*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

@unclewebb: I'm really sorry if I hurt you, I didn't mean to.
I thought that was what you told me.. back then it seemed that way, apologies =)

I can't say for others, but I've stopped using it because of the few bugs and ergonomic... Used it a lot before because I had no other real choice (throttling laptop), but now only for turbo it isn't worth it..
That's a shame because it's a great piece of software.

Still, I'm confused with how you expected money without selling it nor a donation button

You're assuming CPU is the only component whose consumption increases on load, means you need to understand how a full system work.

Think of GPU, northbridge, HDD, RAM, screen and do YOUR math again

 

@ALL: here's a post from the french user Spartacus on hardware.fr who did calibrate its screen, there are 2 profiles (56% brightness, which should be more accurate, then 100% brightness which I asked him for), you can find the download links below the 2nd graph.

 

He did have a donate button, but took it away because donation were minimal. I can relate. I spent a lot of time developing a website in the past with a donate button, because I didn't believe in the "in your face" advertising typically on websites at the time. I took in maybe $10 a month. $10! While I appreciated the users that made an effort, but when I had 10,000 unique visitors (ok, that's not a lot) but 0.1% of users bothered to contribute $1 a month on average. That's it.

I'm sure if he made enough to buy products to test, and some extra for basic expenses it would have made sense.

In any case, it works great for my two laptops. I don't think the GUI is all that bad, it fits all pertinent information in a very organized fashion in a small amount of space, it's just learning to use the software. I prefer that to "pretty GUI" front ends that you have to delve through 20 different menus to select what you need. Even MSI Afterburner has a ton of options. It's a tweaker's toy, not Facebook.

 

Well, it has nothing to do with eyecandy, I don't care for that either =)

What bothers me the most is the turn on/off button does not work, ie even on "off" turbo is still locked if checked, as an example.
So while it's launched you never know how it changes your computer behavior. Also, it doesn't work fine anymore with sandy bridge (or maybe this is just my setup), you set to 23x and cpu will lock between 21 & 22... since it does not behave as it should, you don't want to keep it launched all the time.

Even if you did, it won't act like any normal app and stay in the taskbar, it will always minimize to systray, while there's already a "close to systray" option.. When it's hiding there, if you launch it again, it won't show its main window, forcing you to close the "TS is already running", then go to systray and double-click it again. So much hassle for such a tiny task.

And I could go and go

The point is, if I'm using it on a regular basis I find myself always checking if it's launched or not, turning on and off, launching it and closing it, and not even the regular way since it's hidden in the systray. I don't want to lose so much time a day just to keep turbo while gaming, well not anymore, I lost the hardcore part of my gaming habits =D

It's a shame donations never goes up to the expectations, maybe a "pay as you wish" system would work better.

 

Hey there, could anybody do me a favor, please? I'd like to know the size of the letter keys on np6110. Plan to put some stickers on the kb with russian keys and need to know the exact size of the keys, either in inches or in cm! Tnx a lot

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For Shame!!!!!!
Throttlestop is one of the finest and most feature rich programs I've ever used. This includes Clockgen, SetFSB, Realtemp, Evga ELEET. The real icing on the cake is that it is still relevant so many years after it was released, despite new CPU architectures, throttling schemes etc.
Unclewebb has done a fantastic job for the community and deserves much more than what he got. TS enabled my 920xm to reach its full potential, it allowed my gf's i5-480m to run at full speed despite Dell's ty engineering AND it has fixed the annoying clock throttling scheme Clevo placed for the W110er. I don't think you can find anything out there that can achieve so much for so many people.

Quite frankly, if I had money now, talent like unclewebb and Prema would never be missing equipment or funds to do what they do best.

 

@lastnikita

Throttlestop is simply the best and Unclewebb is a descent guy! stop being like this

 

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@ALL If Kevin would stop giving us TS for free, I would buy it! :thumbsup:

TBH I asked him in the past to give us the donation button back.

