Gsync, actually.

As far as I have been able to tell, enabling DSR allows you to change your resolution. Both in-game and in windows. It's LITERALLY "custom resolution made easy" + smoothing factors.

 

I have decided to get the DM2 with a single 1080 card from Mythlogic. My only problem is I'm still undecided on either a FHD or UHD screen. If someone knows for fact that the 1080p 120hz screen will get GSync (if the chip is present), I will get that and buy a 4K monitor shortly.

 

Here's what.

Go call a rebrander like HIDevolution. Ask them "will the 120Hz panel get Gsync in the future?" and learn the answer. Then make purchase. Your purchase will not be the 4K screen.

 

Read this post:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...p-edition-laptop.791382/page-43#post-10317319

Apparently, everything is present that needs to be except for the Green Goblin processing the ransom payment and finding time to add the new models of FHD and UHD 120Hz panels to their whitelist of processed ransom fees. Same scenario played out with 4K G-STINK on the P870DM-G... waiting game.

 

can hacked driver enabled gsync?

 

Ah ..just needing the stamp of approval from the FDA pretty much eh?

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@Mr. Fox @D2 Ultima

Thank you two very much. That's all the information I need.

 

No, definitely not. There are a combination of things that have to be in place. NGREEDIA is the master of cripplers and the Nazis of licensing gimmicks. They have gone way out of their way to ensure there are no free rides.

Now, for anyone toying around with the notion of 4K on a notebook because it's a popular fad, please listen up... Having used numerous 4K laptops, I absolutely loathe them. If this is not something you are intimately familiar with and already know for a fact you will like it based on personal experience, I would encourage you to stick with 1080p or go get a cheap 4K laptop from some place with a liberal return policy, like Best Buy, Fry's or MicroCenter. Borrow it for a week, decided if you can tolerate it, then take it back for a refund. Chances are pretty good you will think it severely sucks, like many others of us do. You may love it... if so, great. Please DO NOT do it on a whim. You will thank me later for this warning, or wish you had listened. 4K is not for everyone and it's a very expensive roll of the dice if you've never experienced it. I would reject it if it were offered to me as a free "upgrade" because I hate it that bad.

 

No.

It needs a gsync card (aka with the Gsync license recognizable in BIOS)
Gsync BIOS (with the license matching the card, and installed screen)
Screen certified for Gsync, where the license in the BIOS matches the model number of the screen

So, THEORETICALLY, if I had a 980M Gsync model and somehow managed to spoof my LP173WF2-TPB1 panel as being a "Gsync certified model" in my BIOS license check, Gsync would instantly be detected for me.

But a direct driver won't do crap. I tried the "modded" driver before that was giving ASUS and MSI gsync, and I didn't get it. The reason as I remember it is because the driver contained the checks for the compatible screens (which the as-of-yet-uncertified LP173WF4-SPD1 & LP173WF4-SPF1 screens cleared) instead of the BIOS and at the time ignored the "needs a Gsync GPU or not" requirement, meaning it worked for those ASUS and MSI people. It also showed that the dude didn't know one cyacahole what he was talking about, because otherwise it'd have worked for me. He idiotically claimed that eDP was all that was required, because every single notebook screen in the last few years excepting the 120Hz models like what I have, and the soon-to-be-certified IPS panels, have been LVDS, so he just made a silly blanket statement becauseeeee

*drum roll*

he didn't know laptops!

*fanfare*

Like everyone else who reviews/talks about laptops, amirite?

 

Awesome, glad to help. And, you're very welcome.

 

LOL, not even a hardware module on the laptop. As I said in another thread, typical of nvidia.

 

No, it is not personal preference. It's a matter of tolerance and how one tries to use it. You don't understand because I have not posted much about it in the Alienware threads. It is unsuitable, even unusable, for me and others that share my viewing preferences. So, let me explain the basis of my warning, because it is really super important for anyone that has not experienced 4K. I'm not bashing 4K as much as prompting people not to make extremely stupid uninformed decisions that involve paying more for something they may despise. I'm doing them (and their wallet) a huge favor by getting them to slow down and be deliberate instead of flippant.

I have used a few Dell/Alienware machines with 4K screens and the experience was just as miserable as it was on the Clevo, and for exactly the same reasons. I am extremely picky about text clarity and a nut about scaling. I'm not cray-cray about color gamut and that kind of thing. I am partially color blind and that's actually very common among men, and that gets worse with age. The allure of high resolution to me is not image quality. It's all about having more usable screen real estate and nothing more. To be useful that way you need a very large screen. Having a 24-inch or larger 4K screen is amazing for Excel and having full view of multiple open documents on the same desktop. To realize this benefit, you need to set the scaling to 100%. But, 4K scaled to 100% on a tiny laptop screen (yes, 17 inch is tiny) is almost impossible to read text. It has to be scaled to 150-200% to be readable without eye strain. At 200% there is no usable screen real estate advantage and it becomes nothing more than a 1080p screen space with extremely high (performance robbing) pixel density and a bunch of screwed up scaling. Many programs scale poorly or not at all. At 200% scaling, dialog boxes and menus have truncated text. I also found setting the resolution to down to 1080p caused unacceptable blurriness of text and severe loss of text reading clarity on all 4K screens.

