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Let me try to talk you out of that. If you have a couple hundred ($200-300) to get the second adapter, etc., you might as well get the P870DM2. The reason is the ability to handle more power, ability to upgrade, AND THE THIRD COOLING FAN!!! It's a little thicker, sure. But with the extra headroom and extra cooling for the video card, I believe you will be happier in the long run... (note: price comparison based on barebones configuration)...

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DreamMachine is a Prema partner inside the EU... Check that out compared to the import tariff...

Edit: give consideration to the Toshiba/OCZ NVMe drive over the 950 pro. Cost is a little less and ssdreview actually shows for regular use out may be better for performance...

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That space is left for high end BGA's in this analogy my friend.
http://www.autosnout.com/Top-Speed/Top-Speed-Over-250mph-Car-List.php

1: Nope. Not everyone likes loud exhaust as you say. Some just like being an owner.

2: Complaining about electricity? I think you would be closer to complaining about battery then. You will hear far more people complaining about gas and gas milage then you will about electricity and how much you're billed every month. Let's not just grab random things and throw them into the pot.(It was and example not the topic of discussion. Example only.Not for use to branch off topic with. )

3: You have 14 days to test drive any laptop, provided you live in the USA and you don't break it. That's something you need to take up with your country. This is why most of us see things differently. We don't like it, we take it back. Plain and simple as you put it.

What you should have did was instead of trying to cut corners on purchase you should have found somewhere to purchase that has a return policy. That should have been your number 1 priority above all. Sure, you are going to pay more, but you get the satisfaction of sending it back should you not like it.

I understand your concern about fan noise and that is perfectly fine. Along with your opinion on the noise, but it's not the opinion of all others. Just like me not caring about the noise is not the opinion of all others either, but not my right to try to force it down everyone's throat either.

And did it just like Ken from Gentech did it.
Also did it like 20 times also. And those numbers were the best case scenario numbers.

250 km/h is on 155.3 mph
350km/h is on 220 mph or 218 respectfully.
And below, and still not a 250 mph+ car
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/build/class-SL/model-SL65R#tab=tab-summary

These cars...a bit more, when you want more.
https://www.advancedcarrent.com/blo...t-cars-in-the-world-top-4-list-2014-2015.html

You know...like how when we want a premamod bios. We want more. And a premamod bios still works on bga or lessor for those in that class that want more.

 

Thanks for the input. I was originally considering the 870DM2 and the 775 wasn't even on my radar. It's still a toss up at this point, but I'll likely be pulling the trigger here soon, however, it just boils down to which way the wind blows that day for me when I order.

I also keep my computers for about a year at most and will refresh to the latest, granted it is worth while. I do understand the importance of getting it 'right' from the get go if one plans to keep it for a while, but in my case the usual priorities are much different and in an unusual order from the norm.

I also prefer the aesthetics of the 775 over the 870. Just personal preference. It's something that I have to look at everyday so it's important...at the end of day 6700K/1080 on either or.

Appreciate the input mate.

Cheers

 

I second the motion on that advice to @iunlock as the unified heat sink is a real pisser. Never again for me... not a good design IMHO. Machine itself looks truly fantastic but that's a engineering defect that hinders all machines that use that design. Part of the intent is to save space, but that represents compromise in thermal management, especially where the CPU is involved.

 

True...hmm....

It would be nice to see some solid data on temps between the 775 vs 870 with single 1080's...

 

Yeah, it would be nice. If we did I think it would make the decision much easier. In some ways the 775 is a more attractive machine. I especially like the look of the lid. Clevo makes machines with excellent cooling systems that sometimes fit like crap due to inconsistent manufacturing quality control. (I believe Foxconn makes the heat sinks for them, but I'm not 100% certain on that. Whoever it is needs to do refine their process so that all of them fit correctly.) The unified heat sink design exacerbates that area of opportunity for them. If it fits perfectly it's still less effective for CPU cooling, but if it does not it can be debilitating. Of course, there is always a chance they improved their manufacturing process with the heat sinks since the last models.