 

@Varnado: lol nice one
I was just answering people who asked what's the problem (for me) with it.
I believe that showing the weaknesses is helpful, I've been beta-testing for him in the past and as Prema, asked for the donation button back...

If you feel TS is perfect, well good for you :thumbsup:

 

I think prema is right don't use throttle stop to fix the multiplier. I tried to use it stick the multiplier at 8x, but it was using more power.

 

@lastnikita: no hard feelings mate, nothing personal ))

 

Well, honestly at this point, you could make up numbers that would suit either answer. I suppose we would need some real data to really know, then.

 

exactly
but I guess there are more important things to do in life héhé..

No worries mate, made me laugh.
I know I can be a bit of a jerk at times, and people often understand more than I express, most certainly my fault ^^

 

Prema, +rep to you as soon as i get back to my computer) tnx

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How to do it? Or whats the its name on Prema bios mod?
I would like to give it a try, since I get ~15w ia-cores power consumption with one core (1 thread) at 3.3GHz and ~21w with four cores (8 threads) at 2.3GHz under prime 95.
I believe the latter combination should give better perf/watt, but I will try with wprime or something that gives a score.

Just played a bit with ThrottleStop and wPrime and got the following: (clevo w150er with i7-3610qm cpu
1core/[email protected] ~13w 46.5 secs 1.654
4cores/[email protected] ~34.9w 10.3 secs 2.782
4cores/[email protected] ~27.1w 11.8 secs 3.127
4cores/[email protected] ~18.4w 13.7 secs 3.967
4cores/[email protected] ~17.2w 14.5 secs 4.010
4cores/[email protected] ~16.4w 15.2 secs 4.012
4cores/[email protected] ~15.6w 15.83 secs 4.049
4cores/[email protected] ~14.95w 16.73 secs 3.998
4cores/[email protected] ~14.25w 17.56 secs 3.996
4cores/[email protected] ~13.6w 18.83 secs 3.905
4cores/[email protected] ~12.8w 20.2 secs 3.867
4cores/[email protected] ~9.96w 26.88 secs 3.735


The last column is the perf/watt efficiency. Not sure if my math is right but I did (1/time)/power*1000. The "1000" was just added because the results were very small numbers.

 

I think you guys were talking about the race to idle.

 

math should be perf/watt so time/watt, with smaller numbers being better, but that is only the cpu.

edit: fixed

 

any suggestions for terrible battery life? i get about 3 hours max...

i'm open to buying something, but I don't want it to be ridiculously expensive.

 

Long duration power limit

For my 3612 24W is the lowest. You can set it as low as you like and check actual lowest value in TS.

The CPU maximum power consumption will be limited to that value after a few seconds.
I didn't enable Short duration power limit, because if people set that value too high they will fry CPU and board...

Turning of HT maybe an other thing to lower consumption...

Also I posted this in the other thread:

I haven't tested the latest 306 driver, but apart from that, this is the only one that shut down the GT650M properly on my system (properly like reducing the Mhz gradually until sleep mode when note used:

v305.53 Windows 7/Vista 64bit | nvidia - 30x Series GeForce Driver release - LaptopVideo2Go Forums

 

then I guess my numbers are right because it's perf/watt, with performance=1/time, since lower times translates into better performance and then I divided this value with power usage thus (1/time)/watts.
And unless I am wrong bigger perf/watt numbers=better efficiency
edit: already understood your version. It's pretty much the same thing, I just inverted the numbers to make bigger=better instead smaller=better

Yes, I know, but wanted to show that's less efficient running the cores at turbo speed (3.1GHz) than at base clock (2.3GHz), even though the 2.3GHz will take a bit more time to do the task. That's probably because it increases the voltage quite a bit to reach the 3.1GHz vs 2.3GHz, and power grows non-linearly with voltage.

