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    *** Official Clevo Sager NP9155 / P750TM-G / P751TM-G Owner's Lounge! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. HyeVltg3

    HyeVltg3 Notebook Consultant

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    Anyone know if the B156HAN04.2 120Hz FHD IPS screen will fit in the P751TM-G?
    real annoyed to find that the only configs I can find are 60hz IPS or 120hz TN, FHD.

    Really want 120hz IPS.
     
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    not sure but i think that particular screen is a 17 inch model...? go ahead and check on panelook.com :) there u can compare with your current screen and filter potentially compatible screens.

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
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    hey guys
    i bought this laptop before a week ago ...
    and mine is FHD model... but i wanna change my panel ..to 4K panel..
    but i wonder mine is FHD panel with edp 30 pin cable..

    so if i change my cable to edp 40 pin... can i use 4k panel ?

    and what's the panel name with 4k panel?

    and where i can buy 40pin cable with Compatible to p751tm ?

    im using B156HAN04.2 with my p751tm ... dont worry
     
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    Because IPS has slower pixel response times so TN can properly use the higher refresh rate. IPS like techs are being worked on to get them fast enough without gulping power in the thin form factor.
     
  5. NIGHTMARE

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    For 17.3 inches laptop no 4K with 120MHz refresh is available ?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
     
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    Desktop 4k 120hz panels are not really out there and they don't need to worry overly about power consumption.
     
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    Is it hard to mount it? Can you use G-sync?
    I think it's the only flaw this laptop has...
     
  8. HyeVltg3

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    I'm not sure how the g-sync module works here if you only swap out the LCD panel.
    https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...1-g-g-sync-lost-after-screen-repair-resolved/
    This guy only sent his laptop in for repair and Manf changed out screen to a different model and OP lost G-Sync, so I assume if you plan to replace the LCD, dont waste money on G-Sync ?

    can anyone that HAS changed screens confirm this?
    My assumption was that G-Sync was the Module, not the Panel; so any panel could be used, just needed to tweak refresh rate with CRU or something. (I've only ever used FreeSync)
     
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    Both screen and GPU need to support g-sync for it to work.

    I've ordered the 120hz ips display (currently have the 120hz TN display) and when it arrives I'll update folks.
     
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    The screen has to be one validated with g-sync on that model.
     
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    Hello guys, do you know, someone has possibility to check Is Plextor M8Pe(G), version with heat sink compatible with Clevo P751TM?
     
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    And that is one of the reasons why i am quoting you right now. Unfortunately i can't give you a private message so i will just ask it in this thread, since it is relatively relevant.

    I am planning to buy a Clevo P751TM-G laptop, currently i am working on a 7 year old Acer laptop with an AMD APU... Luckily it does have an unlocked multiplier but that doesn't fix it's age. :p

    And of course it will be overclocked, just like the Clevo i had before. Maybe you remember me from the AMD 8970M unlocked vBIOS thingy on TechInferno where you fixed the problem that the card freezed when the memory clock was increased, still many thanks for that.

    Unfortunately there aren't any Prema Partners around here in the Netherlands or even anywhere close. The closest ones are in Spain and in Poland but that is a tad too far away from me. I do have a local Clevo dealer but he isn't a Prema Partner. Could you maybe supply me a Prema bios then? It's one very critical demand because i don't like to be limited in overclocking with powerlimit ********. I'm in an OC team where i do hardmodding, phasechange cooling, designing new hardmods and more of that stuff. The EEPROM programmer is daily used around here... If you want i can do a donation for your excellent work.

    Please email me to:
    email removed, gotcha spammers
    If you have the time for that.
     
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  13. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    its all in the EU, so why would distance matter? even shipping costs wouldnt be that much more...
     
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    Support could be an issue though.
     
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    Yeah, that's why i want to order the laptop at my local dealer. That is just a 1-hour drive away from me. I'm going to use the laptop for my study so it's quite convenient to just be able to drop off the laptop if it has some kind of defect and show what's wrong with it. This usually saves a lot of time. They don't have to troubleshoot as long and there aren't any extra shipping delays of several days or even weeks. Good shipping through Europe also easily sets you €40 back. My local Clevo dealer is also €100 cheaper than the rest with the same config.

    Well, it's going to be a difficult decision. €100 and pain-in-the-arse shipping for a Prema bios, that's a pretty high cost. And i'm just that crazy that i think it will be worth the extra money and possibly some extra inconvenience.
     
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    Only €100? I envy you. I would go the Prema route in a heartbeat if you're getting it with a GTX 1080.

