*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

No one can say for sure, just wait until Monday and we all will find out all the juicy deatails.
I would get SB CPU if I was strapped for cash but really want IVB, if the price is too substantial for the 3612QM I'm just going for the 3610QM since it seems to handle 45W cpu's pretty well.

 

I don't think the GPU is under an NDA... So waiting until Monday for an answer to my question isn't necessary.

 

Monday? IVB Goes live on our site at 1201A EST so (3 Hours 7 Minutes from now) =)

 

Sorry Crylo, I was trying to answer the post before I got ninjad by MYTH

@ MYTHOLOGIC

Great news, 12:00 it is

 

Yes the GT 650M is part of the motherboard. It uses it's 2GB GDDR3 dedicated Video RAM...

Unfortunately if you are on Pacific Time Zone like us, you have almost 6 hours to go...

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Excellent, thanks for the response.

No worries.

 

So here in Central time, It'll be round 11:00 PM? Is this late night release consistant with other retailers (xoticpc) or is the norm to wait till monday?

 

I am pretty sure that ALL resellers that are active on this forum will have all the new updates posted on their websites within 5hrs from now.

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Which reseller is in Eastern Time Zone!?

 

Mythlogic is. They are located in Michigan, same state as you.

 

But they're not Sager. Their pricing and configuration is a little different.

 

Was wondering the same thing!


Currently:Macbook unibody 13.3 late 2008.
Getting a 6165 or a 6110 as soon as i see reviews when playing games!

 

Hello, I'm interested in the quad core version of this ultraportable. I saw the BIOS video and wasn't able to see any options to turn off the on-the-fly switchable graphics and just set it to either integrated or discrete. Did I miss this?

I'm asking because I plan on installing Ubuntu and Optimus isn't supported on Linux yet. I'd like to just set it to integrated since I'm more interested in the quad core and small form factor of this device.

Thank you.

 

What do you mean get a 1600x900? There is no 1600x900 for the 11.6" laptop. If you mean external or in a 15.6" you can play BF3 at 1920x1080 with medium settings with the 650m. Heck I play 1920x1080 with my slightly overclocked Radeon 6750m, and the 650m is likely 40-50% faster.

Optimus is a software solution. As far as I know if you don't use optimus it will default to the dedicated GPU.

 

Thank you for the response. I'm only going by what is currently required to run Linux on a Thinkpad T420 with Nvidia Optimus. The drivers for Linux don't have the capability to control the hardware and switch between integrated and discrete. It won't even boot properly. If it does then it'll use the integrated graphics while the Nvidia GPU still runs consuming power and generating heat. I have to go into the BIOS and set either integrated or discrete only.

Maybe it works differently with the Clevo W110ER. I guess I'll just have to wait until someone tries to install Linux on it.

 

There is no switch to lock out the nVIDIA graphics, its all optimus all the time. There isn't a BIOS switch.

 

Wow, how come 3612 is so expensive?

 

That's unfortunate. That probably means currently running anything other than Windows 7 may yield sub-optimal performance and power consumption. Thank you for the clear answer.

 

True. I guess as of now i am for the 6165 with the switch but want this for portability :l


Currently:Macbook unibody 13.3 late 2008.
Getting a 6165 or a 6110 as soon as i see reviews when playing games!

 

Looking at the pricing now I think if you want a IVB Quad you have to go with the 3610QM, sure it uses more power but at least it's more powerful than 3612QM, it's not by much but for me saving a bit of money but getting a arguably better CPU is no brainer.
I wonder if the temp difference and game performance is worth it?
Need more benchmarks between these two chips to make up my mind.

 

I take it we're going to get a NP6110 Optimization guide a la the DV6Z one?

 

Yeah I was a bit shocked by that too, it's stupidly expensive..

 

Trust me if we could have made it cheaper we would. We aren't happy about its price either.

 

If you're running ubuntu, theres a program called bumblebee (ironhide for ubuntu i believe) that does this. its not nvidia's optimus, but it gets the job done. I too will be running linux, though not ubuntu, so, we'll see how that pans out.

 

@mythlogic: does mythlogic do price match? the thing is, for almost identical specs, mythlogic is $100 more expensive than XoticPC for the same model.

I want the matte screen and the 3610 too, but I'm willing to wait a little longer for Xotic to come out with it if it means that it's cheaper. In fact, for a matte screen, xotic seems to charge a little less (about $70) on a similar sager (the 6165).

Can you explain this difference maybe? If you guys do price match or something like that then I'm all up for buying it from Mythlogic over Xotic, since XoticPC doesn't have IVB or the matte screen just yet on the 6110.

 

question for the resellers: how's the fan-noise? i'm thinking about using this as a mobile workstation, but mostly plugged into monitor+keyboard at home.

though i would guess it's something like the fan being on all the time since they fit all that in there.

 

it's 3:33am EST and xoticpc don't have any IVB option yet lpc-digital and pro-star already have though

 

Malibal doesn't have it up either.

 

Hey

We don't price match as we build our own machines and don't resell Sager's, etc. If you want PM us your specs and we can certainly see if we can work something out.

thanks!

