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Another heatsink fitment issue? Sheesh...

 

Sometimes I think @hmscott needs a hobby. You definitely put allot of thought into every answer you post my friend. I'll give you that for sure.

 

Nice job, Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER. Are the videos a reasonable representation of what you heard when making the videos?

I wore headphones for the video tests. The only video where I might have even noticed fan noise was the first one, and it definitely wasn't loud enough to concern me. The other three videos I had to pay very close attention and had it not been presented as a test of whether I could hear the fans I am pretty sure that I would never have noticed. If it runs cool enough to not need them running full blast all of the time, running them full blast when necessary (like benchmarks) shouldn't be any different than anything else we're used to in the world of high performance notebooks.

 

What i did was I held the phone 5 inches up from the clickers on the track pad. To make sure I was real close to make it as loud as possible while gaming. Since that is where one's ears are at.

I rather them be running full blast when benching that's for sure.
This room has a 55"4k tv Running
A server
A benching rig
A water chiller
A phase change
No case on the bench station so fans are running on 980 Ti with hybrid
Dual fan in window
Portable AC

So some noise from the laptop is not going to really be that bothersome to me. And then again, it's only while benching. During normal use, it's fairly quiet for those that are into that sort of thing. And I can get away with 80% fans when they need to ramp up.
Now if you are one of those people that have to be quite because you trying to game at 12am in the morning while other people are trying to sleep or in the family room and they are trying to watch tv in the same room, then I can see how that would be a problem.

 

I watched your Fallout 4 video on YouTube as well. Temps looked fine to me.

 

I forget if they were auto/80% or full...

 

NEW Alienware 17 with QHD 120HZ display

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-17-laptop/pd

 

That screen would be awesome. The only thing I don't understand about companies other than Clevo is why they rarely even mention the CPU except for saying "Intel i7" or in this case "4.1 GHz overclock able CPU." It just baffles me how someone could want one of those garbage mobile chips over something like the 6700k (I know there were some NBR members who were getting very good scores with the 6820hk, but they're pros).


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Well, that's good. If it was forgettable, that leads me to believe I won't have any problem with DM-3 "noise" at 100% fan speed. And that is exactly what I would have expected since I have never been sensitive to white noise like fans running. There have been hundreds of times that I've left the fans running full blast on the old Alienwares, P570WM, P750ZM and P870DM-G all day by accident before because I did not notice that I forgot to turn them off.

 

Yeah, I know what you mean. I have also noticed the absence of details on CPU is a growing trend. Things are more dumbed down than ever before. It baffles me too. But, if you stop and think about it the answer is pretty obvious. It is a sign of the times we are living in and the type of people they are targeting as customers. When you look at the big picture there is really nothing remarkable or worthy to advertised with a BGA CPU. It's generally too average to be worthy of mention in the case of a BGA processor. Simply saying it is an i7 is enough because the vast majority of the people buying them don't have a flipping clue what they are buying and those that might don't care enough to make it an issue. They are content with mediocrity as long as it does what they want it to. Nothing wrong with that if it makes them happy. They are buying it because they like something about the machine they want more than the value they place on performance, serviceability and quality. No point in advertising specs that the intended audience doesn't know about and/or does not care about.

 

I have no idea how some companies manage to make something named i7 low voltage, which is actually worse than an i3, but it seems there are many people buying those, and happy with those, so I guess those companies knew what they were doing.

 

I don't get it either. I'm sure it is 100% because of the overwhelming ignorance of consumers. Decisions are made based on perceptions and popularity rather than meaningful information. They want a "Core i7" because their friends on Facebook say they do, and because that is listed as a spec. After all [insert OEM name] would not list that as a feature if it were not important. Beyond that, most are like a deer caught in the headlights. If you ask them what CPU they have and the answer is Intel Core i7, you know you've got a real winner.

 

The marketing from BGA peddlers is specifically and effectively targeted. Their consumer base have large amounts of disposable income. These consumers only care about if their gaming laptops can play COD and the like on high settings. Once this laptops can't run the annual COD-crapfest on high, they buy a new gaming laptop. I personally know a lot of guys and gals that do this. And unfortunately, there is no way to reeducate them. Convenience and Maintenance-Free is what they are concerned about.

