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Personally I'd recommend the 165Hz ASUS 1440p model. OC to 180Hz and put them two 1080s to good use

 

Be sure to get the MG279Q freesync model instead of the PG279Q G-stink

 

If you have Nvidia then you don't have much choice since they don't use freesync.

 

Indeed, lack of innovation. I'm still using the old P570WM with Xeon E5-2697V2. It's so fast and stable, and no replacement in the market so far. With all the manufactures are focusing gaming laptops, Clevo should do some serious work to compete. One would be Skylake-X models.

 

I was seeing some power and temperature issues reported in the OC forum for the 7700K when compared to the 6700K. Perhaps the skylake P870DM3-G is a better performer?

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At stock it was hot, then I removed the lid, replaced with no glue and liquid metal and it was fine.

 

I have one and it is freaking ****ing amazing.

 

You can plug nvidia gpu into freesync monitor no problem though.

 

I'm still searching for a decenly priced one though :|

 

Not quite as bad -
and this isnt even the DM2/DM3, using the bit heatsink the temps might actually be a bit better.

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I picked it up from Frys for $450, and it had a few dead pixels. ASUS did the advance replacement thing and i had a new perfect one in 2 days.

 

I agree with you, I said that many times in different ways.

 

I hope that 6/8 cores CPU's comes back to Clevo.

 

Wait. ASUS? Warranty? Did something for you?

I'm sorry your words... they make no sense...

 

Wow, that is nicely done! =) Awesome way to get such a powerful machine!

 

Haha Yeah. I requested the RMA on Sunday evening, and Monday they shipped out the new monitor. Got it Wednesday. Perfect panel!

 

Did... you mistype ACER? I mean... you said... ASUS. But then you... said... good service...

*smoke comes from brain*

Cannot compute...

 

It took ASUS almost two months to replace my router.

 

So...my deposit has been with Metabox for 6 months exact. They had the courtesy to update me on supposedly 'insider information' from the factory (Clevo) regarding screen and CPU options for the P7xxxM series. At this rate either go with the 'minor refresh' P8 KM platform and 3K 120Hz or wait for an entirely new gen altogether for the 'perfect machine' they say.

Is it me or is Pascal+Kaby Lake+4k@120Hz a bridge too far? I put that line in my signature 2 years ago when I bought the ZM. Tech world slowing down?

 

4k 120hz is unlikely doable even with 2 x 1080's in top tier games, it's definitely a gap to bridge that we don't have the means to meet.

Maybe Volta will kick us over the top into that range, but not before.

 

If the game scales well and you tweak it you should be able to get greater than 60hz 4k. At that point you are then benefiting from all the extra power.

 

I'd like to see 4k 120hz become a thing on laptops. Mainly because I'd like to benefit using 4k to view pictures but will never give up 120hz. I must say though, 1440p 120hz right now is pretty sweet all round on a 17" laptop. I couldn't bare more until Windows sorts scaling out.

 

Anything above QHD is just impossible for my eyes, you young kids have good eyes, i don´t
Scaling is not a option, what windows does just angers me to a point where i´m afraid i´ll punch a hole in the screen.

 

I've got 4K 60hz 17 inch. I've actually been running it at 2880x1620 for the past couple days as it remedies a screen issue I've described in another thread.

Can't see the difference tbh. Text looks as good as 4K to my eyes, which are pretty strong in that I've been staring at FHD screens for a decade and hardly ever had any eye strain.

I'll be shifting to 3K as a result, I would have preferred that when I bought the 4K nearly 3 months ago but couldn't find the panels available on the cheap. It'll fit better with the 980Ms now as well as 120hz for whatever else may be shoehorned in there by year's end.

4K is just too many pixels for the 980Ms but of course 1080Ms won't have that issue in the near term

 

That problem that you have, is it with both the old and new cable?
If that's the case, then the only thing left would be the panel it self.

 

4K content is everywhere now that 4KTVs are saturated and getting cheaper. The next trend will be HDR/VR at 4K and all but I'm surprised laptop has barely caught up, especially a tech pioneer like Clevo.

Gaming aside, I'm sure anyone with Netflix and Amazon Prime can really tell the difference on that 4K screen of the P750ZM compared to 1080p. Some may blast the small screen size as pointless on 4K but watching a 2160p video on that 15" vs 1080p on the Alienware 17 120hz FHD screen (which is still awesome in its own right after 4 years) I do believe the market is ripe for the taking.

 

At this point, if the tech industry is going as slow as everyone is saying right now, this will be a loooong year.

 

You speak truth, except for the part about Alienware being good.

 

The Alienware 17 R1 (the model he is talking about, with the 120Hz panel and the socketed haswell/MXM) is a pretty good system relatively speaking. It's better than everything they've launched since; I'd say.

 

Someone with money for a high end CLEVO laptop will have money for a High End TV, there´s no way, EVER, NEVER, i would watch a TV Episode or Movie in a laptop, i would rather not watch it.

I have seen that logic before and i just don´t agree with it. 15" or 17" Laptops for gaming, just give me high frequency g-sync QHD tops.
For work purpose i would not mind having a High-Res screen (Video Edit, Photo, etc), specially a high color accurate screen, but then Windows is just not ready, so if you want to blame someone, blame Microsoft and not Laptop manufacturers.

I sell this things and i can have any combination of hardware, still i always end up hooking up a professional grade screen with 32" @ QHD, 100% Zoom (No Scaling)...

And at home, nothing like a big TV and a comfortable sofa! Ahhhhhh so good. My TV kicks ass and costs half of the price tag on most of high end laptops. Hook up all your systems to a Freenas system, serve all your Media, schedule downloads, notifications, backups, automate everything, etc, ZFS with 6 HDDs for 3hdds parity and your done.
It is quite scary how most people do everything with a laptop, where it´s so easy to loose data, malfunction, data corruption and un-comfortable for many tasks.
I´m still waiting for that Laptop with ECC RAM support.... where is he?

