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Oops. my bad. Don't mind me then

 

Just ordered my EVOC KM1 today. Upgrading from my 4 month old NP9872-S lol. Before someone asks the reason for such a small upgrade, I started looking into ways to get my Sager cooler, and it came down to I was gonna delid my 6700K, redo the pads, and get Prema BIOS (oh wait, Sager doesn't like Prema!). So I said screw it and stepped up to the 7 series with a 1080 (had a 1070).

Shout out to Donald for calling me about the order and getting me the discount!

 

Hi Guys!

<---- New meat here

Anyone with a Sager NP9876 that can help with a little problem.

Everytime it starts I get a loud static noise right before the SAGER logo appears. I want to believe that it's part of the booting animation.
Here is the video

Anyone with the same static noise before the logo appears?

I've called tech support and they don't seem to have a clue on what's making the noise. Should I worry?

Thanks in advance!

 

Pipes are used as they can transport heat quickly which is not the function I was talking about and relates little to thermal mass.

 

If you can lower max temperature by 1-2 or perhaps as much as 3 degrees (with added small amount of thermal mass) in maximum load during a short or extended time... It's better than nothing. I can't see the problem + the need to be discussed in several ways in several posts. If this works for some.... Great.

 

Actually working on something with the spare VC

 

VC CPU HS ?

 

VC GPU HS

 

I was being jovial that you were Frankensteining it into a CPU VC - although that's not possible.

 

LOL. I really need to stop skipping my morning coffee.

 

Will a B173QTN01.0 screen fit/work in a P870KM1-G?

 

Yes

 

Thank you.

I found a place on eBay to buy one, are there any other places?

 

Make sure the listing is for that panel and not a compatible replacement if that's the specific one you want.

 

@Meaker@Sager

Mind answering my question a few posts before? It's related to the company you represent.

Thank you.

 

Does it make the noise with headphones in it if they were left in from when last in Windows?

 

Thanks for replying.

It only makes that buzzing static noise on cold boot.

Please see(hear?) video. When I restart the static noise is gone. Only on cold boot.

 

Well it seems audio circuitry related, if it's only cold boot and the audio is good elsewhere then it's almost as if the filtering does not kick in quick enough.

 

What I could see from bloowhawk's mod is to spread the heat more evenly on the fins. Increasing the thermal mass is just a side effect of it.

 

Hello guys... Quick question..


The new Z270 chipset has 4 extra lanes therefore the p870km1 has an extra m.2 slot. Is it possible to raid 3x 960 pro pcie ssds in raid 0?? If so, will i get full performance and bandwirh or will the dmi bandwidth bottleneck my bandwidth???

 

PCPER did a some good speed and latency testing on the Z170 platform with 3x m.2 which should perform the same.

 

Thanks for thr quick reply....
So according to that video it 3x m.2 ssds in raid zero does not have any performance benefits ?? im confused.

 

Even 1 top-of-the-line NVMe SSD just about bottlenecks DMI. Putting 3 together in RAID0 is going to show improvement only through reduced load on each controller and maybe high QD 4K and will expose you to much higher risks of catastrophic data loss.

 

Pc prespective says the system feels snappier... Thats a pretty big plus i think. I was gonna just do two if it would have absolutly no benefits on going 3x m.2 but seems like thats not the case... There are some minor benefits to it. Snappy system is what i like.
I know the risk of data loss with raid... And luckly I don't really store anythinf too important in there only games and programs.
The rest pictures and videos are on a separate drive.

 

has anyone here tried 3x m.2 ssd in raid ?

 

also... another thing worth asking... when using the 3 m.2 slots in the p870mk1... will I be loosing any ports of the laptop? any SATA ports or TB3 ?

 

No, but all three share the same DMI bandwidth.

 

interesting.... sorry if this has already been discussed.

So if i bench mark the 3x m.2 raid setup while transferring a large file thru TB3 the bench results will be affected?

 

@Juang1985
km1 can't go past 4000MB/s if using raid 0
Too
Correct me if i am wrong (i think that i have seen that written somewhere just don't remember where)

 

3.93GB/s is the theoretical throughput for DMI 3.0, but I haven't seen anything over 3.5 in any CDM benches anywhere.

 

when optane m.2 comes out, u just need 1 SSD and it'll defeat PCIE SSDs in raid 0 in latency and 4k random read/write at QD1. only point of raiding at that point is if theres DMI 4.0 that allows sequential through put over 6GB/s, which isnt that useful at all.

 

Yes, but they will be so small
.