That is why consoles are so popular (full disclosure, I do own every console). People are willing to spend a S**T ton for convenience or in the case of my business, maintenance free operations/solutions.

 

We have exactly what you want. Our new FantastyBook:

i7 CPU (Ghz-class)
10-series GPU
Right sized screen (super resolution with a lot of colors)
Big RAM (fully upgradeable*)
All ways accessible storage
It can do Internet, Games, Movies & Skype all in one system

All the above can be yours for just a little bit of money paid in 48 simple installments

*only if sent to one of our US service centers

 

The fan noise wasn't for our benefit, but for the others interested in that sort of thing. And now that I gave some of my findings on it. It's time to go back to business as usual.
Ignoring all questions about noise. hahaha

Side note rant: High end gaming machines fall in line with high end exotic cars. You really do not see any advertising for them, but yet they sale and exist, but they cover less than 2 percent of the market share and people complain about the cost of them and how high maintenance they are. And how much gas they burn and how many miles you don't get to the gallon. And the list just goes on and on, but yet people still buy. And they do still sell as long as someone is around making a few for the elite people of the world who can afford them. I'm not part of that crowd (because i sure can't afford one) when it comes to cars, but I sure as hell am when it comes to computer parts and laptops. I know I can't afford a bugatti, but I sure as heck am not going to be trying to downplay it or trash it because I can't afford it.
Which seems to be more so the case with high end stuff unfortunately...

End rant.

 

In before someone comes in and says you cant compare computers to cars. xD

But said it like it is and should be. These systems are not for everyone. With the state the market is in right now, plenty of options out there.

 

And so very true! And that's why they make more machines to fill that gap vs our gap. I'm just glad we HAVE a gap to still jump in.

 

I always shake my head when an online shops post videos how easy and upgradable laptops are.
"Great upgradability, you can easily change hard drives and swap the ram"

Sure, my 500€ laptop from 6 years ago could do that

 

I enjoy @hmscott posting. That man never sleep, LOL

 

First score from Fox's DM1, I know it's noting compared to you guys. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14611047 but i'm going to keep playing around. My brother has his DM3 coming in a few weeks, so I'll have that to test soon.

 

Nice. Update to @j95 372.54 drivers
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9858701

 

New score (last one I'll post in this forum until I have the DM3 on hand)

 

That looks pretty cool!

But I got to ask you, just noticed in your signature: Devo HDD - What is that?

 

What I can say. It's a developmental drive. One of the perks of dealing with vendors directly, you can to see tomorrow's tech, today.

 

That is a really good analogy. That is one of the things I am involved in with my work. In some cases you don't even get offered a chance to buy one (or even just look at one) without an invitation. People frequently criticize things they are jealous of, can't afford, or do not even understand. There is no reason to advertise high end enthusiast products (cars, computers or anything else) because high end people will search out high end products. And, at the end of the day they don't give a rat's butt what anyone else thinks about it.

Nice job! Looks like you're enjoying the beast.

 

Just look at every gaming laptop video on youtube.

All the trash 600$ devices get thumbs up from the viewers and the ones breaking 1000$ will be called overprice/make no sense.


My advice: stop complaining and put more effort into working

 

Haha well said. Therefore, laptops for the ToysRUs market needs to be kept separate from the Enthusiasts. But, idiots like Azor don't understand that.

::iunlock::

 

Well considering that I had my R3 on performance fan mode which is MAX, most of the time, and also of the fact that I don't mind the noise in general; I know me and know that I am not bothered by fan noise.

And yes, I do have a 775 on the top of my list, but with this whole panel situation it's a little quirky right now, for purchasing one now is not very desirable.

 

Well not everyone has the same tolerance level for noise.

Ex. I sleep with a fan in the background because I like the white noise. That's why having a fan noise in the background is not bothersome. I don't find that surprising at all.

 

That's a great example of a scenario where noise is a factor. Understandable.

 

Indeed. Another thing is that it's very rare and almost non existent for those who buy Bugatti's and alike to be complaining about the exhaust noise or gas prices. It's just the nature of the beast. Can it be more efficient? Absolutely. Is replacing parts with aftermarket parts a joy? Absolutely. Having something more efficient is always desirable.

 

Agree 100%. Nobody cares how much gasoline it uses. It doesn't matter. And, it would suck for any high performance motor vehicle (car, motorcycle, monster truck... anything) to be quiet. The noise is part of what make the experience so awesome.