Also it showed that below 2.0GHz the efficiency also drops because performance drops faster than power usage, again probably because the voltage doesn't drops too much

So it seems that the sweet spot for i7-3610qm is 2-2.3GHz, at least in well multi-threaded programs :thumbsup:

edit: thanks prema, I will try it next time I reboot my laptop

 

sorry, but you've all lost me in the technical debate haha is there a general consensus about throttlestop helping my computer use *less* power? I gather that we can use it to max out everything and make everything run faster, but i'm wondering if there's any significant advantage to doing the opposite?

 

My previous test with throttlestop and wprime shows that running the i7-3610qm at 2.0-2.3GHz seems to bring better performance per watt. However I think if you force the cpu to run at these speeds with Throttlestop you will lose the power saving from running cpu at lower voltages and frequencies during idle/light operations.

So I think the best is to disable turbo with windows power plans (or Prema bios), since it will run at 2.3GHz (i7-3610qm) and then go to idle mode at 1.2GHz and lower voltages. Forcing it to run at 1.2GHz won't be as efficient as running at 2.3GHz because it will take longer to complete the tasks, resulting in overall bigger power draw.
However for games the best might be forcing the cpu running at lower speeds as long it doesn't render the games unplayable

 

Anyone know where we can download any new audio drivers for this laptop?

 

Thanks for this, exactly what I had in mind. I knew the lowest was not the most efficient...
We could even go further and calculate the whole machine draw under different schemes, while gaming (limited fps and unlimited), and doing one job then idling, both should bring different results.

Why ?
New isn't really accurate, you might want to let us know your version number

edit:
on clevo website v10.2
on VIA website v10.5
on VIA forums v10.8

not tested though, unsure if they all fit our board.

 

If you use throttlestop to limit to 2.0-2.3 Ghz, and leave EIST on (as you should always) then the cpu will still slow down below 2.0/2.3 but use 2.0/2.3 as a max.

 

Maybe you are right. Although hwinfo shows the cores mostly at 2.0GHz when I set TS to 20x multiplier, the power draw is the same as if the cores where idling at 1.2GHz without using throttlestop.

 

Intel Core i mobile CPUs that are using the various C sleep states are designed to turn cores completely off when idle. The multiplier does not make a significant difference to power consumption at idle.

Have a look at the C State data in ThrottleStop and find ways to increase the percentage of time your CPU spends in the deeper sleep states. That's how to minimize power consumption in a Core i CPU. Adjusting the multi at idle is old school on the Core i.

The power consumption data coming from Intel CPUs which ThrottleStop and other monitoring software reports is an approximation based on the VID voltage. This data is only intended to be used to control the Turbo Boost function. It's anyone's guess how accurate this data is when a CPU is using a reduced multiplier or is lightly loaded. The only proper way to measure CPU power consumption is at the CPU socket with an appropriate multimeter. For your efficiency chart, I think total system power consumption vs CPU speed would be more meaningful. For a small increase in total power consumption, Turbo Boost gives you a significant increase in performance. Turbo Boost is a good thing.

lastnikita: I appreciate constructive criticism. Some of your complaints are already on my things to do list. I wish I had more time to fix some of these problems right now but I am taking a break from programming at the moment.

The ThrottleStop Turn Off button turns off the anti-throttling section of code within ThrottleStop. What multiplier your CPU ends up at will depend on how you had ThrottleStop set up and how you had Windows set up.

To avoid this, if you are plugged in, why not just leave ThrottleStop in the active state 24/7. When minimized to the System Tray, it is extremely efficient. If you only want Turbo Boost on when gaming then create 2 profiles within ThrottleStop. Profile 1 can be your regular profile with Turbo Boost disabled and Profile 2 can be your gaming profile with Turbo Boost enabled. You can use ThrottleStop and create a couple of user defined keyboard short cuts and easily swap profiles back and forth without having to ever open up or look at the ThrottleStop GUI. On battery power, setup ThrottleStop to automatically switch to Profile 1 or else exit ThrottleStop and let Windows manage things. Just tell ThrottleStop to restore your CPU to its Intel specs when it exits and then use a Windows power profile to control whether you want Turbo Boost on or off.

