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The 30th can't come soon enough...

 

... but you won't be able to put an Alder Lake cpu in this socket.

 

Only going to need anything over 120hz as I have just moved over to it from 60hz so can't go back.

Now I am debating as in reality I am coming from a GTX 1060, CPU i5 will be fine as I only now do little VM work on my laptop now I have a dedicated server to do that job.

So long as I can game at 1080p (Would prefer 2k but there is no screen options for it) over 75fps I am a happy chappy. After all COD MW 2019 on a GTX 970m is currently being run at 1366x768 to get to 75fps on normal settings (Medium) which looks like Minecraft.

All I want is a Socketed CPU and GPU system with 4 m.2's and I will be happy.

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This is undoubtedly so, but it meant an upgrade to a more powerful 11th generation processor, and if support for 12th generation processors and above is fundamental for you, then this laptop model is not worth buying, but just wait, wait and hope))))

 

I'm contemplating an 11900k / 3060 build. Seems to be the right mix 'o magic for me.

 

I'm targeting a 12700K or 12900K in my next machine. I need the significant increase in single core performance to justify getting a new CPU, and the significant improvement in power efficiency will be nice.

I need both an increase in multicore and single core performance to justify an upgrade. I won't take just one or the other since I have a mix of programs, some of which benefit mostly from better single core performance, and some of which primarily benefit from better multicore performance.

With the way things are currently going in software development, it looks like multicore performance will be king in the future. I'd like to see that happen since it's easier to add more cores than to increase single core performance.

I also really need to stop using legacy software.

 

Hi
I buy soon x170km-g with 11th gen rocket lake i9. Can i upgrade in future to 12th gen Alder Lake with change to a new motherboard?.

 

This is the spec i am currently looking at

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Chassis & Display
Recoil Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080) + G-Sync
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-11400F (2.6GHz) 12MB Cache (Pre-Order Only)
Get HITMAN 3 and more with select Intel Processors
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair 2933MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3070 - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
128GB ADATA SX6000 LITE M.2 2280 (1800 MB/R, 1200 MB/W) {REPLACING WITH MY CURRENT ONES (1x NVME and 3x SATA) }
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
AC Adaptor
2 x 280W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
2 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Battery
Recoil Series Detachable 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (97WH)
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Atlas & Super X-Fi
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & KILLER™ Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 M.2 GAMING + BLUETOOTH 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
2 x THUNDERBOLT 4 + 1 x USB 3.2 (TYPE C) + 3 x USB 3.2
Keyboard Language
PER-KEY RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
Operating System
Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Supplied on USB Drive
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Dead Pixel Guarantee
1 Year Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs

However i got to think about how i am going to be able to afford it, hopefully it lasts 5 years + though.

 

Possibly. The motherboard used in the X170SM-G and X170KM-G have the same form factor since they were designed for the same chassis. My bet is that Clevo will reuse the X170 chassis again for the revision with the Alder Lake CPUs. There is still space left for a bigger CPU socket. Therefore the motherboard for the next revision, which I'll call the X170TM-G, should fit in the KM-G.

This is all just guesswork though. Personally I'd play it safe and just wait for the X170TM-G (or whatever it's going to be called), given that Alder Lake releases in 6 months.

 

Maybe with potential modifications like the DM->TM transition, but we really won't know till release. Clevo tends to lock down on a a chassis design and stick with it with revisions as needed.

11th gen is an odd duck being backported to 14nm for a part meant for 10nm and the 1200 socket. Alderlake is the major revamp and will (fingers crossed) have much larger sustainability for the entire 1700 run like the P870 series end up having.

The change to the GPU mounting for the KM hopefully is the future change for Alderlake too.

Either way, if you need an upgrade now, then go for it.

 

Agreed, if you don't have a need right now, waiting might be the best bet. Alderlake is a big change up on many fronts.

 

What power efficiency? Yeah it will happen with light load on the small cores but not if you max out all cores in full load. New chips doesn't mean Intel will reduce the TDP/power limits AMD will make sure for that.

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't want the TDP lowered. If anything, I want limits to be increased further. I'm just excited for the performance per watt improvements that will come from Intel's 10nm node.

Since we'll be able to achieve the same clock speeds as before at a lower voltage, there will be more headroom for pushing things further theoretically speaking.