 

Let me put it another way, if noise is a concern, then add resale value, since that is your plan.

1) both models use the same 12V fan, or so it seems from photos. Those running full bore on load put out the same dB, that won't change. If you have two fans cooling one card instead of one fan per card, your stated configuration, those fans will have to work less hard to cool the same amount, thereby reducing sound under load.

2) when reselling, the DM2 can be converted to a DM3 with the proper bios/ec flash, buying an extra card, and buying a heatsink. If Clevo keeps the card design the same moving forward, as Prema suggested, a person will be looking to pick this machine up next year at a discount as a cheaper way of getting the machine they want. This may add value, but, if nothing else, can shorten the time looking for a buyer.

But that's my thoughts on it...

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Yes indeed. I'm sure we'll be seeing some soon.

I'm planning on ordering some pressure paper to see how well the heat sink sits on the IHS & die ... however, those sheets are pretty pricey for what they are.

There are several ideas that I have in mind to fix the unevenness, which would provide better conditions for liquid metal.

 

Great points.

Regarding the conversion of the DM2 to DM3, I'm curious what the cards and heat sinks will cost a year from now, considering they drop little in price due to the low demand and rarity? Right now a single 1080 (mxm) will run around $1250, which is almost half the price of a barebone 775 config. Then the heat sink...which is probably priced at around $kidney or $liver.

Would there be any difference in resale value between the 775 and 870? I have a feeling that they will be pretty close.

Thanks for your insight.

 

The question I would have is even if the fit is flawless how effective that heat sink design will be with a heavily overclocked CPU. Should be fine stock or mild overclock, but my impression is that it will be less effective with smaller heat sink radiators and the GPU heat contributing to the CPU temps. It will be interesting to observe how that works out.

The best approach would be to isolate the CPU and GPU so one does not have any affect the other. With proper engineering there should be no need for one to leech off the other to try to level things out. Each would be able to discretely take care of its own business independent of the other. It also sucks to have to disturb both components if only one needs attention (like a repaste).

 

The heatsink, I've heard, is about $100. Considering unified heatsinks for the 700zm/dm are about $125, that is a small price compared to the second card. The price of the card, as you said, will stay inflated. If you look, the GPU is the main cost on a barebones as far as the 1080 is concerned. So considering release for cannonlake may take until 2018, (for the U, Y, and H flavors coming in 2H 2017 with rumors that the overclockable CPUs being moved solely to the socket 2066 format without information on the S chips available), those going for a better CPU would not greatly be in the market next year.

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How neat would it be to have a metal 3D printer right about now at our finger tips. I know they exist, but they cost about $200,000+ US for even the smallest one.

It would be fun to explore what the maximum cooling potential is of the given hardware / cooling system that it is equipped with.

Considering that liquid metal can provide some mind blowing results, the variable here with a 6700K/1080 will be mostly on the ability of the heat sink and stretching its capacity to it's maximum potential.

Ex. On the previous 17R3, I've obtained temp drops of over 20C from Mid 90C's to Mid 60C's....Granted it was a mobile chip 6820HK OC'ed to 4.1MHz, the point here is the cooling potential and what it is capable of; which would mean that the only reason the 6700K/1080 wouldn't be able to cool just as well (10C-20C give or take) with liquid metal, would be due to the cooling system itself being a flop that fails to meet up to the requirement for its design.

However, with a much higher TDP and heat output of the two chips, like you've mentioned there are only so much you can do even under perfect conditions of the HS making perfect contact with the IHS & die.

 

Going by what I'm seeing now...It would seem the fans ramp up to 4350 Max....

 

That's not bad at all and you're right, the cost of the 1080 makes up for about 30% of the total price of the DTR itself. That's very lopsided, but not a surprise in this industry and recent availability.

 

How much psi would you say is the heat sink puts on a traditional thermal paste on the IHS and die? Very little I imagine...

The reason I ask is because a lot of the pressure papers are for higher psi's, so I would have to find one accordingly that is made for lower psi, if it even is available for something that low (psi).

 

Thanks! I will try this tomorrow.

