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Why would you use an internal capture card when Turing NvENC exists?

 

What is that ?

 

I want card for video capture for video input

 

The mounting holes could be an issue.

 

Sound Board overheating problem - final thoughts

As some of you might remember - i had problems with extremely hot soundboard. Coudlnt diagnose it by myself with following steps - different bioses, stock bios, different software etc. Nothing worked. Than i left my machine in hands of "professionals". They couldnt tell what is problem. So last step for me was to order brand new Sound board and check if it would fix issue.

Unfortunately it is same - or worse. Hard to say. I guess i will have to live with it to the point when it decides to die. At this point i leaning that it might be motherboard problem. I found few topics that this issue was noticed in various laptops - asus, alienware etc.

Writing this to let possible future victims be aware that there is no point in swapping sound board.

 

how weird is that

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Hi,

Is the GPU in the P870TM-R upgradeable or is soldered on the motherboard?

 

Socketed, not soldered, so it is user upgradeable. Whether it is "upgradeable" to future generation boards is not yet known.

 

Yes physically possible but mounting positions, board availability and firmware issues are never known.

 

Thank you.

Is there any known reason why Clevo never officially released an update version of the P870 chasis to accommodate for the 2000 series?

 

Because there is no SLI due to the lack of mobile NvLink. The P870 was a dual GPU chassis.

 

Also nvidia wont allow a 80 ti series mobile card.

 

Makes sense. Let's hope for a mobile release real soon.

 

Hi,

I don't understand.

Even for the 1000 series, there was SLI mode available for the 60/70/80 versions.

 

Pascal didn’t have real SLI on the 1060 and below, only 1070 and above. He’s talking about the bigger 102 dies such as the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti, which are only on desktops. Mobile tops out at 104 die (1070-1080, 2080). Although with the new laptop Quadro RTX 6000 (TU102) in Nvidia’s reference design laptops here’s hoping that policy will change soon.

 

You mean some sort of multi-support for GPUs in mobile systems?

 

No, I meant a mobile RTX 2080 Ti.

 

Okay. I hope so too.

Is SLI officially dead for mobile devices?

 

As of the current GPU generation, yes.

 

No signs of a revival of SLI in general, they are playing it down more and more.

 

It really does seem that way. And from looking at the Clevo 2020 stuff I wouldn't hold my breath for it to come back any time soon.

 

Exactly, no time soon I can see.

 

Can anyone share a picture of the Vapor Chamber inside P870TM-R?

 

I don't think so about it.. Sli is definitely dead for mobile sector like notebooks.

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Is the same as p870tm1-g - model name P870TM-R is only renamed because someone sell P870TM-G with modifications like rtx 2070/2080 and modified heatsink and bios. Still is the same virgin 'p870tm-g'

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I'm guessing it's more about the improved cooling

 

I understand. Do you have a picture of the Vapor Chamber?

 

Many of the resellers I have spoken to have said buying a binned/delidded 9900 because one can never experience the full potential of the chip because of the limitations of the P870/P775:

The 9900K, in a Desktop PC, with a Z-Series motherboard, and half decent VRM & CPU cooling, would hit 4.7Ghz on all cores, typically.

In a laptop like this, it will likely drop below this frequency under heavy loads. Exactly where it sits would depend on too many factors to give you a definitive answer.

With the thermal paste you have requested you stand the highest probability of achieving this frequency, though ironically if the thermal pads are more effective than the default ones, this will potentially negatively impact CPU performance because you are introducing more heat to the heatpipes from other components like VRMs, which would reduce the capacity for the CPU/GPU and therefore potentially reduces their performance.

Though, at least in theory, doing what you’re doing provides the best probability of having a long term reliable system if you keep the VRM etc components cooler.

i.e. I’m explaining that increasing thermal transfer away from the components doesn’t increase the thermal capacity of the cooling hardware and in this laptop you are restricted in performance by the thermal capacity of the cooling hardware, not anything else.

According to Intel’s spec, it is possible for the CPU to drop as low as 3.6Ghz on all cores and this is still seen as a ‘pass’ on this CPU.

As a company, during our testing, we’re not really happy with this CPU if it drops below 4.0Ghz on all cores in a laptop like this, so it would likely pass above this frequency, depending on the cooling.

The above would also only apply when the laptop is plugged into the wall. When on battery power, the CPU will drop its frequency more often and to lower frequencies under load using the default settings.

To the P870/P775 owners, what maximum speeds (on all cores) have you reached with the 9900, when benchmarking. Were the temperatures respectable?

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4028585_johnksss_cinebench___r11.5_core_i9_9900k_25.11_points

https://hwbot.org/submission/418172...e_geforce_gtx_1080_(notebook_mxm)_23874_marks

 

im capped at 4.6 ghz all cores due to VRMs / power delivery. temp wise everything is fine

@Papusan what are your 24/7 clocks, esp. when it comes to heavy loads?

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8x4.2 are my everyday clocks and it runs cooler than 4x4.2 with my previous 7700K - here some more data.
So we can all say it's the same lithography, milking and Intel bad but there still is a massive progress.
I say go for it and worry later

 

4.2 should be doable at a really low voltages

 

very good input! its true, the power consumption and temps in my case are basically the same at 8x4.6 ghz as before with my 7700K at 4.8 ghz everyday clocks. we are talking about a few watts difference here...

so at 92% performance boost by specs alone we have basically identical power consumption and temps.... on the same lithography. so yeah, those "14+++" denominations arent just smoke and mirrors

 

Some of that will depend on loading, games may be similar but a true multi thread workload and the 8 core will blast past the 4 core in power.

 

Very true. Depending on the application and workload, you can blast 5G all day.

 

Thanks.

What Clevo model do you own and what temperatures did your system hit when running these benchmarks?

 

What temperatures does your system run at when all cores are locked on 4.2Ghz?

 

Is that P775 or P870 with the Vapor Chamber?

 

yea 14nm++ is decent, also that last 100-200mhz does use up quite a bit more power though. kinda like 1.15v to 1.25v difference.

 

Makes no difference.

 

Will it make a difference with the temperatures?

 

Yes but either would run cool at 4.2Ghz, it's a low target.

 

Be more specific (e.g. in my previously linked post with AIDA temps) and I will check them for you.

 

Thank you.

Does your company offer international shipping?

 

Yes we do and can estimate it during configuration.

 

Hi,

I have more questions. Is it okay if I drop you a PM?

 

Generally it's better to keep them on the forum so I don't get a bunch of duplicates.

 

Okay.

1) Do you sell the P870?
2) Do you offer an OC service for the CPU & GPU?

 

No on both counts, the p870 is officially discontinued by Clevo.

 

Check out HIDevolution, I can whole heartily recommend them. They still offer the P870TM1 with the vapor chamber and undervolted + overclocked out the box with Prema bios. And ship internationally.

@Donald@HIDevolution is a great guy, who can answer any questions you may have.