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I would like to install an Samsung 970 Evo plus 1TB NVMe ssd.

 

A thermal pad would likely be plenty.

 

I just ordered it last Sunday (with no rush build), still haven't heard anything from them yet. Probably gonna take a few weeks for it to arrive. So, when I do get the laptop, what stress test should I do? Since I want to make sure everything works within that 15 days return period. Is there like a list of tests/checks that I should do when I get the laptop?

 

Battlefield is a great real world test

 

So running that game, and checking for the CPU and GPU thermal and its FPS? I'm thinking of UnderVolting it as well, but I do wonder, is it really necessary to do that? I understand that it lowers the thermal but isnt that at a cost of performance? I am wondering why is it very important to lower the thermal from the default setting, is it because so that the machine would last longer?

 

Voltage is about stability and margin, it does not impact performance directly.

My 8086k at 5ghz is faster than most 8700k chips at 4.7ghz while using the same or less power.

 

Actually, I remember reading that they do somewhere here on NBC. I also read about another, more expensive reseller's testing procedure and was very impressed.

I think any more demanding games you have would be decent tests. The Witcher 3 and GTA 5 are personally the kind of thing I'd test with, but as Meaker said BFV is probably a good idea. Benchmarks are nice but real-world in-game data is by far the best kind of info we can have. I don't keep up much with newer games so if there's anything out there with very high graphics fidelity it would be interesting to see. We do have an idea of the ballpark 2070 laptops perform in though.

 

Yes the machines are tested before going out but shipping will cause issues that can hide from any stress testing.

 

Oh, so if I understand this correctly. Undervolting will give it a bit more thermal headroom, and in a case when there's a sudden need of extra power (like an explosion in-game with thousands of particles effect) this would make your game more stable in terms of fps since the system could boost itself for a bit due to the headroom? Is that why it is beneficial to UV?

 

That and even the peak draw is lower too.

 

I guess since nVidia gift the COD: Modern Warfare for any of their RTX cards, I could just use that game for the stress test right since it is a very new game (just found out its not even released yet and expected to be released on October 25th)

 

Well, they used to have 72 hour test stated on their website but not anymore
I've bought two laptops from them and both of them doa, one had battery issue (that was when they had the 72 hour thing on their website) and one would random shutdown after two days of receiving it (this one is very recent) so i don't think they stress test
I think they do test it but not stress test (depending how you define stress test)

 

It's expensive to ship out a machine back for repair, any sensible shop does a stress test.

 

Has anyone been able to get the Package CState to go below C0 on the pb5x series?

I see the cores reaching C9 when idle (in powersaving mode), but the package does not go lower than C0, and power consumption while fully idle doesn't drop below 10W, which is high, considering I also currently only have 1 stick of RAM installed and the display backlight is set to the minimum level.

It should be 6-8W, if not less.

If I let the display timer expire, the display turns off and after a few seconds of high power usage, power draw drops to 6W.

This is interesting because it is unlikely to only be because of the display.
Manually turning backlight off in Linux only decreases power draw by 0.8W (compared to min brightness setting).

So I suspect the 10->6W drop a few secs after the display turns off in Windows is due to some other HW component entering sleep state when the screen turns off.

The Intel GPU is only taking <0.2W on idle, according to HWInfo, so that shouldn't be it.
4W is a relatively big amount of power when idle... I wonder where the culprit might be.

I tried disabling all the unused HW and ports (webcam, bt, TB3, fingerprint reader...) in Windows device manager, but that didn't help (disabling the device doesn't necessarily imply turning it off, unfortunately).

In Linux idle power draw is 13W in idle (mon brightness) , 12W with screen backlight off.

The GPU is off (else idle consumption would be 30+W)

Does anyone have any idea what the culprit for high idle power usage might be?

As a comparison:
Alienware m15 (8750h, 2060, 2x4gb ram, 144hz auo80ed display) draws 7W iirc.
Lenovo p1 (8750h, p1000, 2x8gb ram) draws 5W.
Dell Precision 7530 (8750h, p2000, 2x16gb ram) draws 9W (we can assume 8W or less with only 1 stick of ram)

 

I will have to disagree with you there i had to pay for shipping back to gentech and it was a brand new sager but defective after 2 days
my other option is to request rma from sager for repair (not replacement) where sager will pay for shipping but in either case the reseller doesn't pay for shipping
and the interesting thing is that when they first shipped out the laptop the return address was sager's address not gentech

and another thing is that there was no report of the stress test, mythlogic gave you a full report of their stress test including temperature graphs frambuffer use but i never saw any from gentech and if i remember correctly there was a post here saying that when the laptop was received the dGPU was missing from device manager i think i found it here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...bad-not-good-just-normal.772106/#post-9951767
i think they do test it but not stress test it like myth

 

While you can disagree you are looking at an effectively tiny sample size.

 

how do you get all these numbers? this is amazing

 

true but at least i have actual data points
by the way does sager offer replacements for doa or only repair?

 

Full warranty information is on the website.

 

In Windows, I just look at HwInfo's Charge Rate stats.

In Linux, the battery sysfs nodes and RAPL registers

 

I remember I had this problem once, and it was something to do with Optimus, some apps were keeping the Nvidia GPU ON.

If that fails, try to reinstall the Thunderbolt drivers, which I think is hardwired to the NVIDIA.

Also, keep note that every time you plug an external monitor, NVIDIA wakes up, which leads to 8-10W on idle. (not 30W)

 

I thought laptop with G-Sync doesn't have Optimus

 

It has both, Optimus and G-Sync. Active one at the time through bios.