ThrottleStop can not overclock the 2nd or 3rd Generation XM CPUs but other than that, it works correctly on Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge CPUs. If you set the multi to 23 and have EIST enabled and you fully load at least one core on your CPU, you should see a maximum multiplier of 23. When you take the load off your CPU, the multiplier will be less than 23.

Depending on what C States are being used and how much background stuff is running on your computer, the multiplier reported by ThrottleStop will probably continuously hunt up and down. This is normal. Would you prefer a low multiplier? The "Race to Sleep" article shows that modern CPUs are more efficient when you run them fast so they can get their work done quickly. This allows them to spend a bigger percentage of time in one of the deeper sleep states like C6 where power consumption is minimal. If you have any ThrottleStop specific questions, post them in the ThrottleStop thread and I will try to help you out.

 

Thanks for explanation, I was wondering if it was due to this or if the software was reporting wrong multis.

That's true but I don't have a multimeter around or even a watt-metter to check total power consumption. Still, if software reporting is based on VID then it should give an average idea about power usage, better than nothing :thumbsup:

Indeed, that's why in my chart it was better to run the cpu at 2.3GHz than 1.2GHz since voltage doesn't drop that much, meaning it probably wastes more power to do the same task.
However when comparing 2.3GHz to turbo multis, the efficiency starts decreasing due to the agressive voltage increase. Even though it complete the task faster at 3.1GHz and go to sleep mode earlier, at 2.3GHz it will do the same task slower but the overall energy needed to complete the task should be less (Power*time).
Not sure if I was clear enough due to my bad English

Don't get me wrong, the turbo is an awesome feature and I use it whatever I need to complete tasks faster (most of the time), but for battery use I guess it's better to turn it off since running at base clock seems to have better perf/watt.

btw, is there any way to donate to TS? It wouldn't be much, but at least could pay you some beers :thumbsup:
It's a great tool to maximize laptops performance

 

Guys quick question, I'm liking the idea of decent gaming performance on a small sized laptop, so I think im gonna order the W110er barebone ($499) and just add ram, hdd and cpu. I'm just wondering, which CPUs are compatible with it? apart from the ones listed (2450m, 3210m, etc)

what about the i7 840qm, are those too old / too bad in comparison?

 

As far I know the 1st generation core-i are not compatible, only 2nd (sandybridge: 2xxx) and 3rd (Ivybridge: 3xxx) are.

 

Has anyone done any testing with the new bios to see how much of a battery improvement it has? Is it worth the upgrade despite the coil noise issue I've been hearing about? I'm hesitant since once you upgrade you can't go back.

Also, has anyone tried the WoWLAN (Wake on WLAN) feature? I want to be able to remote into my laptop from my tablet sometimes, and I was trying to find out if the feature works, but I've been finding mixed information and no solution yet.

 

Usually you need some software to send the "magic packet" for WOL or WOWL. Try out wolcmd. It's a command line app and apparently works with iPhone, Android, Windows...

 

I assume WoWLAN only works with Intel WLAN cards ?
Or is it a generic techno ? If so, how one can tell if his card is WoWLAN enabled or not ?
Thanks

 

Any recommendation on laptop sleeves or laptop cases for this? Will the m11x sleeve fit?

 

thanks for clearing that up

 

Hey guys, I just this laptop and got a quick question...

I just noticed that the built in microphone can barely sense my voice. Has anyone else had issues with this?

 

It works perfectly fine in my case when skyping.

 

It's more like I'm not sure if my card supports it. I have the default realtek wlan card, and it looks like some sites say it supports it, but not others, or it maybe needs a driver update, but so far no luck.

so no observable battery life difference between the old bios and the new one?