 

Adler Lake is generally doomed to become the lot of only fans, why will 8 cores + 8 castrates be needed, and constant glitches of the operating system that will try to run games on castrates: D when there are already full 16 AMD cores, while all the glitches and bugs in the software are fixed, the alder is already outdated. Intel again takes it to the wrong place and Ryzen gets another 1-2 years on the home segment of new high-performance processors along the way.

 

My understanding is that Alder Lake's task scheduler is hardware based. In any case, I believe Intel will also offer versions with just big cores, which is what I'm going for if they do.

 

I agree that if there is an alternative with full-fledged cores, then these will be very promising processors, but it all depends on the price at which they will be offered to the end buyer, and not blah blah the recommended price of intel

 

The desktop chips is in short the next mobile notebook chips meant to please Microsoft.
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Only Big cores for mainstream chips = bigger silicon. How much did Nvidia save on the castrated 3080 laptop die? Smaller silicon = Increased profit. There is only so many chips you can fit on a wafer.

 

I would be very grateful to Clevo corporation if they released their next project of a modular laptop on AMD processors with Nvidia MXM cards, or better with AMD video cards, these would be amazing laptops like in the days of P150-170EM with HD7970m, nostalgia))) I have both of these laptops are still kept as a memory of the old days.

 

A bit of clarification, I believe Intel will offer Alder Lake CPUs with all little cores disabled (due to defects), which gives us our all big core CPUs.

 

Even worse. Half the cores, LOOL

 

Anyone ordered this laptop with 300 hz panel yet ?
Can someone who received it check if this also has lcd overdrive factory enabled by default which causes corona effect ?
https://blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-overdrive-artifacts/

You can check by running the ghosting test :
https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

How does it look? All 3 a little blurry and thus normal or one or more leaving corona effect ?

Please take a picture and post it here. Thank you!

I hope clevo disabled this feature in this newer model...

 

It would be nice if there was one winner for both gaming and production / workstation purposes so that Clevo can develop one top of the line platform for either AMD or Intel. Sadly for team blue it currently looks like there will be at best parity in gaming and complete obliteration in production environments.

 

Intel could do with slapping around a bit more to encourage them to come back properly.

 

Very true - whatever it takes if you ask me

 

It's hard to tell right now, as Intel has just changed leadership. So, whether they pushed in the right direction will only truly show in a couple generations from now. As 12th gen is still a product of previous leaders vision.

 

3-5 years generally.

 

Schenker announces XMG Ultra 17 with up to Intel Core i9-11900K and 165W GeForce RTX 3080 videocardz.de | today

Up and down we go. This chips will need delidding.


When both the processor and the graphics chip are fully utilized, they can be operated continuously with 130 watts and 165 150 watts. At least you will gain 5W more power vs Intels 125w TDP specs.


And don't expect you'll get much enjoy from the new "Adaptive Boost" feature from Intel.

 

Brutal Cinebench behavior

 

Furmark ain't the best you test with but Nvidia's lovely Dynamic Boost 2.0 show its ugly behaviour. It run empty once you tax your Cpu. 165W dynamic boost is paper specs.

 

ugghh, that's what i'm holding off over. i'll wait to see what Hid's offering. much as i was annoyed with them last year, they're the only ones i see doing the delidding for me.

 

Everyon have a wrench and oven home


But if you need max multi core performance the 11th gen ain't better than previous gen 10 core chips. And it's easier to delidde as well


+ you won't see the big improvement in gaming with Rocket lake.

 

yeah, i'll do it if i have to. i'd rather pay them to take the risk. plus i'm lazy...

i want both but i need single cpu if i have to choose.

 

Where's the fun in no challenge?

 

You could of course try with Razor blade together with the oven trick

 

I do still have my pack somewhere... Lol.

 

Thank you ! I guess it's a bt better than most notebooks its really annoying they're segregating the power of the cards with how much wattage they can consume just to up sell you to a higher GPU. There's no reason the RX 3070 couldn't work with a 150W...damn it nvidia!!

 

Hi guys and gals!

I have a Clevo x170km-g on the way and would like to get my hands on the prema bios for it as PCSpecialist does not work with him and I'm left stock with stock Clevo bios...