 

Yes it's one of the few exceptions with a manual switch between the two.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience

6-10W should be the total idle consumption with the dgpu off...
Nvidia 10xx/20xx gpus usually use about 7W in idle from what I have experienced on other laptops (so at least 15-18W total).

Is your notebook reaching a low Package CState?

I doubt it's a driver issue, since I am seeing pretty much the same results on Linux.
That said, I'd be really happy to be proven wrong!

My plan is to try disabling Discrete Thunderbolt in BIOS...hopefully that will have an effect... I will post the results tomorrow

 

Ok, so installed the new Silicon Power 1TB M2 SSD and for now all good..

One new question that popped up... I just installed a new game I got, "F1 2019", and when running the benchmark I noticed it lists the CPU as "Intel 8750 ***@2.20Ghz***".... Is there something I have not set (and where) for it to jump to the turbo speed of 4.1Ghz when running games..?

 

Only the base clock of the CPU being listed is pretty common. Use a monitoring software if you want to see what it's running at in real-time.

 

2.2Ghz is the guaranteed minimum speed given 45w TDP when no throttle points like temperature are in play.

 

hi, i just received oled pb50. does anyone know whether this laptop incorporate pixel shifting technology same as display panel of razer blade?

 

So I did some battery testing and my laptop seems weird.
Taking notes and looking at slides uses the SAME power as playing Minecraft DW20.12 modpack xD
I was on mshybrid mode, battery saving profile and had minecraft windowed.
Funny thing is that it still played really well. Got 30 fps around my incredibly laggy base normally and it still stayed silent. No one in my lecture was the wiser! (Except for the people behind me and besides me )

 

faenil, you mentioned that you installed Linux on your PB50, can I ask what your spec is and which distro, kernel version etc, and how much of a hassle it was?

I looking for a reasonably powerful laptop with CUDA and a nice screen on which to install Ubuntu Studio 19.04, it'd be the most up-to-date stable kernel version.

Thanks

 

Right, I get that, and the the “turbo” speed may not be always available, etc, but how do I check if in fact it is triggering and going faster as permitted? (Additionally making sure there’s no setting I missed, like I don’t know in the BIOS or wherever that may have disabled the turbo or whatever).

 

No big hassle

It's a pb50 with 9750h, rtx2070, 144hz screen.

I set it up with the latest xorg and nvidia drivers so you can switch the nvidia off directly from nvidia control panel (note: requires a reboot).
The new drivers also offer an 'nvidia on-demand' setting which should behave like on Windows, but that was causing the power consumption to increase by 7W on idle, so I am just using the 'intel only' setting and then rebooting when I need the nvidia.

I tested Ubuntu 19.10 devel with kernel 5.3.2 and xorg 1.20.5

Feel free to contact me if you need help

 

You don't need to do anything, so long as the clocks go above the base at any point you know turbo is on.

 

What's the fastest RAM anyone's gotten with this laptop? Thinking of grabbing some 3200Mhz RAM for it.

 

Check your clockspeed in real-time using a monitoring software.

Above 3000MHz can be quite finicky on most laptops if not downright unattainable due to motherboard traces, unless timings are very loose. At the very least, expect a lot of elbow grease, as RAM tuning is perhaps the most annoying process of all. It probably won’t be as simple as setting the XMP profile to 3200MHz and calling it a day.

 

Plus it's really hard to stability test properly.

 

Any U.S. owner here with the PB51RF-G? This is the 15.6 inch 144Hz GSYNC version. I can't find this particular model in the U.S.

It appears to be available in EU.

 

What are you guys getting in terms of power draw when using it on power saving mode? According to HWINFO, my CPU is drawing, on average, 5.9W but my battery discharge rate is at, on average, 30W. This seems rather high to me considering I've undervolted and am on MSHybrid mode so what are you guys getting?

 

At idle the screen tends to be the biggest hog.

 

Would anyone mine posting their cpu/gpu temps after a few runs of a gaming benchmark? (3d mark or any of the sorts
I would like to compare with mine.

Even just a cpu benchmark would be nice.

Please specify the PL1/PL2 wattage limits

 

Hey all, just had delivered a clevo pb51rf and have a query about the sound quality.

Listening to the audio from these speakers is disappointing, they are very tinny in frequency and have no depth at all.

Are others finding the same issue with theirs? Is there any way this can be addressed for more bass/depth?

I know most people play with headsets, but for a $3800AUD laptop I would have expected better quality of sound. My wifes $1000 Acer; thinner than the metabox has way more depth and clarity.

 

Make sure you install the audio drivers from the official website, including the Soundblaster Connect software.

Soundblaster Connect has many profiles you can tweak to fit your taste.

That said, speakers are definitely not the best component of this model... they're okay after some tweaking

 

Thanks, have played around with the sound blaster control centre and got the sound to be acceptable, but you are correct in that the speakers are definetly not the best. Time to invest in a good gaming headset.

 

A good headset will blow any integrated set out the water and is always a good investment.

 

Does anyone know if the PB50RF has a HDMI 2.0 port? I am trying to connect my 4K monitor but it is only showing at 30Hz :/

 

2.0 I thought, what display are you using? Have you tried another cable?

 

Thanks so much I'm close to buying so I might well hit you up once it's arrived. In any case will post my installation experience on here

 

Does anyone know if the XMG PRO 15 (ID: XPR15E19) BIOS from https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-pro15-xpr15e19/ work with the Powerspec 1520?

I'm guessing in terms of hardware they are the same with the exception of TB3.

@XMG

 

The official answer will of course be no.