 

yep thats first gen, and also because its really meant to replace ram and be cheaper so intel could compete in ram space. i believe the first m.2 non-cache PCIE optane SSD type will be out around end of this year, or early next yr. will need a controller that runs fast and somehow able to run cool cause it'll be much faster than samsung 960 pro, and a decent size say 250GB.

 

It may be a while before you see anything larger than 32GB...and by then, who knows what Samsung or other SSD makers will have.

See - http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-optane-memory-coming-in-q2-2017_189736 & http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155...-can-expect-in-pcs-and-when-it-will-ship.html
.

 

Optane DC P4800X-SSD With 3D XPoint for Desktops is here... Not cheap nor particularly fast... Only 1500 USD for 375 GB aka this means 4 USD per GB. Yeah, it will take some time before we will see faster models and more normal prices.

See also my thread
Why laptops won’t come with larger SSDs this year

 

The bus has transmission overheads so 3.5GB/sec is your real cap.

 

Its on a limited bus anyway but it was never about straight line speed but endurance and latencies.

 

Yeah, its first and foremost for snappiness and endurance. Speed will come later.
And we will maybe also see
Samsung Begins 3D XPoint Assault With Z-NAND SSDs And HybriDIMMs

 

Can someone link the copper shims that they are using? I have delided the cpu and used liquid metal thermal under the IHS but the heatsink is not spreading the paste on my cpu. I did seal the IHS back on the cpu so that it wouldn't move during installation. I want to use liquid metal on the cpu rather than paste but I want to make sure the heatsink is making full contact with the cpu. I have to use a lot of paste for it to spread just a little and also use the spread method which I have always used the dot method on applying paste. Thanks in advance

 

30mm x 30mm x 0.5mm

30mm x 30mm x 0.8mm

I'd get both since the shipping takes a while. I'm actually using 0.8mm at the moment, and others are mostling using 0.5mm. You might need to try which gives you better results.

 

Ok thank you for the help. Are you also using liquid metal thermal on the cpu with the shims and if so what are some of your temps? My idle temps are about 49-55 degrees Celsius but when running a stress test or benchmark the CPU temp goes up 89-96 degrees Celsius. Depending on the game, the CPU can get up to about 90 degrees. I am assuming that has a lot to do with a heatsink that is not making good contact with the CPU. Any advice on lowering my temps would be greatly appreciated.

 

Another question since this is my first gaming laptop. I have seen the prema BIOS and see that it is best to buy from a reseller that offers the upgrade for that bios when it is released but I was wondering if I will be able to use the prema BIOS on my Sager NP9876 if it was bought directly from Sager and not from a seller like xoticpc. I would think I could but just want to make sure. Also, is that something that Sager may help me flash or something I would have to do myself? I know it is probably a stupid question but like I mentioned this is my first gaming laptop and just want to get the best out of my beast of a machine.

 

I thought the physical layer used 128/130? Or do you mean protocol overhead?

 

You don't apply LM paste using the same methods as traditional paste. You're supposed to spread it out over the entire contact surface yourself so that you can control the exact amount applied to avoid overrun/spillage. That said, it also sounds like you need a shim.

 

I knew that I would have to spread LM which is what I did when I delidded the cpu but I am having to put a lot of thermal paste on when I put the heatsink back for it to not overheat. I just ordered the shims that were linked. That should solve my issue with the heatsink having a gap.

 

Let me know if you want me to test any games for you buddy. It's hard to compare temps to a degree based on unknowns like fan speed / ambient temps.
Ball park though... I can run 4.6 Ghz in games like the Division with the fans on auto and temps averaging in the 70's. 4.8 averages me in the 80's. 5ghz and I'm into the 90's and but it needs max fans.

Regarding the Prema BIOS you may unfortunately be out of luck unless Sager decides to become a Prema partner.

 

that ssd got 14 chip yet its only 375GB so yes it'll be awhile we get anything a decent size in m.2 form factor, its like the transition from HDD to SSD all over again in terms of size and pricing. can't wait for the 120GB optane in a laptop though.

also, nand is on shortage so pricing gonna go up a bit..

sequential at this point has very limited usage anyway, most of the time its mix read/write workload especially in random 4k QD1-4 area, not even so much mixed sequential read/write. also most controller drops a TON of performance in mixed work load and thats also where optane shines with intel's own controller.

 

And 4 USD per GB is more like $4000 for 1TB or $8000 usd for 2TB ssd's. Not for my pocket if they was real And people said 6950X is expensive

 

Meanwhile I just ordered my second 4tb Seagate portable lol.