Do ou know a way I can get his bios? Would he accept a fee and send it to me? Or can one of you lovely people dump it for me by any chance? Lokking forward to overclocking and I've only heard bad things from the stock Clevo bios...

Hope you have some ideas, thanks folks!! Cheers!!!

 

The chances of getting a Prema bios for a non partnered system is slim to none, it's due to someone stealing his code, rebranding it and not giving credit so now all bios mods are partner specials now, but don't be mad at Prema be mad at the moron that stole Prema's code.

I will be getting mine from PCS so would look forward in your experience though.

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You can try and PM Prema and see if he's willing to flash his BIOS on your system. You'll of course have to send him cookies for motivation.

He definitely deserves compensation for his work. Try offering him a donation for his work and he may oblige.

 

Pump up TGP for 3070 would mean they had to do it for 3080 as well. You should put a lot of the blame over on the notebook manufacturers who push for thinner and thinner chassis design. Same also for all those who whine and want even thinner gamingbooks than we have today with smaller sleeker and pretty power adapters. Nvidia just offer what you all have asked for.

 

You mean if we ask for a laptop that's like 50lbs in weight we'd get it? I mean like a super super THICC laptop the thickness of a triple slot GPU with a nice magnesium sub frame.

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Not exactly that. Nvidia have killed Sli support as you know And too powerful cards would destroy for the OEMs. And in the end will hit back on Nvidia. But come with 200w cards with same die as the desktop counterparts is a good beginning. And of course offer good enough cooling for the total power consumption and not 340w Unified heatsink too handle +- 450W heat. You just don't use cooling from a Mini Cooper and re-use it in a big truck.

Btw. @Prema out with bench roundup https://www.3dmark.com/fs/25257580

 

What's Prema doing running the laptop in a freezer? 35c with a 3080 in a laptop dammmmmmmmmm!
Nice work @Prema

Hopefully a 3070 and i5 should be tamed easy enough with the cooling at stock.

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Yeah man, I'll let you know my findings, in fact I chose the i5-11600k partly to start with a lower thermally hungry CPU so that I could have a chance to actually overclock it even a little. Regarding the 3070 I simply couldn't stretch to the 3080 pricing wise and btw I understand we can't cool parts that have crazy TDPs but my point is the 3070 could very well also have 150W + 15W Dynamic Boost but Nvidia wants to create bigger gaps between there GPUs so only gave the 3070 125W +15W DB... That's what gets me, the X170 Is a giant laptop more than capable to cool a 150W GPU.

Now, I hope they'll be some tiny headroom left to get that 11600k a little overclock, would love an all core @ 5ghz but not expecting nowhere near that lol

Thank you for explaining the situation with the Prema Bios, I had no idea some dick stole his work, I guess I'll still try and ask him see if he agrees if I throw him a bit of cash.

Only a few days before the beast arrives, can't wait, been a long time since I had a 17 incher, this thing has a 300hz Gsync panel too, looking forward to those fast pixels

Peace folks !

 

Couldn't one just use a guitar pick to cut the adhesive and then use a heat gun+something to lift the IHS? Or Flip it upside down and let it drop? That device holds the PCB in place.

 

You should be good with that CPU and have relatively few problems with power limits.

Issues mainly arise when you have two power hungry components fighting for resources like an 8 or 10 core CPU with a 2080 or 3080.

I hope you got faster RAM as without the Prema bios you will probably be stuck with whatever speed your RAM has in stock condition.

 

The more I read about this, I am starting to sway from wanting to buy the MSI GE76 to this model from Sager.

 

The concept of a unified heatsink is quite brilliant but what we need is a higher capacity version. I'd say that even going up to 400W would help a lot with current hardware but then what will likely happen is that everybody will be semi-happy with what we have. That is unless Nvidia comes out with a really big surprise in the form of a mobile 3080(TI) based card that has a substantially higher TDP - I hope they'll have the guts to do it!

Creeping up I see on its maxed out predecessor - only a matter of time until @Prema will have obliterated the 30000 barrier

 

Is it a new MXM form? Can it fit to older models like the P870 and P750?

 

Not without a custom heatsink. There are a lot of changes to the PCB layout and X-bracket.