There is a lot of great products out there that can help you enjoy life, use them in a smart way.
Breaks my heart every time i listen to a client say they lost 10 years of their kids pictures because of a HDD failure. I can´t understand why someone would watch Game of Thrones in a gaming laptop (with a crappy gaming LCD) and most of the times i see friends watching it @ 720p or streaming it online. :O

Well TLDR? It´s ok... just steam coming out.

 

To each his own. I wouldn't use 4k on any laptop even if you paid me: How does anyone in his right mind buy a 4K screen laptop? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...his-right-mind-buy-a-4k-screen-laptop.776830/

 

Well it's not that I disagree. I can barely manage 1440p on a 17". I'd only like to be able to exploit the extra res for photography. Beyond that I couldn't care less. I'd probably run some goofed up scaling hybrid. But most importantly I need 120hz. Or MS could save us the trouble and actually sort out scaling

 

One word mate. Convenience. Otherwise I would have gone full blown gaming DESKTOP and not bother with laptops at all. By your logic we wouldn't have had the race since Retina Display on iPhone 4 in 2010. Look at every single tablet and smartphone on sale right now and tell me there's no market for pixel-loving consumers on tiny screens.

 

Even if it is good, I can't stand the bezel on those things. The way it arcs at the top kills me, and all the excess space at the bottom of the display.

 

They did that to expand the footprint rather than making it deeper.

 

Meh, empty space annoys me more than thickness of the display.

 

I will say that if you haven't been using more than 1080p on a laptop and you want to save money then never get a new one with higher res. You may like it and not be able to go back ... well thats what happened to me and I have old eyes!

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Also 17.3" panels are far more common than 18" or larger. So it was either have a deeper machine (not just display but that extra space on the panel mates to the wider base, so more room for cooling etc).

 

Best Bezel award for me goes to m18x r1/2 and probably the 17's of that gen. 1 big piece of flush glass covering the whole viewing area. I loved it.

 

Don´t get me wrong i can understand your points, i just think that manufactures and end clients don´t always know what´s best for them.
My fist reaction would be "Yes you probably should have got a Full Blown Gaming Desktop", you can get more performance, better screens, pay less, i would always go for a desktop if i could.
The power laptop is for specific cases, for example, you need a powerful work PC + a powerful gaming PC at home, a single laptop is less expensive and more "convenient" then two desktops. Or you need to take your laptop to meet clients, or to school, or you go to your friends house to play, whatever, that is the convenience of laptops.
The race for for high pixel density was done wrong and for all wrong reasons on most cases, beats me how manufacturers provide 2K LCD on smartphones but still no AMOLED offers, let´s not go there.
Unfortunately there is much more to screen quality then the pixel density/resolution, there´s color accuracy, response time, refresh rate, won´t even talk about the huge lack of professional grade screens for laptops. Just look at the graphic cards RAM amount, for years a big part of clients think that more GDDR = Better Card.
If they do make windows scale as good as the counterparts then i would LOVE a 4K for myself, don´t get me wrong, specially if it offers high color accuracy, response time and color depth, that would be great for my design, photo, video and audio work. As for gaming @ 4K i just think it would be a great loss of performance for nothing. Selecting a screen based on the resolution is like buying a car based on the wheel size.
It does makes sense for my external screen, not for my 15" or 17" screen, i can´t even use a 3K screen on those.
And you are on the P870KM1 thread and you did start a sentence with "Gaming aside"... that´s taking "convenience" to a extreme level.
But i think by now you understand my point, i just think most people ruin the experience, either of gaming, working, watching a movie or tv series, just because of "convenience", and i would not do that.
But yeah to each his own, for me i don´t think a 4K LCD on a 17" laptop is the way to go, yet, specially since you´re paying a huge amount of money to play games with top performance, i will say QHD looks just spot on if the LCD quality is "good", anything above that and the resolution is less important.
And yes, I´m also afraid that now everyone will judge the LCD quality by the resolution, like it happens in so many other things, and i´m afraid that we will be forced to adopt 4K just because it´s a client demand, and well, we need to sell so if there´s demand offer must be made.
For the ones in doubt, nothing like laying the options side by side and trying them all out. For gaming, first check response time and frequency range, then color quality, then brightness, then get it in the resolution you enjoyed best.
Let´s all be reminded that there are "Gaming" laptops coming out with 5 year old, IPS G-SYNC 30+ms response time @ 60hz with brutal amounts of bleed.... well... such wow, much gaming, very sad, i would be more focused on those numbers for now.

 

That is the only Alienware bezel/display I've ever liked.

 

Slight tweaks have lead to slight tweaks to take advantage where possible.

 

I assume you use the DP1.3 ports for your external monitors. Do you use DP1.3 cables for that to drive at >60Hz. If I am right DP1.2 cables would be a bottleneck correct?

 

what external monitor? I don't use anything external, neither a screen nor keyboard

 

Oh ok. so you use the laptop display only.

Any idea whether old cables would work for an external G-Sync 4k 144Hz monitor?

 

I have 0 experience with external screens buddy

 

I don't think there is any difference, though a shorter high quality cable is going to get the best results.

 

What's the difference between
P870DM3 and
P870KM1/P870KM1-G

 

KM model has Z270 chipset and one more M.2 slot

 

What @Prema said...plus the KM1 comes either with or without G-Sync, hence the -G or no G.

 

You are really a believer on the P870DM, you are investing much time and money to keep it a live for longer time, is it really worth?