I didn't know I could still get a refund. I also already installed Windows 10 pro and office pro

Yes XMG in UK

 

Very low or ultra low! Seriously, you need to measure it under 60psi, usually under 30 or 20. Max is 81 BEFORE adding the pressure of the arm. The arm puts around 20 MIN on it to guarantee boot. This is socket pressures, not die pressures, so too high a pressure can still crack a die. Hence one of the two lowest is preferred. I have the calculations in either the P770ZM or P750ZM threads based on Intel white papers for HASWELL! Skylake used thinner PCB, meaning the weights may be less...

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Excellent. Thanks. I've just got off the phone with a company and they've recommend their lowest which has a minimum of 20lbs.

::iunlock::

 

There is one lower than that, but what you're getting is what I've used...

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If those are licenses you purchased, and not part of the XMG purchase, you can call MS and unbind those licenses from that machine, before or after returning, explain the situation returning the laptop and that you want the licenses to be free to install on your next laptop.

If those licenses are part of the XMG laptop purchase the refund will come from them and they will deal with the return to MS, and MS will remove the licenses from their database.

Please come back and let us know how the return / refund works out, and what you end up getting.

 

Buying windows license


what?

 

Yes, some vendors break out the OS configuration and let you pay extra for different OS's other than the default. Windows 10 Pro for example.

Also, you can purchase Windows 10 Pro upgrade's for $99 to apply to your regular Windows 10 install to get additional features.

I've moved the upgrade license (Windows 8.1 Pro) to another laptop after returning the first one I installed the upgrade license on.

It takes about 30 minutes of MS phone time to get to the right department, and get the person with access to the MS DB to remove your license upgrade from the 1st machine and free it up to go on to the 2nd machine.

 

Great to know....

Does the $99 add Enterprise Edition features?

 

It add's Windows Pro Features to the Base OS.

From Microsoft:

Compare Windows 10 Editions
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

Find out which Windows 10 edition is right for you.
https://wincom.blob.core.windows.net/documents/Win10CompareTable_FY17.pdf

 

Glad you're enjoying it. It really is a beast. DM3 would be amazing, too. Isn't it just crazy awesome pushing a laptop with a desktop CPU at 4.8GHz on air, when many people with desktops think 4.5GHz on water is something special? That @Prema BIOS goodness is hard to beat.

As long as you're keeping it cool, you've got some room to grow. This was my best with 1.268V. Note the temps in the AIDA64 Sensor Panel.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8625306

 

I'd be interested in doing a trade and adding incentive items since I'm currently in the process of selling my Clevo P870DM-G. Noise levels aren't much of a conern for me. Unless you're going to just trade it back to your reseller since you just got it not too long ago. . But what machine would you replace it with? The acer predator 17x when that hits the market or another beastly machine?

 

Cars & Clevos
I too dig the car analogy @Prema @|KingJohn​

I hear Phoenix & I think Firebird, so on a lazy 'Race on Sunday Sell on Monday', I'd like to talk about one of my favorite fast cars before the moment slips away

At $165K, meet the most expensive Buick GNX ever sold​

this bad-to-the-bone 1987 Buick - fast as it is - wears a factory governor on it & top speed = 124mph sadly, but it shares its most vital DNA with a close sibling & my dream car, & after the Black Menace was put out to pasture it in fact became the heart donor to help celebrate a very special very legendary birthday

'vroom with a view
meet the 20th Anniversary Pontiac Firebird Turbo Trans Am Indianapolis 500 Pace Car
this drop-top is one of only three built
Brief history of the world's fastest 'affordable' cars​

a low-volume production run of 1555 cars made their way into the hands of collectors - & just like a 6700k - a few were de-lidded for the best possible owner's experience

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this is both the quickest & the fastest American production car for 1989; Car & Driver recorded 0-60mph in 4.6s, 1/4mile in 13.4s; when pitted against a Vette to see who was top dawg that year it pegged an un-governed top speed of 162mph, smoked the bow-tied Chevy badly (piloted by an unhappy Mr Dell in the driver seat *wink*). It took the limited-edition Vette ZR1 & its special V8 to regain the performance crown in 1990 (think of that engine like next year's Skylake-E but don't expect to see it in an Aw18 ZR1, ahem)