So, as you can see, the list of issues I have with 4K are myriad, and when I have posted about my misery may others have frequently chimed in with their regrets over having purchased a 4K notebook.

Is 4K pretty to look at? Absolutely. I thought it was totally drop-dead gorgeous for image viewing. But, that's not something that I find important... very low on my list of priorities. I don't need it for my job. So, I prefer usability over eye candy. Since I don't need anything 4K brings to the table, and cannot adjust it to meet my own needs, it is a frivolous waste of money.

Hope that helps. It not a matter of hate (even though I used that word) as much as being unsuitable and miserable and almost impossible to deal with on my own terms.

 

Similar reason why I went with a 34inch ultrawide over a prettier 32inch 4k. Sometimes productivity is a lot more valuable than some eye candy.

I personally like the pixel density on higher resolution but I imagine it gets pretty unusable for anything except gaming.

Fox, you should try one of these ultrawide if you have the chance, it really let you view multiple windows at once and not compromising on the size.

 

I almost bought one and I think they really are amazing. I ended up getting a pair of very nice 21" Asus 1080p screens for my work for almost $200 off (each) on a huge NewEgg sale a while back. ($275 monitors I had on my NewEgg watch list for a couple of years for $89 after MIR was hard to pass up.) They fit my Planar dual-monitor stand and work perfectly for the work I need them for. I was able to save about $100 compared to the most affordable ultrawide I could find at the time. My company is run by tightwads that refuse to pay for many of the things employees need to do their jobs efficiently. Everything requires a business case, a protracted approval process and an overall act of congress, so getting what I needed without any red tape while saving almost $400 was a big deal. Had I been shopping for a monitor for myself, I probably would have still gone that way. I generally don't like spending extra money on fancy stuff that doesn't produce more horsepower.

As a side note, I almost never connect my high performance notebooks to an external display. Some of them have never, even once, been connected to an external display. I am happy using them with the built-in screen and nothing more. I use the external monitors and built-in screen on my work laptop to enhance my productivity and ability to multi-task better with extra screen real estate.

 

Preference and tolerance are two different things. One can tolerate certain things to a certain degree and everyone's tolerance varies.

Preference is just based on what the individual prefers in a panel. The tolerance has nothing to do with it.

Ex. You can't tolerate small text or icons, while I can. Colors (gamut) aren't important to you, while it is to others. It just all depends.

Also, it is a grave misconception to think that everyone with a 4K screen on their laptop/dtr uses it at 1080p. I have never used my 4K display to that scale (1080p) as that would be completely counter-intuitive in every way in respect to my work. If I wanted a 1080p screen, I would have bought one to begin with and not buy a 4K only to scale it to 1080p? Makes no sense.

I get what you're saying about your experiences, but that does not apply to everyone. Not everyone has bad eyes and not everyone is color blind. My laptop 4K display is set at 2048x1152, when I am not editing, otherwise it is set to the native 4K resolution when working. I would not be able to receive the benefits of the screen real estate and color production with a 1080p when on the go.

Everything you have outlined is personal preference and highlighting points that go against your own personal wants and needs. Fair enough. However, that doesn't mean that all your negative remarks about a 4k panel holds to be true for everyone else. I'm just saying...

Yes, hate is a very powerful and strong word. It just seems odd that you bash on 4K screens in an all or nothing manner, like you do with bga

4K screens are not there only to be pretty to look at. It has its purpose and it also servers its purpose in ways that a 1080p screen never can. That's the truth.

Gaming? I game on my 4K panel just fine and it is quite enjoyable for when I'm on the go. I game at 1440p, not 1080p as I'm able to obtain respectable fps at over 100fps for the games that I play. Good enough for me. (Preference)

Choosing a panel is completely subjective and it all depends on, Personal Preference. A lot of those who choose the 4K panel, assuming they are not diving into it blind, opt for it for a reason and a purpose. Even if they are diving into it because they think it's better because it's more expensive, one would still be getting a nice screen regardless.

There is nothing intolerable with my 4K screen and just because I didn't choose the 1080p screen, doesn't mean I hate it.

 

dupe

 

Right. Thanks for helping make my point with valid opposing views. This adds value to the discussion, and I am sincere in saying so.

Nobody should do anything because it is a popular fad and their friends of Facebook say they should. That is how fools spend their money. The correct approach is to find out and do it with eyes wide open to avoid regrets. I've had the luxury of testing it on multiple machines and I offer my experience to help curious people realize the need to pay attention and be smart. A 4K laptop screen is definitely not something everyone will appreciate, but the way it is often presented (as a fad) can be very misleading to easily impressionable people. That may leave some of them with a regrettable product that they will never enjoy.

