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    *** Official Clevo PA71 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by LeiEn, May 19, 2018.

  1. scarletfever

    scarletfever Notebook Evangelist

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    Awesome, thanks. How are the thermals? That’s my only concern after reading the few threads here about this model.
     
  2. LeiEn

    LeiEn Notebook Geek

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    I'd say Viking's post from above is pretty accurate for ballpark temps with the LM application (which I have recommended as a must for this model). I've never experienced anything over 90C, and I wasn't undervolted and was still using Clevo's POS control center as opposed to the new Obsidian fan control software, which I hear is exponentially better.

    Bottom line is if you're going with the thin + light form factor, there's no way around the heat; these components squeezed into small chassis = lots of energy, so any model of the same ilk will have slightly better or slightly worse temps, but there's no magic solution yet. At least not until this monster gets let out of the cage and possibly starts a new engineering (r)evolution: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ROG-Mothership-GZ700/
     
  3. scarletfever

    scarletfever Notebook Evangelist

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    Makes sense. It’s unfortunate for me because I actually don’t care about thin and light, but there’s no other chassis with a 2070 and gsync in this price range, which doesn’t make sense to me.
     
  4. LeiEn

    LeiEn Notebook Geek

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    Nah, still too new. I imagine you're still a good 6 months out from any significant price drops. You may have to wait til Q4; the 20-series won't be as new to market, holiday sales will start up, and resellers will be looking to move product to make way for newer models.
     
  5. Meaker@Sager

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    Too new and too little competition.
     
  6. Tiber1337

    Tiber1337 Newbie

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    So I'm thinking of buying the PB71 cuz there are good deals on it now. However even tho I know the display is a AUO B173HAN03.1, I can't seem to find anywhere the REAL response time, some websites are telling me its 25ms which is hard to believe.

    Can you guys help me out here?
     
  7. vIkInG_w0w

    vIkInG_w0w Notebook Consultant

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    I don't remember where but I saw in a review that the panel has ~9ms response times.
    (Probably NBC, review of a different laptop with the same panel)
     
  8. nealios

    nealios Notebook Guru

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    Help needed please.
    Guys/gals, now it comes to summer, and temps in Europe are reaching 35c, I'm having problems with my powerspec pa71.

    I live in a non air conditioned apartment. So ambient temps are in the region of 28c -30c.

    I've started to get automatic shut downs while gaming. I cannot correlate the black screen shutdowns with temps, particular game or duration played.
    After letting it for a few mins, and boot up again, it takes me to the bios screen and cannot identify any of my 2 nvme or hdd. I press exit and reboot, then its a normal boot to windows.
    Other times it just boots to windows first time.

    Gaming: cpuid hwmonitor is reporting, both the cpu and gpu temps, steady 77c with Maxes up to 84c.

    Cooling: I've under volted the cpu by -110.4mV on throttle stop, and also have the obsidian pc control station, so everything is up to date. I have a 4 fan laptop cooler stand, and now have a desk fan pointed towards the back of the screen, so airflow is plentiful.
    Cleaned and repasted 3 months ago, with Phobya nano grease extreme. autoshutdowns
    I thought it was a dud paste, so 5 days ago I cleaned and repasted with Kryonaut. still autoshutdowns

    any body else experience auto shut downs?
    is it my nvme boot drive that's over heating?

    I've tried to find events logger to see if the over temp triggered, but none of the events say anything abnormal.

    sorry for the long winded post, but would appreciate any inputs.

    cheers
     
  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Have you got the back of the unit propped up slightly?
     
  10. nealios

    nealios Notebook Guru

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    temporary setup,
    4 fan laptop stand, standing pretty flush, only rubber feet lifting it.
    rear desk fan, on low, just to get air moving towards the intake.
    and spot fan, because my fingers getting toasty :)


    [​IMG]
     
  11. nealios

    nealios Notebook Guru

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    should i elevate it on top of the laptop cooler?
    the 2 coke bottle cap deal?
     
  12. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I would do that yes.
     
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  13. LeiEn

    LeiEn Notebook Geek

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    Probably a minor factor, but the fan you've got behind it may be circulating more hot air than it's dispersing, since the notebook fans are blowing outward in that direction and that airflow is getting pushed back in the opposite direction. It may make little difference to place it to the right/left or behind you to assist in more efficiently getting the heat away from the unit, but it's worth trying out. Unfortunately external cooling can only do so much; high ambient temps are a definite pain in the ass when it comes to keeping temps down. You might want to consider something like this if room-AC isn't available:
    https://amzn.to/2JfxqIL

    (though swamp coolers of any size inherently create humidity which is never beneficial for electronics, but if you live in a place with dry heat it probably wouldn't cause too much of an issue as long as it's not directly next to it)

    Lol @ the finger fan...I ended up buying a bluetooth keyboard and external monitor since I'll use them when I can go back to a desktop setup anyway, but they certainly help in keeping hands cool and laptop smudge free! ;D
     
  14. nealios

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    possibly, however, both fans vent differently. the right side exhausts to the rear and intakes from the right.
    whereas the left side, exhaust to the left and intakes from the rear. so the desk fan is trying to feed the left side rear intake sorta thing.

    also, thanks for the link, i was previously looking into portable a/c unit. humidity should be that big of an issue here.

    lol, thanks, yeah no external peripherals for me, just toasty fingers lol. thanks again for your input.
     
  15. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Most blower fans draw in from above and below and extract out the sides. Have you used a piece of paper to see if the side is an intake (despite what marketing shots have shown).
     
