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The answer will depend somewhat on what type of drives you are considering putting in RAID 0. It would also help to know your model and specifications being considered.

 

How about 2 512 samsung evo m.2 ssd in raid 0? Or should I just by a single 1 tb 960 pro version?

 

never had a problem with it unless I was doing crazy overclocks testing new setting. Once you find a stable clock speed / voltages, it's fine

 

Not really for the gaming.. it's not a game changer there. I'm not sure about your design software though.
I'm personally a fan of raid 0 whenever possible . Just make your backup images as often as you need and you'll be good.

 

raid0 real difference only shows over a single device is when transferring file, or doing a bunch of thing high threaded or at higher queue depth (4+), like gaming on few vmware plus doing something else.

 

There is probably not much difference between the two in RAID I would imagine.

 

Just before the final max fan there is a high level but not nearly as loud, that one. It's about 20-25C hotter than max fans.

 

Given that choice, I would get the 1TB 960 Pro.

 

And he will have a spare ssd slot for later needs

 

The market leaders are talking to each others . how are you Mr. Donald hope that everything is going well

Sent from my Mobile phone.

 

Yes, the Pros are better for RAID due to their MLC NAND Memory vs the EVO's TLC NAND as MLC NAND is more reliable and has better endurance

 

Then again for the average user the 3d NAND TLC will last a life time

 

by the way guys, on the P870KM1, what if one installs the GeForce driver and GSYNC doesn't show up in the nVIDIA control panel?

 

If you have gsync GPUs and a gsync enabled BIOS with a gsync screen and gsync does not show up, you probably need to yell at nVidia nVidrosoft

 

What do you think stops Clevo from having an NBD warranty of sorts? Seems like a pretty reasonable service given the circumstance, especially considering the cost of these machines, even if the manufacturer might lose money. Hell, if I ran a company like this then I'd find a way to make sure everyone who would experience downtime had a replacement on its way asap that was spec'd out at least as good as what they ordered; IMO, it's the manufacturer's responsibility to make sure the customer doesn't have to spend any more time or money on a system that should already be in the customer's hands and running, regardless of what that takes or how inconvenient it might be for the manufacturer.

Good to know; I'll have to check the fit when my KM1 arrives and see if I can throw some CLU on there. I was pretty excited to get it in, but now I'm mostly anxious lol.

Thanks for the info! Confirmed: outrageous temps. Well then...kind of defeats the purpose of even shipping it with a heat sink at all haha. It's almost impressive how Foxcomm let that out of QC; that's an entirely new level of poor quality control for me .

Nice writeup; thanks for the link.

Lmao. I thought my M18x r1 went through some s**t. Sounds like quite the tank you have over there

 

...you...you have your KM1 already?

 

Bro @Phoenix Jumped on BGA

 

tried all drivers bro, latest hotfix and latest WHQL, no go

Prema confirmed it is a GSYNC GPU by looking at the GPU-Z

this is not my laptop, it's my friends'

 

Yes, but I'm saying, if the BIOS is correct, the screen is correct & supported in the BIOS and the GPUs are indeed G-Sync, then the problem lies with drivers.

 

The BIOS is:

BIOS v1.05.02
EC Firmware is 1.05.01

I don't know how to get him a more updated BIOS

@Larry@LPC-Digital do you have a later BIOS for the KM1?

 

It's simple. Clevo is an ODM. They are like Foxcomm, or Compal. They don't do warranty for end users. They sell in bulk to businesses. You want NBD warranty? You have to get it from a seller. If someone like HID was big enough, I'm sure they'd love to offer NBD worldwide.

Welcome to Foxcomm!

might be Clevo's screwup with the sBIOS this time, haha

 

typical Clevo Swiss Cheese

@Prema

 

My order is still stuck at Pending Review. Le sigh

 

you think you're cute?

 

It will be a few more weeks before they actually ship. I dont think they have received the systems yet.

 

Yeah, it would be tough for a retailer to offer something like that. It just seems like Clevo could set up something to take care of issues that they could have fixed before the product left their facility, at no cost to the user. I just don't like the idea of getting used to companies not holding themselves accountable, but my rant is over; thanks for entertaining it

 

Was just a joke I'll dismiss myself from this thread now. Sorry.

 

I was just kidding man. People know me here I'm sarcastic / serious sometimes

PS: Where did you order it from?

 

The EVOC P870KM1 is in, but has not completed its testing, and working out a few bugs.

 

ooooo. I stand corrected.

 

Haha whoops. I've been playing too much League of Legends, lately; I have to remember not everyone is so damn capricious.

HID. They've been great to work with, especially considering that I'm an incredibly high maintenance customer lol. I've just been going through withdrawal for the last 3 months or so since I haven't had a computer.

 

What I know about @Phoenix, it will be a temp move until he find something super from the LGA, maybe the next Tornado 17" I guess.

 

Yes definitely... Because BGA is not good for the health in the long run. A good keyboard, can not replace socket hardware!! You get just sick, depressed and this will result in a high risk of diarrhea with accompanying vomit.

Spoiler: BGA is not good for the health in the long run

Just the thought can make you sick!!

