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My benchmarks are better than the 80w 2080 mq but then again those benchmarks probsbly don’t have an undervolted cpu. The 90w 2080max w is probably better

 

You can see benchmarks on NotebookCheck, they have reviewed Gigabyte Aorus with 2070. 2080 Max-q will be slightly faster but that will depend on individual model:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Aorus-15-i7-8750H-RTX-2070-Laptop-Review.414967.0.html

 

Hi! Does anyone know if the models with per key RGB and tri-zone backlighting have interchangeable keyboards? Been looking at one of these from 3XS Systems in the UK but no UK reseller has the per key RGB keyboard. XMG also sells the same model with per key RGB but would cost an extra £150.

 

Assume no to be safe. Not many of the UK base here.

 

My lower framerates in Optimus mode seemed to be a driver issue. I installed the Nvidia package from Clevo (from Pro-Star's site), because I saw some files to do with Optimus in there. After that my fps improved alot. Not as high as when in G-Sync mode, but fairly close. Updated to the most recent drivers, and it's the same.

Also tested Forza Horizon 4. The benchmark is consistently getting 100-102 fps. In-game performance is anywhere between 100-120 fps. Compare this to the 2070 Scar 2, which was getting 70 with pretty much the same hardware configuration and game settings. I'll have to test it in Hybrid mode after work for a more exact comparison with the Scar 2.

One thing I'm having an issue with is I can undervolt down to about -140 and remain stable, sometimes even -150. But it doesn't seem to be lowering my temps much, if at all, maybe a degree or too. SOTTR and FH4 both push the temps up to about 85-90c, so there's definitely room to come down. My max CPU clock becomes almost static at 3.88, instead of fluctuating anywhere in the 3ghz range, as well as reducing the voltage fluctuation, and getting rid of most throttling. This is from checking while having SOTTR, FH4, or the XTU stress test running. Is this typical or is there something I'm missing?

 

Just tested FH4 in Optimus mode and got almost exactly the same results as the Scar II got. FH4 benchmarked 77fps, and varied in the 70s and low 80s in gameplay. This is less a point to do with the PB51/71 specifically, and more to show that the RTX chips in general are indeed struggling with Optimus, and the low performance in alot of laptops is not infact just due to having single channel memory.

 

What Thermal Paste you using?

 

I've never used INNOVATION COOLING Diamond 7 Carat thermal paste, how's the quality?

 

IC Diamond has a good performance, you can find results here:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-comparison,5108-10.html

It contains diamond particles which are very abrasive, meaning they can scratch the surface of heatsink and CPU, but unless you like to repaste every week or so - I wouldn't worry about that. Just be gentle when wiping it off and use lots of liquid (alcohol or acetone or whatever).

 

Also it tends to scratch on removal rather than in place.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

Want to uploaf the 2070 max p vbios Nyone?

 

I have tried going into BIOS to overclock the Ram by selecting XMP profile. But the machine failed to boot. Do I need to change anything apart from selecting XMP profile?

Or should I select "custom profile" and adjust values manually? I tried that by increasing the multiplier by 1 but again machine failed to boot. Now I am just reverting everything to default.

Thanks.

 

Try a custom profile. What is the exact specs on your RAM? If it`s for instance 2666 19-19-19-40, try ching to for instance 2800 at same timings. If that fails, try using lower timings on 2666. For instance 18-19-19-40. The first value generally affects gaming performance the most. If 2800 works, try 2933, if that works, try 3000 and so forth. When you find the highest stable speed then try reducing the timings. On my setup I got from 2133 15-15-15-35 to 2400 14-15-15-35 and I reduced tRFC slightly.

 

Been eyeing this one for a while though im a bit curious on what kind of panel does it use. I am gonna order from a local shop in our country and it just says "Wide Viewing Angle" as the panel details. Is it a tn, ips, or va panel?

Im coming from an ips paneled laptop. How would it be compared to that? Im also gonna avail the color calibration option under the panel customization.

Feedback on this would be much appreciated!

 

This device has a good AUO IPS panel. The same as for instance the MSI GS65 stealth. Enough reviews on that laptop.

 

Is it an ips panel? I have contacted the sales department of our local reseller and said that it is a tn panel? And also as seen in this link. Its also a TN panel.

https://www.gentechpc.com/product-p/sager-np8356.htm

I really want to order this unit right now but im kinda torn when i learned about the tn panel. Im not an fps player so i dont care about that 1ms panel. Im much concerned for the colors and viewing angles since i came from an ips panel laptop.