  16. ceramicool

    ceramicool Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello,

    I Have Sager NP8375:
    What is the last version of CC 2.0 do you use for our model?
    At clevo website it is 1.0. 41 and it is working correctly, but the last version which I could find 1.0.78 - it is not working properly, the loading of gpu and cpu is very high (about 30%), so the fans are very loud.... Why I want to use this version it is because fan profile can adjust it manually to 100%, instead of 1.0.41 only 80%

    I will try version 1.0.75 from prostar website.
    It is possible to adjust fan start for gpu? It is starting from 50% when the temperature is above 40c!!!!! It is stupid situation, I become nervous.....

    Last question - it was any updates of bois for our model?
    Best regards
     
  17. Meaker@Sager

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    Pop in a support ticket for the latest firmware and to confirm the software availability.
     
  18. ceramicool

    ceramicool Notebook Enthusiast

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    Already done.
    I found the cause of the problem - it is the animation of fans spinning at main display of CCC version 1.78...
    Animation is lower than in version 1.41 or earlier - so CPU and GPU are not loading high....

    Strange situation but it is fact
     
  19. Mashreef Ahmed

    Mashreef Ahmed Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi, can this machine pull full 3.9ghz 6core without throttling for an extended period of time?
     
  20. tonykaluga1

    tonykaluga1 Newbie

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    Hi man! I ve read your review on Clevo_ PA71ES-G, and durin the discuss you said:

    I didn't spring for the pads after looking into what they were and determining they were a pretty minor addition, but the LM makes a huge difference.

    What is LM ??? Im a foreign boy and didnt get it, plz explain what you meant. Also i rly want to know your opinion about effective system cooling, sure you have some tricks to make clevo more quite. Plz share your expirience ).
     
  21. Meaker@Sager

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    LM = Liquid metal

    It's a mix of metals that are liquid at room temperature (not mercury though).
     
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  22. LeiEn

    LeiEn Notebook Geek

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    Hey man - As @Meaker@Sager said succintly, LM = Liquid Metal. You'll often see it listed as 'thermal compound' or 'thermal paste' for CPU + GPU cooling upgrades when building a custom notebook (i.e., IC Diamond, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, etc). Highly recommended for any high-performance build.

    Beyond a thermal compound and external fans, there's really not a lot you can do internally. Your best bet will be to make the ambient temperature of the room as cold as (comfortably) possible, since everything else is just circulating air, and that will only cool components so much.

    It's funny too because it seems like all the manufacturers just keep stuffing more powerful guts inside increasingly thinner chassis', but cooling technology still hasn't taken the big leap that all the hardware has...

    Considering ~80-90C during heavy load gaming sessions is still the norm for (most) notebooks, I look forward to the day when I can upgrade into powerful & portable that doesn't feel like I can cook an egg with it.
     
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    Hard to take leaps forwards in physics, like batteries.
     
  24. tonykaluga1

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    Thanks a lot for answer. All is clear ))
     
  25. cgltower

    cgltower Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi - anyone know if this laptop's GPU can be upgraded? Ive got a 1080 in PA71ES-G, which is still good, but wondering if it can do:
    1660ti
    2070 or 2080 MAX or SUPER
    30xx mobile when it comes out?
     
  26. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    No, it's soldered in.
     
  27. cgltower

    cgltower Notebook Enthusiast

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    Aah thanks, I feared that. Interested to see when this class of lappy gets 3k/1440p @ 144hz or higher screen with reasonable (60FPS) RT capability. Maybe the 30xx mobile GPUs when they come out?
     
  28. LeiEn

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    Anybody have any idea where the Clevo installer is putting Control Center files? I've had 2.0 running since getting the machine since it's stable, if horribly designed, but the LED controller functionality resets itself every time after waking up since the latest Window update.

    Just tried to update to the latest release on the drivers page (v.5 point whatever supposedly), and after installing, it's nowhere to be found. 2.0 is counterintuitively in a generic folder called 'hotkey', but no idea where 'v 5' has gone...
     
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  29. Meaker@Sager

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    Well a somewhat lower TDP 3060ti would do decently still.
     
  30. Jeroen Nieuwenhuijzen

    Jeroen Nieuwenhuijzen Notebook Enthusiast

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    Question,

    Since today I have a external monitor wich can be used with USB-C (TBT) but somehow it doesnt work on my Clevo.
    My clevo recognised the USB (states USB > serial), monitor goes on but switches off after with "no signal".
    I installed Thunderbolt drivers and I see in Thunderbolt the USB comming up when the screen is powering on but going away when the screen goes in standby because no signal.

    I tested the screen on a macbook and it works instantly.
    Also on my Samsung phone and tab it works out of the box.

    Any ideas?

    p.s. I did a reinstall of Windows but that didn't fix it.
    Can someone help please? I need a external monitor for my work without having to use a powercord.
     
  31. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    What's the display, it depends on if it does DP over usb or is DP over thunderbolt.
     
  32. Jeroen Nieuwenhuijzen

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    It's a c-force cf016xt
    Hope you have enough with this info.

    Edit:
    Also tried over USB A 3.1 still the same, display boots but no signal.
    Connected it through a USB 3.0 ducking (docking has HDMI out) and it works with the HDMI cable so Clevo > usb a 3.1 > docking > hdmi > display.
    So the Clevo does send a display signal through USB. But somehow to weak signal through USB-C? Just guessing...
    Tried a extra power source to display but then I get a USB not recognized message in Windows. Also this isn't what I need because I need a mobile display wich can be powered from the Clevo.
     
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  33. Meaker@Sager

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    That screen needs display port over usb where as the laptop is DP over thunderbolt only.
     
  34. Jeroen Nieuwenhuijzen

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    So that means I need to buy another screen?
    How do I know wich one will work?
    And strange that is does work using a Targus ACP71eu dock though usb.

    Any recommandations for a portable 15,4" in screen that will work without a power source straight to the USB-C socket of the Clevo?
     
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