Dragons breathe fire and lions roar. I've never seen either one of them whispering.

 

Honestly, I get a kick out of the fans on Max, that Wide Open Throttle feeling and adrenaline rush. It's music to the ears, especially when it's function over db. (Before someone else says something again, yea yea I know about physics and how loud doesn't equal better etc...but you get the drift.)

 

Hi all,

My house was broken into yesterday and my EVOC P870DM was stolen. Thankfully I have insurance and my ssd and harddrive were encrypted. So it's time to buy a new laptop.

The catch is in currently in the UK, last time I bought my laptop through hide volution and they were great. The problem is you have to pay 20% tax on anything you buy outside of the EU! I don't suppose anyone knows a work around.

I am interested in getting P870DM2 with the single 1080, however I can't seem to find it anywhere in the UK. I have found the P870DM3 at pcspecialist.co.uk, but that's too expensive for me, they have the Clevo P775DM2/3 with a 1080 in it. Has anyone had any experience with this model? Does it overheat Becaus it's smaller?

Lastly, I have the option between getting a Samsung 950 pro nvme or a Samsung PM951 nvme. Which one is best? the PM951 is quiet a bit cheaper.

Thanks for all the help!

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My result, everything stock clocks (I only have the 6700 without K) http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14602585?

 

Wow, that really sucks! It is a great thing you had insurance (I also have renters insurance for everything. You never know. What happened to you is living proof of that). I'd personally go with a 950 pro because I feel they're that good but it's up to you.

 

I second that. Samsung 950 Pro.
Sorry to hear about your unforeseen event. Glad you had insurance.

 

Oh, a Dragons whispering can be very intimidating @smaug the Golden!

 

Any "work around" import tax would be quite illegal and not suitable for discussion on the forum you can of course buy from within the EU as tax will already have been paid.

 

you are somehow bottlenecked by the CPU
considering your GPU core clock that high
you should get around 23K graphics score by that core clock

 

While I like the analogy. I get the feeling that among these high-end systems themselves it is more a question of either getting a mainstream Mercedes/BMW factory capped @ 250km/h or a "insert random sports car brand here" for about the same price, which let's you utilize the full motor power and drive @ some 350Km/h.

 

I think it is completely wrong to compare these laptops to exotic sports cars

1) the loud exhaust sound is something desired in sports and contributes to a positive experience.

2) complaining about gas consumption in a sports car isn't comparable either... If I were complaining about electricity bills then that would be the same

3) you can test drive any sports car and see if it suits you. In the UK and many other parts of the world you can't test out a DM3. We go to these forums to educate ourselves on what are the best options out there. I comment on fan noise so someone else isn't disappointed.

Simply but fellas, I was in search of the best of the best, money not being a major concern. I believe there are many others like me who want to establish what is the best out there and will consider making the purchase.

Noise is part of the consideration process and it is a big let down, especially for a machine at this price point.

I knew the laptop would be big and heavy when I bought it. I didn't know it would sound like a hair dryer when under heavy load. At this price point there shouldn't be any cheap parts used. I certainly wouldn't expect a crappy Tata exhaust to come with a new Ferrari F12.

Just my $.02

 

I have a mint UK DM3 and am considering selling. PM me if interested.

4K
6700k
2 X 512gb 961s
1080 SLI
Hyper X 32GB

 

If you clock it to the same as a normal machine would be able to run full pelt then it will be reasonable volume wise. The 1080 just overclocks itself given the power limit to the edge if the cooling system. Take a 100MHz off in afterburner and it should run a fair bit cooler.

 

um, why not just send it back to the shop where u got it from...? especially if its still that new. less hassle for you

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Bought from mysn?

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get the gt83 titan sli, and tell us how the fan noise is.

 

Great score! You should be able to beat this one soon:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8148698

 

Hidevolution have some arrangement so you don't pay import tax when shipping to the UK.. The shipping cost is the only thing you add on top when checkout and you'll get your parcel without paying import taxes.. Make sure to use FedEx and you get it in 2-3 days hassle free!!

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Where was the dB measured from? Directly behind the fan (air can cause some extraneous readings without wind screens), 1 meter away, or from sitting in front of the laptop?

Edit: asked and answered-5"from the touchpad buttons from the front.

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