 

Specs ar Clevo are ips screen

 

Its an IPS panel. Viewing angles are great, and my particular unit has very minimal light bleed, even without getting the 'low light bleed' option. Your mileage will vary with the light bleed of course.

 

But why doesnt it say here? Their tech support also said its a tn panel. See attached screenshots.

 

He is wrong...

 

Do you know the panel id of this one? If you inquire in gentech pc or xotic pc it also said that its a tn panel...

 

Looks like AUO80ED in device manager. Appears to be the same panel as the MSI GS65.

 

It is the same panel, it is a more than decent IPS panel. Nog a TN.

 

Is it posible that they may have been wrong? Even gentech pc? Or would it be possible that on our local store they have a tn panel instead of that auo80ed panel?

 

Of course it's possible. If they're saying it's a TN, then they are wrong. The place I got mine from had it listed with a 2070 Max-Q, which is incorrect as well, so it's not exactly unheard of, especially given how relatively new these are.

It's also possible that Helix is swapping the IPS panel out for a TN panel to lower the price for customers (assuming there's a compatible TN panel available). But unless they offer an option for the IPS in the customizer I really doubt that's what is happening.

 

Nope they dont have one. Been eyeing for this unit for weeks! I would avail of the color calibration option and i was hoping fot it to be a very good panel afterwards!

I also saw the panel name au80ed and searches it in panel look. I only saw TFT-LCD LCM as panel type. Cant seem to find an IPS or TN in the description.

 

You will not see "IPS" in technical descriptions for some panles because IPS is a trademark which belongs to LG. Other panel manufacturers such as AU Optronics use "AHVA" to describe same technology.

 

This is quite informative! Ive searched about ahva panel types and saw that these were definitely better than tn panels and closer to level of ips panels.

 

Does anyone know the HDD supports 7mm or 9mm? Can't seem to find info on this...

 

Its a 7mm hdd as per tech sheet in gentech pc's website.

 

@Ashlander how is your battery life outside of gaming?

 

I usually have it plugged in. Haven't tested the battery life yet. Judging from the time I've ran it on battery, I'd say probably around 2.5 to 3 hours.

 

Is that in dedicated mode or optimus mode?

 

That's mostly in Dedicated, but I've only ran it on battery for about 30-45 mins at a time so far, so it's more just an estimation. I'll try running it down from 100% tonight or tomorrow in whichever mode people want first.

 

Thanks that would helpful. I would like the know the most you can get from it for general productivity (Optimus). 3hrs is great while on the 2070 this would be useful for blender and content creators.

 

I have one of these in house now! Very excited as this was the laptop I have been most excited for from an enthusiast standpoint.

HIDevolution w/LM, 2070, 8750h, 2 x 8

These are running a bit warmer than I expected out of the box. Perhaps I was just spoiled by the y740

Anything I should be made aware of?

Anything you specifically want to see of know about?

 

I'd be curious as to what kind of undervolt you're able to get. I'm stable at -150 all day long, which is much better than any of the ASUS's models I've tried.

If you do a fresh install of windows, make sure you load the Nvidia driver package provided by Clevo first before updating. Mine got very low framerates in Hybrid mode unless I did this.

I agree on the temps. I just have the stock paste, and I'm generally sitting in the mid 80's with the -150 undervolt. Also note that Anthem runs INSANELY hot. I just downloaded it last night, and with everything maxed out I was at around 95c and thermal throttling literally 100% of the time. I'm not sure what my framerates were, but it seemed to be running good despite that.

From my understanding Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut is considered the best paste? No interest in doing LM.

 

I love Kryonaut and have many systems out there 1-2 years working great just like I sold it. Ultra Male hates it so my advice is try it see how it works for you

 

Pretty cool. Personally I'd like to see more benchmarks with an actual games, which are still popular and modern. Something like BF5, Apex, Division 2 (now that Anthem is irrelevant - it has 763 active viewers on Twitch as of this time compared to Division 2's 9100 viewers), Metro Exodus (this is the most demanding sinlgeplayer game), maybe some MMORPG game benchmarks for FFXIV and BDO. And since you have it in dual channel, would be interesting to see the difference in benchmarks with one stick removed, especially minimum fps.