 

Yes it appears so, will tell you tomorrow..
Is WoWLAN supported by our mainboard for sure ?
Also, did anyone test intel Antitheft service ?

 

Yes, only the sandy/ivy cpu's are compatible. It is socket G2.

 

Hi all. I have just bought mine.... Thanks to this forum I was really convinced to purchase one.

I bought it 3 days ago (Saturday) at a local shop close to my house in Jakarta, Indonesia ( Pemmz.com - The First Indonesian Gaming Laptops, High End Gadgets and Desktop Store | for Design and Gaming Pemmz Gaming Laptop)

I found this local shop at Indonesia Largest Forum ( Kaskus - The Largest Indonesian Community)

My spec :
- SAGER OEM Xenom NP6110 CUSTOM (Built on Clevo W110ER) Ultraportable Gaming Notebook, 11.6" HD Glossy LED LCD with NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M 2GB Graphics
- Processor : 3rd Gen Intel Core i7-3612QM Processor (6MB L3 Cache up to 3.1GHz)
- RAM : I have my own RAM from my previous laptop (DDR3 PC-10700 2x4GB) so I bought the notebook without RAM (I went to the shop one day before day finalized the build and sealed the whole notebook) and I got a discount 31.5 USD for bringing my own RAM.
- Hard Drive : 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- Optical Drive : NONE
- OS : Windows 7 Home Premium (injected in the HDD)
- Wireless Card : Built-in 802.11 Wireless B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card + Bluetooth
- Thermal Compound : AC MX-2 Thermal Compound CPU+GPU
- Warranty 2 years
Bonus :
- Bag
- Gaming Mouse

Total Cost : 1192.5 USD

I will post the pictures when I get home tonight...

 

Wow very nice, congratulations!! ........

 

Interesting, ORIGIN buyers:

Lucid Logix VirtuMVP First Look: Integrated And Discrete Join Forces | PC Perspective

 

Nope it won't as the M11x sleeve is a 12,1" sleeve. (The M11x is a little faker, as it's dimensions are the ones of a 12").
I got this one in a different design. It's really good as its very stuffed and you can even fit one of these small Razer Goliathus mouse pads in it.

 

I have a Tagus tsm148us mini messenger bag. Works pretty well!

It is kinda like this one (if not the same) : http://targus.mobi/productdetail.as...-1&ProductCategoryId=6&BucketType=All

Got mine at staples, 25 tacos if I recall. Ah here it is:
http://www.overstock.com/Electronic...se-for-10.2-iPad-Black-Y/5679910/product.html

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Interesting, but a joke. I don't see how it can really work fluidly to improve performance. Heck AMD can't even get it right with their own IGP's plus their own DGPU's.

See this more objective review (translated from French to English thanks to Google):

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How do I use lucid virtu mvp?

 

I got mine from xotic pc for $969 with 8 gigs, the 500 gig hard disk (I have my own SSD) and the 6235 Intel card and the ICDiamond paste.

I am satisfied, i use a 11.6 inch screen daily, doesn't change anything. Infact, larger screens seem to bother me as the pixel density is much lower.

 

Anyone having problems with their copy of Windows not being genuine? Seems strange but that is what my computer is telling me.

 

I've heard of people experiencing this issue. Make sure to:

1) Uninstall/remove your previous Windows installation on other system if you didn't get OS pre-installed with your laptop.

2) Call Microsoft up, explain the situation to them and have them activate it for you by phone.

 

I want to order one from a sager reseller, and, wanted to opt for the cash payment, but, there is a fear that lingers. Sending them money without any guarantee that i'll receive my merchandise is a bit scary. While i dont want to tarnish the name of the re-seller's, I think my doubts are warranted. Anyway, is the transaction safe? I want to order from LPC-Digital, and will be doing so tomorrow, just not sure if it'll be through a cash payment ordeal.