Partial color-blindness aside (moderate red-green deficiency) I have excellent vision. The tiny text on 4K at 100% scaling on a 17 inch screen can produce headaches and eye strain for people with good or bad vision. It's just too small for comfortable reading for many people. Tweaking Windows font sizes to correct that seldom results in an elegant solution. I find it makes things worse.

We both landed on the same conclusion. People need to make informed decisions and thoroughly investigate what the implications of their decisions will be prior to forking out big bucks on expensive upgrades they might regret. Unfortunately, many do not. Between the two of us and our informative posts about it, maybe a few will pay closer attention and make the best possible choice to avoid regrets. If so, mission accomplished. Thanks again for the assistance.

 

Very true. 4K can be misleading to those that don't know what they are getting themselves into, especially for those who have never seen anything outside of 1080p.

I can see it in my head..."Johnny boy gets his first laptop with a 4K screen, because it sounds nice and at the expense of +$300~, then wonders why the icons are so small or why they look like sponge bob. But I thought 4K added more RAM and MHz? No?"

 

There you go...

 

i still expect that some people will still try and chuck a 1080 into the current P870DM-G while i contemplate an ultrawide monitor.

 

I had the Pheonix at first with a FHD panel and then replaced it with the 4k-gsync. What I like the most regarding this specific 4k panel is the colour range, very vibrant colours. Also, the much higher resolution is very nice to look at (and very visible) in games that can hold at least 40fps with maxed out settings with using 2 overclocked 980ms in SLI.

G-sync compensates the low fps nicely. However, when the framerate goes below 30-35 fps g-sync produces screen flicker. Therefore I cannot use 4k on most newer games like whicher 3, the division or tomb raider etc. The flicker caused by g-sync seems to be a specific problem with this panel.

This problem is the main reason I upgraded to the P870DM3 with 1080 SLI and burned a lot of money by the way. I am confident the new system can hold 60fps in those games at 4k. If this is the case I am certain, that more and more people will opt for 4k and this will eventually force microsoft to remedy the scaling mess in Windows at 4k.

IMHO it is just a matter of a couple of years until FHD becomes obsolete, as it has always been with lower resolution panels in the past.

In Germany we have a saying: The better is always the enemy of the good ;-)

 

So If I am getting the 1070 SLI or Single 1080, Should I go with 4k or 1080 120z.
Btw I game alot in windowed mode specially MMOs as I alt tab alot, dnno if that will work with gsync or not

 

The question is if Clevo fixed the flicker problem with the panel when low framerates occur. The 4k panel I use in the P870DM is not officially certified to work with g-sync by Clevo, so I habd to use a special version of the Prema bios and vbios to get it to run with g-sync enabled.

In the new versions (P870DM2/3) of this notebook the panel is now officially certified for g-sync despite beeing the same 4k panel I put in my P870DM. So hopefully Clevo already got rid of the problem. I can verify this in a couple of days, my new notebook already got shipped today.

So if the flicker is gone, you might get away with one 1080 or better 2 1070 in SLI. However, this might not be a good solution for competitive FPS-players as others have stated, in this case you might opt for a 120Hz FHD panel. I rarely do FPS, so for me 60Hz is not a problem.

Regarding windowed mode: I never do this, but you can set g-sync to be used in windowed mode in the nvidia control panel. However, I never tried it out, so I cannot confirm that it actually works.

 

Being an early adopter of the P870DM-G and only just having read the news today about this new model, I am quite disappointed. (I dont even remember when I last came on here)

I guess I will be upgrading the screen at least. The difference of 100Hz to 120Hz is still very noticeable for me.

If the GPU cannot be upgraded to 1080SLI (whether its Clevo or MSI), then I'll just have to settle with what I have until another few generations when my system is completely obsolete. I don't have a big budget, but I had always been with Clevo for the price and its slight upgradeabiltiy (starting with the P150EM) and this to me is quite a blow. Guess I should start lowering my expectations each time

 

Aren't there any ways to make 4K usable, even if it's just FHD in actual resolution?

For someone who needs wide gamut colors, I believe you that 4K will make working with text hard, but I really need those colors. (I'm also a programmer, and it scares me that text might not be readable, I write countless pages of text every day)

Furthermore, 4k screens are the only screens that are not 6bit at this moment, I totally need my screen to be true 8bit. (not even to mention 10 bit, but that would also be handy to have)

 

If you have the IPS FHD screen, the difference in 100Hz vs 120Hz might be bigger than you think right now

Regardless of if you get 100Hz on it, you're still having a ~30ms response time display, not a true 16ms or less response time display. IF the new 120Hz manages at least 10 ms response time, that would be interesting to see.