And since you still have Gigabyte Aero - a comparison of how they run same games. They have different purposes since Aero is more of a true portable laptop but would still be interesting to see difference between 2070 Max-q and regular mobile 2070.

 

I have the 17” version. What temps are you seeing? My 2070 tops at 70 and the cpu undervolted is usually around 83 and maxes at 87 in battlefield

 

Bdo remastered gets me usually over 100 FPS except in calpheon. Cpu stays cool, I think GPU bottlenecks eventually. Single channel ram.

 

Is that at max settings? What's the minimum FPS drops you've seen?

 

Yeah. I turned SSAO off because I thought it made the game look too dark. I feel like I’ll see dips to the 70s if there’s a lot of effects on screen. Calpheon can get below 60. Also keep in mind I’m only like level 50 so I haven’t been on screen with too many players at the same time, I’m sure that would destroy my FPS.

 

Too bad BDO doesn't have benchmark. With FFXIV, you can just download stand-alone benchmark which produces result log like:

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Stormblood Benchmark
Tested on: 4/2/2019 6:53:11 PM
Score: 10816
Average Frame Rate: 78.426
Performance: Extremely High
-Easily capable of running the game on the highest settings.
Loading Times by Scene
Scene #1 3.993 sec
Scene #2 4.366 sec
Scene #3 3.352 sec
Scene #4 4.625 sec
Scene #5 8.437 sec
Scene #6 2.039 sec
Total Loading Time 26.816 sec
DAT:s20190402185311.dat
Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Full Screen
DirectX Version: 11
Graphics Presets: Maximum
General
-Wet Surface Effects: Enabled
-Occlusion Culling: Disabled
-LOD on Distant Objects: Disabled
-Real-time Reflections: Maximum
-Edge Smoothing (Anti-aliasing): FXAA
-Transparent Lighting Quality: High
-Grass Quality: High
-Background Tessellation: High Quality
-Water Tessellation: High Quality
-Glare: Standard
Shadows
-Self: Display
-Other NPCs: Display
Shadow Quality
-LOD on Shadows: Disabled
-Shadow Resolution: High - 2048p
-Shadow Cascading: Best
-Shadow Softening: Strong
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering: Anisotropic
-Anisotropic Filtering: x16
Movement Physics
-Self: Full
-Other NPCs: Full
Effects
-Limb Darkening: Enabled
-Radial Blur: Enabled
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion: HBAO+: Quality
-Glare: Normal
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Depth of Field: Enabled
System
Windows 10 Home 64-bit (6.2, Build 9200) (17763.rs5_release.180914-1434)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz
16269.297MB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (VRAM 8081 MB)


Anyway, it's not a big deal - I've actually ordered a PB51EF from HIDevolution. I figured it would take less time for it to arrive than Lenovo Y740 (I cancelled my Lenovo order) and I like extra storage it offers and full keyboard in 15" version. So I'll just wait until it comes and see how it runs everything.

 

Hi Bob

Would love to see the temperature (default fan and tuned fan), CPU-GPU undervolting, graphics discrete mode and hybrid mode (any difference in temp and performance?).

And review on Clevo Control Center would be nice. My opinion is that it is quite buggy and lag behind those MSI, Gigabyte, Asus.

Thanks!

 

The CCC works fine for me but is terribly ugly and not much functionality. I've uninstalled all of it aside from the hotkey and keyboard LED.

 

In Hybrid mode my battery lasted 4 hours with the screen brightness at 60%. Mostly just did internet browsing, some Youtube, and installed a few drivers.

 

Look forward to see temperature. Mine comes w/ LM as well. After undervolting of -.125 (room temp 25C, on laptop stand, auto fan), CPU runs around: 42 to 46C idle, 48 to 52C light usage, and 72 to 78C gaming. GPU at 75 to 80C while gaming (no OC or undervolt yet).

 

Define “gaming”. BFV and FC5 produce significantly different results versus Rocket League and Overwatch for example.

 

Can you try using XTU and see if you can load saved profiles? I haven't been able to load any aside from XTU's "Default". Not sure if it's an issue with the hardware setup on these, or a driver bug, or what.

Considering switching to Throttlestop + HWInfo if I can't figure this out. Which is a shame, since I quite like Obsidians control center, but that uses XTU.