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    *** Official Clevo P870TM-R Owner's Lounge - Phoenix 5 ***

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    Don't think that includes SODIMM modules, since I can't see my 4000Mhz b-die kit on there. Single ranked modules are 8gb, dual ranked are 16gb.
    Single ranked modules, from my experience, tend to be easier for IMC to push.
     
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    Single rank certainly is easier for the IMC to handle. Double ranking is a bit like dual Simms per channel in the extra noise and load.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Feb 11, 2020
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    I recall BuildZoid talking about memory ranks and topologies, where dual rank would always lag around 200Mhz behind it's single rank cousin.
     
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    Another split trace with more ringback and a higher load will do that.
     
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    I use 3000 MHz Corsair RAM, which was working in my old P775 and the P870TM-R out of the box smoothly. When ordering new modules, I'd go for 3200 CL16/18 as well.

    The SSDs in the model sit below the keyboard. There is no ample space, and actually I have been using mine without an additional cooler so far, and didn't have issues.

    The Obsidian control is a must with the P775 on Windows IMHO, for Linux there are several open source tools that do the same.
    My P870TM-R performs much better in this respect, actually the stock fan settings already ran pretty quiet on Windows, and with the clevo control center, there is the possibility to control the fan curve to some extent.
    Obsidian certainly has more options. You can also just try with the stock control and upgrade to Obsidian if needed.
     
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    3200 or 3000, depending on price and availability. Either works well.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Feb 17, 2020
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    A 3200Mhz CL16 is a nice kit. Especially, when it has that 3200Mhz XMP profile, for easy plug and play experience.

    Contrary to the 4000Mhz kit that I have. It has only 1 XMP profile for 4000Mhz CL19. That is only certified for x99 boards. Meaning, I have to manually test and tune the primary, secondary and tertiary timings by hand. If I want to run anything close to decent timings instead of the JEDEC garbage at 2400 that it defaults to.
     
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    Only thing I wish I knew before was how to couple the paired sticks with the 4 dimms. Since they work in a funny way.
     
    jc_denton, Mar 25, 2020
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    Nice it has that to at least boot I suppose :p
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 27, 2020
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    For x99 yes, I never had it boot with XMP on the p870. And I kinda have a feeling that it might also set the VCCSA/VCCIO to stupid high values with 4000mhz XMP.
     
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    Factory memory is always a bit weird on voltages as the speeds go up.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 28, 2020
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    Especially if they set SA to like 1.5v, now that's bad news.
     
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    XMP is also limited in terms of how much data can be stored into the profiles, leaving a decent amount of legwork for the board itself to figure out.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 12, 2020
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    It's an old system by this point, with DDR5 it would be nice to get a more robust system.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 12, 2020
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    Going to be interesting when we get ram incorporated into the cpu package itself.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 13, 2020
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    Will we see that given how different requirements for ram are?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 13, 2020
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    Not today, and probably not tomorrow. But down the line this is something that's likely coming.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 13, 2020
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    Maybe, though having no ability to expand would suck.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 14, 2020
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    [​IMG]

    They'll likely sell the packages with preset memory loadouts.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 16, 2020
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    That sucks for manufacturers as it increases the parts produced and you have to be sure how many of each you will sell.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 16, 2020
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    Graphics cards have been doing this segmention for years.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 16, 2020
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    2 SKUs is one thing but on a motherboard you have each ram amount, CPU and GPU sometimes on there, you can have 12-24 different variants if ram is limited. We will see the number of available configs shrink if that happens. Want more ram? You'll need the I7 too.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 17, 2020
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    2070 has like 5 different mobile SKUs atm, so it's not like it's too far fetched.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 17, 2020
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    Yeah but one single manufacturer can choose to use one of them.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 17, 2020
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  25. jc_denton

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    One SKU to rule them all.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 23, 2020
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    One SKU to not quite suit anyone ;)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 23, 2020
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    hemachayart Notebook Guru

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    How can I use both LAN ports? I noticed only left port that working.
     
    hemachayart, Apr 24, 2020
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    Are both Ethernet adapters showing up under the network pane/device manager?
     
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    No, only one LAN in there
     
    hemachayart, Apr 24, 2020
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    If you're on Win10, try going into Settings > Network & Internet > Network reset
     
    jc_denton, Apr 24, 2020
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    Thanks will try
     
    hemachayart, Apr 24, 2020
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    No luck upload_2020-4-24_21-8-9.png
     
    hemachayart, Apr 25, 2020
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    Hi there! Can one of you owners confirm whether or not the display connector on thr motherboard is the same one in my PB50EF-G? I'm looking for a 4K 120hz capable display cable and this reseller I've found only has them for the P750, P775 and P870.
    20200415_165508.jpg
     
    TheUberMedic, Apr 25, 2020
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    Strange, not sure whether it might be disabled by windows. Try going into Device manager > View > Show hidden devices > Network adapters and see if it's under there as disabled.
     
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    Nothing in hidden, any of you having any issue?
     
    hemachayart, Apr 26, 2020
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    Were the drivers pre installed on the system? I've seen strange things happening when installing both the Killer Driver suite and LAN drivers.
     
    jc_denton, Apr 26, 2020
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    Haha you remove kill suit because last time faced the same my cpu usage was shooting and fan was running like hell. So remove the killer to kill issue


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    NIGHTMARE, Apr 26, 2020
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    I opened the laptop, try to see if I can do something. I decided to replace Killer wifi AC to intel AX200. Closed the case and turn it on.
    Damn, Ethernet now has two working. Happy.
     
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  40. jc_denton

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    Well, that did somehow solved it, lol. Glad you figured it out.
     
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    I wonder if the drivers got corrupted and were messing with the network stack.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 26, 2020
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    Yes, the killer driver was using too much CPU that reason i uninstall the driver and then default the drivers install by windows are working fine. I was half sleep yesterday night


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    NIGHTMARE, Apr 26, 2020
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    I think somehow remove killer wifi make it see both ethernet. Now I install intel AX200 wifi 6, future proof.
     
    hemachayart, Apr 27, 2020
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    I've managed to at least get my full broadband speed out of my AC router at around 42MB/sec, but yeah at some point will need to do an upgrade.
     
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    Nice that's pretty fast, I'm wired up on that old school cabled Ethernet.
     
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    Hey guys, it is possible to remove 115W limit of RTX 2070 card? At least for 120-125W.. I have been looking for the whole threads for unlocking RTX cards, but havent found final answer if it is possible for clevo mxm card..
     
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    Shunt mod.
     
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    We do try and minimise wifi traffic, so TV, consoles etc are cabled in.
     
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    And as long as you can keep that thing cool. Otherwise limit the voltage and enjoy no clock fluctuation.
     
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    Voltage mods, shunt mods, liquid metal and pad adjustment. All works hand in hand ;)
     
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