    In my situation, HIDevolution is the only Prema Partner shop in NA that offers the P750TM1 with a GTX 1080, but the difference is $1300 compared to an otherwise similar config with faster RAM from Eurocom, due to HID's $200+ higher base price, 10% sales tax, and lack of trade-in discount. Even if I were to drop the GPU down to a GTX 1060 at HID, it would still be $600 more than the Eurocom config with GTX 1080, and thus out of my budget.
     
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    Works perfectly.
     
  19. Meaker@Sager

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    It was just recently that some found themselves in hot water when the state found evidence of out of state purchases with no tax paid....
     
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    ?
     
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    Well I don't think that's relevant in my case. Eurocom is in Canada and doesn't collect sales tax for any US state when you order through its website. HIDevolution is in my state (CA) so I do have to pay tax there. Anyway, that is only the tip of the iceberg of why HID is out of my budget.
     
  23. Phryq

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    So I've had this machine now less than a month; when I first got it I noticed the fan was *silent* when the machine wasn't being pushed (normal web-browsing).

    I've been pretty crazy about keeping my rooms / laptop area dust-free; not perfect, but I dust pretty obsessively (and put the machine away while dusting / vacuuming to protect it).

    ATM, I'm noticing that the fan can sometimes turn on, not very very loud, but moreso than before, even when CPU is around 2%.

    I did fly with the machine (in a laptop case, with me on the plane), so it's possible that's had some kind of effect?

    I'm really nervous to take this apart, and mess up something (being a delidded CPU with cool thermal paste etc. I know HIDEvolution has done an amazing job, so I don't want to alter anything.)
     
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    has ambient temp changed compared to before? what about the location of the laptop? same position in your room, same support base on which its standing?

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
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    Where are you located on the Globe? Are you going through a seasonal change now? For example, in the US, some of us are seeing warmer temps outside as we move from Winter -> Spring. Is it possible you're environment is warming up, causing cool air flowing through your fans to be not so cool?

    -- Edit --
    Credit to @jaybee83 - I was semi-ninja'd by not clicking the 'next' page.
     
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    Maybe. I'm in a new apartment, and the apartment is I think warmer than where I used to live...

    So it's just me over-worrying. In a cooler apartment, the machine was *silent* until I pushed it... so nice.

    Oh well!
     
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    I'll use my environment. For the past two months, my house has been about 18.9C. However, it has been nice outside for the past week or so, house has been sitting at 21.7C now.

    I've also noticed the temps in the Mighty Mini are up a few degrees too.
     
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    I can't wait to be out of this too cold (winter) or too hot (summer) flat. Moving out next month. My temperatures have been really cold because I have been too.
     
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    Does anyone have any good custom fan profiles or software they'd recommend? I feel the control center profile was pretty limited in how I could customize it. When I turn a game on, the fan (1080) is so dang loud!
     
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    It's your only option, you could try underclocking the 1080 to help reduce its power consumption.
     
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    Alright no worries, thank you for the help!

    I have Prema installed on this laptop finally. Does anyone have a good guide for Prema bios settings or useful tweaks I should do? I've watched a few youtube videos which helped, but that's about all I could find.
     
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    i can recommend @Mr. Fox youtube channel (MrFoxRox) he has a lot of videos describing in great detail all the Prema Bios options. its not always on the same machine but the options are more or less the same independent from the system :)
     
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    What are you trying to achieve?
     
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    @Donald@HIDevolution @Prema - does this mean that Prema BIOS is available for units purchased from Prema partners like HIDevolution? If yes, does this mean that the ridiculous 256W limit is gone?


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
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    Wait... the Prema BIOS is out now for this?
     
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    Hi, please check your email to schedule the appointment.
     
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    Thank you. Gonna have to check my schedule this week then.
     
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    Any news on your new screen?
     
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    @Zoltan@HIDevolution Hey, man. I forgot to ask you earlier during our call on how to reactivate the Windows Pro edition on my system. I also sent you an email, but I think you're helping other customers at the moment.

    Any thoughts, @Donald@HIDevolution, on how to do this?

    P.S. Thank you guys for the Prema BIOS update. I'll have to read/watch about how to best tinker with it.

    OT: Did the BIOS update affect any other tweaks that @Phoenix do with our units?
     
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    Hi, I just replied to your email. Please let me know if it works. ;)
     
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    It worked perfectly. Thank you!

    Edit: Anyway, like I posted before, were there any other tweaks done by @Phoenix that were affected by the BIOS update? I just noticed that the power settings were gone, and it's just at Balanced right now. I've since changed that.
     
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    Best to ask @Phoenix about this.
     
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    Hoping for that as well. Thank you.