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In it's day, the boosted-bird was designed to show many a Mustang & Vette owner its tail-feathers & look good while doing it; as if they already couldn't shake the Buick year in & year out - which performed best in winning the straight line stop light wars - the coast wasn't clear, because 2years later the Buick's potent engine was resurrected like a Phoenix, did its final encore & was placed into a chassis with a race car suspension meant to take both the windy curves & the straight-aways & do so without peer

the 20th T/A is just like Powered by PremaMod
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take DM1/2/3 with a governor on it (stock Bios), add PremaMagic (remove governor) & claim the performance crown

Darth Vader & His Stormtroopers

non-LGA Vetteware Cowers in a Corner
but still seeks attention under the hood
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To improve the warranty over the Buick, Pontiac designed an improved cooling system & intercooler over the GNX (gave it a vapor chamber) & conducted all torture testing in Death Valley in the summertime to prove it was ready willing & able to face the everyday heat-torture found out there in the wild

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@MrFox: please post me a screen capture of your best 6700k overclock if you can, I would like to paste it into Mr Dell's forum so it can sit there alongside JohnK's which I posted lastweek, to better taunt the 'factory 4.2 on water 6700k crowd' there, at your leisure (edit: gracias Sir, done)

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Ty to forum members for reading & allowing the chance to help celebrate the bad-to-the-bone Phoenix

'Powered by PremaMod'
Got your decal yet?

Gentlemen: start your engines
get your Pace Car on

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Here you go, bro... honored to have you post it along with @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER example so the Alien desktop owners can see what they're missing out on with their crippled crap.

http://valid.x86.fr/e4eg4z


Not as good as @Papusan's Cinebench R11.5, but still very respectable.

 

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@Cass-Olé Show the Morons this as well bro Also ask simultaneously. Why they destroyed AW. Tell Azor..., Not a single hardcore performance enthusiasts will touch BGA!!

Wprime 32M


Wprime 1024M


Cinebench R11.5


Cinebench R15

 

The only non-BS advertising I've seen Dell do in recent years was when they refered to their systems as 'full throttle'... Lol... That they are.. That was precious.

 

@Cass-Olé One more you can push out for @Alienware-Frank
This bench could be from the new AW models, if he dared to go High performance!!
http://hwbot.org/submission/3306401...5_core_i7_6700k_11.74_points?recalculate=true

 

done Poppy, on AClub

Spoiler: get your Pascal on

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Got PremaMod ?
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Spoiler

 

Does Eurocom include prema in their pricing?


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I think all of Prema Partners have the bios built into the cost of the machine.

 

They are actually allowed to price it however they want.

But it's the reason many of us are getting these machines, to have @Prema 's magic!

Having an unlocked BIOS can mean so much love for us!

 

Some game footage of stock 1080s with a 4.2ghz CPU with -125mv undervolt.

 

Anyone have Delid with full liquid metal thermal paste?

 

That's at 4k ultra settings right?

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You can see all the graphics settings at the end or read the description

 

Also, how has anyone's luck been with LM on the warped heat sinks? Has anyone experimented with the copper shims + LM?

 

Going to try this again next weekend. Right now, I have good contact with a 0.3mm shim on the master GPU and nothing on the other, so I'm going to try with a 0.5mm on the master and 0.3 on the slave.

 

Very nice. Looking forward to it.

 

I'm just curious, that's a not 100% working hardware right & should come under warranty I suppose, So can we not request a replacement if the Heatsinks don't align ?

 

This. They need to work on their crappy fitting heatsinks and stop sending out poorly fitting crud.

 

Are you using an external monitor? I noticed the screen refresh rate is 144 hz at 2k resolution!

 

this

 

Yea this type of poor QC on a 3K+ machine is unacceptable. Period.

Hope they tighten things up between now and when the new screen options become available. Lets see if they even do that...

 

Palkeo just upped the Service Manual for the DM2/3 models
https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/P870DM23G/