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waiting on that 9900ks upgrade. as per tom's hardware's test on their golden sample, they run 5.2ghz at 180w vs 9900k 5ghz at 200w. seems like a nice upgrade for anyone who wish to push it, its gonna be a bunch of nice binned chips.

@Papusan @Johnksss

you guys getting one?

 

Lower power draw indeed looks interesting. For me it's hard to justify buying the KS when you have a decent P0 sample.
But for people upgrading from 7700/8700k might be a worth while investment.

Other review embargos for the 9900KS are up in ~9 days.

Edit:

This video is still relevant for the 9900KS

 

Have already an ok 9900K and I will put my money on new machine.

 

It's hard to justify even over the 8086k.

 

The performance difference from a 8700k to a 9900k in terms of gaming is minimal. Not worth it. I went for the 8700k because of that (upgraded from the 6700k)

 

Let's hope there are still a few more surprises left for the LGA1151.

 

Or a launch of an actually competitive process and healthy AMD vs Intel competition would be good.

 

Not to mention the pricing, especially in Scandinavia.
Over here the 9900KS costs 4990DKK, which is ~ 746$. While the 9900K, is at 3829DKK ~571$ at the moment. YIKES!

I paid 3889DKK ~580$ back in May, for my boxed version.

 

Sounds like shops taking advantage to me.

 

nah thats just the usual scandinavian tax and price premium *lol* they pay hefty extras for everything incl. food, housing, clothing, etc... but then again, salaries are also pretty nice to match

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Yeah, that's 25% tax on everything for ya. And it seems that only top 3% of the 9900KS can even hit 5.2 at a reasonable voltage. For only $1199.99

 

Where they charge 100$ for guaranteeing you wont get a better sample?

 

Might have something to do with the 1 year warranty that Intel sets for the 9900KS.
Electronics have a forced 2 year warranty in Denmark, perhaps we're paying for that and the inherent tax.

 

Their site states a 1 year warranty.

 

Yes, indeed. But our country forces a 2 year warranty, so if they wish to sell it here, up goes the price for 2 year warranty.

 

Hard to enforce that internationally.

 

That's why the KS is 700'ish bucks here.

 

I think it's more about availability and currency exchange rates. Small countries outside US often pay excessive prices.

 

I'd rather not go bankrupt with a broken leg though so swings and roundabouts.

 

"Der8auer offers two years of “King Mod Warranty” – likely because the EU makes it mandatory for any reseller to offer two years of warranty on its products, even if the factory warranty is less"
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/Der8auer-5.3GHz-Core-i9-9900KS-Germany-binned-processor-overclock

 

He is based in the EU however so that's different. I was talking about the dollar price of a 9900ks in the us being offered with a 1 year warranty for $100 extra for a sample that will have been filtered from the best ones and achieves a clock that all chips hit.

 

prob getting one and sell 8700k along with eurocom's bios but so far they only support up to the KF cpus. waiting on the bios for 128GB of ram too.

either go all in or go all new desktop, if eurocom's bios doesn't get out in time for me to grab a good 9900ks then desktop it is. optane dimm!

 

So Eurocom is engaged in fraud/scam?

 

not sure about the TB3 disabled, thats what they told me as well which imo is non sense maybe @Prema can share some light. it should just be a microcode update telling the cpu to accept 128GB of ram. they telling me something to do with resources been shared to free up for extra 64GB of ram which doesnt make a lot of sense, the guy i talked to doesnt sound exactly sure either but since I dont need TB3 it wont matter to me.

that $2k lmao, ebay shows $600-650 so yeah. getting it just for their bios and getting ram else where, same with 9900KS.

dont get the next clevo bro, slow, hot 10 cores cpu. better wait for icelake or tigerlake arch on 10nm+++ or wait for it backported to 14nm+++.

 

Hopefully you get a decent KS sample.

 

theres one on caseking for 5.3ghz for 1.39v but i think its about the same quality as 5.2 at 1.325 on SL. honestly i probably wouldn't go caseking because they also mentioning +/- 30mv which is not as precise as SL's 5.2 samples.

we'll see though, all up to eurocom if they can get the bios out for 9900ks, if not then going mobile desktop.