 

Ordered! I got it from RJTech the barebones place. I sprung for the 3610QM since I didn't want to wait for the 3612QM and it would cost more anyway. I can deal with 10 extra watts and it is faster at least. I went for the IC Diamond thermal compound so maybe that will help temps enough to be more like a 35w and I had them put a Killer-N 1103 in it too... Separately I also ordered a Samsung 830 128GB and 8GB of 1600mhz memory (1.35v instead of 1.5v, also to fight the 10 watts). If I have to have a matte screen I can replace it later. Can't wait!

 

Just for the record, it won't be consuming 10 extra watts. That's only the TDP it's binned under. Probably just wasn't appropriate to fit in the 35W TDP bin so had to bump it up to the next higher TDP which is 45W.

Nice config though, Samsung 830 is a nice SSD, Killer-N pretty good too, and 8GB 1600MHz is the way to go.

 

Woh! I'm pretty ignorant, but why is it the 3612 is more expensive than TW 3610? Is it cause it uses less heat?

 

Mythlogic can explain it best, but way I understand it, 3612QM is hand picked from 3610QM stock for ones that fall in the 35W TDP. Low volume and hand picked parts = expensive.

 

From Mythlogic:

From NotebookCheck:

 

Understood, just doing what I can to fight the worst case scenario under load. I'm looking forward to the Killer, now I just need a better router...

HaveFallen,
Its just a rarer bird.

 

Damn, I read one of his posts in the other threads, but appreciate the answer too.

Well, I can live with the 3610.

 

I like how notebookcheck says they perform worse... like 2% is that much worse. But in any case don't let the 45W TDP get you anxious. You're talking probably more like < 1W difference at full load. It's not going to magically jump 10W. 3612QM is likely borderline 35W TDP as it is.

 

I'm familiar with the Bumblebee Project and Ironhide fork (based on the original "legacy" bumblebee project) but my current understanding is that they are in the "work in progress" stage. Maybe I'll do some research and see how well they can just turn off the Nvidia GPU.

 

Yeah I'd say for gaming the difference between the 2 would hardly be noticeable but what I would like to know is what the difference in temps would be when gaming.

@ drfish
Congrats on pulling the trigger , hope to see a review soon, nicely specs.
What I really want to see is how loud the fans get under load or gaming.
The only good reason I can think of of getting the 3612QM is it may run cooler and give you a bit more room to OC since it uses less power.( not the CPU but GPU )
Not sure if the PSU is at its max with the 3610QM and GPU?
I do have a bigger PSU but it's literally the size of a brick and don't really want to use it unless it's absolutely necassary.
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Thanks for your comments, they are helping my OCD cope with a large purchase that wasn't quite exactly what I wanted.

IKAS V,
Thanks, I'll share the best information I can. I didn't rush ship anything so I don't expect it to arrive until after the 7th.

 

Yeah, what I hate is that shipping from California to Michigan with UPS ground is a 5 day affair. So even if my machine shipped Monday, I probably wouldn't get it until the following week, and $45 is a bit steep for 3-day shipping.

 

From talking with Mythlogic, they said that with the 3610QM the PSU was pushed to the limit. If you are gaming(100% load on GPU and CPU) there wasn't enough current capability left to charge the battery at the same time. The 90W would run everything at full speed but the battery would only charge if you were using less then 100% of either the CPU or GPU.

 

If I get this, I plan to under-volt and down clock the 3610QM. I hope there are voltage settings in the BIOS.

 

Based on the video by babyhemi the BIOS looks pretty sparse. But Prema apparently is a BIOS mod god, so we may have some luck. I, too, am more interested in undervolting than overclocking the CPU at least. GPU I will definitely overclock, but we may be near the PSU's ability and may bottleneck performance. Might have to consider the 120W PSU then. That's just nuts, lol.

 

HTWingNut and everyone else, what sort of hard drive are you guys looking at with this machine?

I'm torn between an SSD and a HDD. I want to consolidate my machines into one rig, but an SSD simply doesn't have the capacity for that. But I've grown used to SSDs and, as an ultraportable, I would kind of expect this machine to keep up with ultrabooks and tablets. I'm not exactly strapped for cash, but there seems to be something unwise about getting a 512GB SSD... if only this had mSATA or something

Decisions... why doesn't the perfect machine exist yet?

 

No i7 has been undervolt-able nor has been underclock-able unless set via Power Saver mode, I wouldn't keep hopes up.

 

Does OCing the GPU ( nothing crazy ) use more power?
If so any idea how much more?
@ WCFire
Agree once you get used to a SSD its hard to go back.
I'm getting a "cheaper" SSD and have 1TB external HDD for all my storage needs. I don't need the fastest read and write speeds just speed in general.
Still haven't decided if I want Sandforce or Marvell, leaning torward Crucial,Samsung or Plextor.
Decission's, Decission's.......
If anyone can recommend a good SSD that is at least 240GB/256GB would much appreciated.

 

Both overclocking and overvolting will use more power.

 

My 580M is undervolted & overclocked...has 20W less power draw...

 

I already have a 256GB SSD - Western Digital SiliconEdge Blue that is in my HP DV6z that I will put in this machine. I have a 120GB Intel X25-M SSD that will replace the one in my DV6z. So I'm all set.

If I can find a good deal (like $1/GB) on a Crucial M4, Samsung 830, or Intel 520 256GB SSD I'll probably bite.