 

you are right my friend. until I can get a proper keyboard in a 17 inch beast, I'll be on this MSI GT73VR Titan Pro

 

So sorry we do not. The last I checked, things are in the testing phase. Wish I knew more.

 

please do let me know if you are able to get GSYNC to work in your testing

cheers

 

Guys, I almost ordered my p870km-g with 1x1080, one last thing to settle - screen - it's 60 Hz g-sync or 2k 120hz nvsr(what is this? Can't find anything about it). I like playing games like Dota, mby some bf1. On screen tests I don't see much difference. I think about going 60 hz g-sync and eventually oc it to 75hz. Any suggestions ?

120hz screen will cost me at least 200 euro more - i already crossed my budget for it;/

 

what sort of speeds would 2 x 2.5" HDD's get in raid 0 for read/write? The 2.5" bays are Sata III - right?

Trying to decide if i do go for the KM what to put in those 2 x 2.5" bays - HDD's or SSD's.

SSD's dont give me the write endurance i think i would need for video work. I think HDD's will be very slow.

Only possible thing that might at help a bit is 2 x 2.5" HDD's in raid 0. But not sure what only 2 x HDD's will do in Raid 0.

Certainly the more spindles the faster it goes (at least up to SATA III bottle neck speeds) but we only have the chance of 2 x HDD spindles so dont think it would be great - but i could be wrong.

Anyone here know ?

 

Not worth enough to RAID. Take it from someone who has raided 7200RPM SATA 3 HDDs before.

SSDs if you can afford the good ones.

You could use Samsung 850 Pros. Pretty sure the write endurance will be there.

It won't help, it won't be worth it, it'll still be very slow, don't bother with this. Plus if you have the bankroll you can toss 4TB of 850 Pro SSD storage in those two slots, as opposed to the only 2TB of 7200RPM HDD storage that those slots will hold.

 

Thanks D2.

Its what i thought - not enough spindles to make it worthwhile.

The only way to do it then is SSD - so will look for high TBW rating.

There are 8TB 2.5" SSd's just come out - but most likely not priced for normal people. Maybe in 10 years.

 

If you want to render and record to the drives, just get 850 Pro Samsung drives. There's no alternative. They'll last you.

 

SamsungV-NAND technology is built to handle 300 terabytes written (TBW),*which equates to a 40 GB daily read/write workload over a 10-year period.Plus, it comes with the industry's top-level 10-year limited warranty.

** 850 PRO 128/256 GB: 150 TBW, 512 GB/1 TB/2 TB: 300 TBW**

That a pretty low TBW rating.

as an example of whats out there ;

2.5" Sata III SSD drives

Kingston (960GB) HyperX Savage ; Total Bytes Written (TBW) 681TB 0.66 DWPD

Crucial MX300 (2TB) Total Bytes Written (TBW) 400TB

M2 Pci-e NVME

My digitalSSD BPX 480GB 500GB Mainstream Total Bytes Written (TBW) 1400TB

****The MyDigitalSSD BPX 480GB delivers a massive 1,400 TBW, which is the highest endurance rating of any consumer SSD on the market.*****


But in any case the point is, SSD's raided into RAID0 is the only way to go when only have 2 x 2.5" bays available.

I am leaning towards the KM at this point. How long before they start shipping?

 

Except for that guaranteed 1400TBW rating, ignore TBW guarantees for most SSDs. Excepting Intel, most SSDs will go far beyond their TBW rating. Over a petabyte has been done on non-3D-V-NAND SSDs from Samsung and such. And those were just ~250GB drives. An existing 2TB 850 Pro I'm actually certain could do a solid few Petabytes, probably 10PB isn't out of the question. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8239/update-on-samsung-850-pro-endurance-vnand-die-size

Note that a 256GB 840 Pro managed to write 2.4PB before giving up the ghost, and that's just plain 2D NAND and a small drive, 3D V-NAND and 8 times the drive size should actually give up at least 16 times the writes, or, using a threshold for 2PB on average for 840 pros of that size, 32PB of writes per 2TB 850 Pro.

If you want to raid that's on you, I don't see much need for it. Make sure your OS and paging file is on some drive OTHER than what you are writing to, as well. It goes faster.

 

The P870KM1 Drivers are up now

 

flash dont usually die in SSD, the controller does way before flash. intel and samsung has longest history and by far more reliable controller that last, especially intel as they make cpu, chipset, wifi modules/ and bunch of other stuff related to controller you can think of.

u'll prob never hit those TBW as something on PCB will likely fail, that or the controller.

 

video work is HUGE amounts of data to be handled - its far from a normal workload. My use is not gaming at all. As i said before, for video editing laptops get a gaming laptop.

But lets see. I am thinking to start with 256 or 512GB to see how it goes and adjust from there.

The point of RAID0 is write speeds. Fast writing is essential with 4K video.

 

If you intend to use the SSD for scratch space then the Samsung pro series is the one to go for.

 

the samsung - because of latency ?

 

@Meaker@Sager may have his own advice, but in a case like yours, I think choosing the Pro edition makes sense in terms of write cycle durability.

 

I have two long posts explaining why 850 Pro is the best choice. Why are you asking why?