 

Is that 5.3G with a silver IHS like on the older 8700k they sell?

 

no. also forgot to mention that caseking's 5.3 probably already delided with liquid metal because the IHS isn't stock (unless they use old picture) while SL's 5.2ghz isn't delided yet so its still using solder. if SL's sample were to delid + liquid metal it should be superior by a bit which make sense the extra cost as they go by percentage.

 

You do get a decent gain from the delid but the power cost for that extra 100MHz does get insane.

 

Especially above 5Ghz, the sheer amount of heat becomes ludicrous.

 

Here I am trying to get clocks higher then 4.4GHz with decent temps and you guys over there are trying to get 5.3GHz. :'(

 

If anyone manages to run 5.3Ghz in a Clevo with their 9900K/KS, it would just be for benching. Temperatures and power requirements at that speed are riding the limit both thermally and power delivery wise.

 

5Ghz still is going to be hard with 4.7 to 4.8 being a bit more reasonable.

 

I know, I'm just being stupid. I wish I could do 4.7ghz at 80C but I can't.

 

It takes a good amount of work to get 5Ghz with reasonable temps. And I agree, 4.7/4.8Ghz is much easier to get and the temperatues are a lot more manageable. Plus, the actual gaming difference is negligible from 4.7/5Ghz.

 

Every 100mhz gets so expensive power wise.

 

the point of getting a good chip is so that you can get maybe 200mhz more out of it vs a bad one and still get similar temperature. or you can choose not to have extra 200mhz but have quite a bit lower temp, gives choices which this 870tm cpu heatsink helps eject choice.

 

Yes, a better binned volt/freq would allow that with the KS. However, you could also be lucky and have a golden 9900K P0 chip that does 5Ghz at low voltage

I'm looking forward to see how far you can push the KS @ole!!!

 

$1250 with delid from SL isn't cheap. in CAD thats around $1600 which I can get good parts with very good desktop for example zen2 16 cores + mobo + a desktop mid range desktop GPU. but i'll let you know if i do get one.

 

Do it!...



...na I hear you, the sun is setting on clevo p870. It’s AMD’s time in the sun...

 

Depends what you are doing at the moment. Plus even if CPUs get 20% faster the p870 is not suddenly obsolete.

 

20%? i'd consider that obsolete. CFL is only around 15% faster than ivybridge in terms of IPC for some legacy workload. with faster frequency and only 15% IPC i can really feel the difference, especially when browsing.

golden cove is said to have 30% IPC over CFL so that is gonna be a decent upgrade, assuming it does come in 2021 with at least close to 5ghz.

 

Looks like about 22% faster clock-per-clock in CB R15:

 

Oh don’t get me wrong, my last clevo lasted me 5 years and is still trucking in a lesser role. This one will be fine for me into 2025 I hope. It’s just that upgrades may no longer be feasible for it fairly soon.... I bought a 9700k because I had to replace the cpu, but I wouldn’t upgrade again unless forced to...

 

this one from Ian at anandtech also at 3Ghz, even with DDR3 shows less than 20%. assuming the chart is DDR4, some numbers seems off.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/9
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/9483/01 - Gains over Sandy.png

Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge: Average ~5.8% Up
Ivy Bridge to Haswell: Average ~11.2% Up
Haswell to Broadwell: Average ~3.3% Up
Broadwell to Skylake (DDR3): Average ~2.4% Up
Broadwell to Skylake (DDR4): Average ~2.7% Up

 

I thought you were talking about Ivy Bridge?

Anyway Broadwell has an ace up its sleeve, which is the huge L4 cache. A 4.2GHz i7-5775C can actually beat a 5GHz i7-7700K in most games: https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,38

 

Performance is going to vary between each application due to arch changes.

 

yea i was talking about ivy

the bolded text was a copy paste from anandtech's website rofl.

 

Lapped the 9900k even further, had 1 core being -10c colder than the rest from my last attempt.
The chip is VERY thin now, way thinner than the 8086k I compared it to whilst lapping. Now pairing it with a 4.37mm tall copper ihs there were further improvements on temperatures, allowing for further undervolt.

I would argue that doing the same to a KS would result in a relatively "cool" 5Ghz 8-core CPU.

 

Temp deltas, please?