    Will this be the proper thread to ask about the BIOS settings for the unit? Specifically ones that concern OCs and other "good" and/or needed tweaks?
     
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    check the youtube channel of mr. fox (mrfoxrox) for video walkthroughs on prema bios options. granted they are on different clevo machines but the options dont change most of the time ;)

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
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    I've seen the 2016 version from @Phoenix. Several stuff have been moved/changed/removed since then. I was just wondering if there are any "essential" tweaks to do. The OC stuff are a bit different from the video. Also, I don't know if I should use ThrottleStop instead or just go with the BIOS OC. Or both?

    EDIT: Another thing I noticed since the update is that the fans are noiser/more used than before.

    EDIT 2: Yeah, I'm going to need an amazing person to give me a guide for Prema OCing. LOL.
     
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    "essential" depends heavily on what you want to achieve it doesnt matter if options have been moved, theyre still the same ;) in the end, its always the same procedure:

    CPU
    - reduce voltages as much as possible for a given cpu multiplier
    - maximize allowed wattages and voltages to avoid TDP / platform limits
    - maximize cpu multiplier while staying below 90C for long term hard usage
    - disable any and all "powersaving" and "efficiency" features to avoid any throttling
    - do proper stability / stress testing for 24/7 settings

    RAM
    - main goal is to reach higher clocks (timings are secondary to overall performance, no matter what other users might say, deal with it ;) )
    - if a direct switch to higher clocks causes instability, try loosening the timings a bit or set higher DIMM voltage / IO voltage / system agent voltage / uncore voltage (one at a time, not all at once!)
    - after getting clocks stable, tighten up timings ONE AT A TIME
    - do proper and thorough stability/stress testing for 24/7 settings

    GPU
    - as with cpu, lower voltages as much as possible for a given frequency
    - maximize allowed wattages to avoid running into TDP limits
    - maximize vRAM and Core clocks while staying inside thermal limit (below 90C for long term hard usage)
    - do proper stability / stress testing for 24/7 settings


    and, most importantly: dont be lazy. dont expect spoon-feeding. do your due diligence. do research. use google to read up on general bios settings. dont expect step by step guide specific to your own bios, hardware and laptop. were all learning here by doing and exchanging our experiences, but we dislike spoonfeeding ;)

    and as a last resort, if you cannot find ANYthing whatsoever on the whole of google, forums, etc on a given bios setting then just try it yourself and see what happens! even mr. fox learned that way :)

    cheers!

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    Thank you for the insights. I wasn't necessarily asking to be spoonfed. It's more in the lines of the TS thread where I had to read a lot before tweaking my old laptop. I guess it's just more convenient over there because everything is collated into a single massive thread which, in turn, makes me dependent on such info. It took time, but it was a bit of a breeze after learning about the TS software. Like I said before, I just really wanted to maximize the Prema BIOS update because I do appreciate the work put into it.

    I have been trying to follow through @Phoenix's 2016 walkthrough video. The biggest difference I'm seeing is the disappearance of several Ring/Cache Ratio options (voltage offsets and VR current limits come to mind ) and the loss of Turbo Power Max/Time Window options. I've tried about four configurations since @Zoltan@HIDevolution helped me with their default/standard OC settings. Two of them resulted in being stuck in a boot loop when the EVOC logo appears. I've just made it work again which is why I can type this reply right now.

    OT: This is why this forum has been amazing. It's you guys, who pour over your knowledge and experiences, that make things a bit easier for people like me. Thank you.
     
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    the spoonfeeding part wasnt particularly directed at "you" as a person but rather as "you" anyone who is reading this and has similar questions :)

    the particular thing ive noticed myself is that no matter how many years of hardware tweaking experience you have, with every new piece of hardware you have to start learning anew! sure, some basics always remain the same (like the goals you want to achieve and how to roughly do that), but say, when it comes to stress testing or voltage adjustments every new cpu / gpu generation has its own quirks and tricks to get to know first.

    i can warmly recommend any insight reports on a particular CPU / GPU generation first, like overclocking / technical / voltage guides and also statistics that might sometimes be out there that help you manage realistic expectations, i.e. what to possibly aim for with your hardware.

    one big current problem though: overclocking drifts more and more towards "easy" solutions where you click one software / hardware button and BAM! you have insta-overclock, stable of course :p

    well, especially for laptops it aint that easy. it takes a lot of research, trial and error and soft-, as well as hardware tweaking to get it just right. rule of thumb: the more time u spend with a particular component for overclocking, the farther you can take it. sure there are diminishing returns, but you will notice those quickly enough and can then decide for yourself how far youd like to take it :)
     
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