*** Official Clevo X170KM-G/Sager NP9672M Owner's Lounge ***

So with a custom heatsink, is it possible like the RTX 2000s?

 

Funny, the more I read about current DTR options the more I'm inclined to switch to Tongfang BGA in a few months until better alternatives arrive.

 

RTX 20 Series is officially supported on P7, so there are already heatsinks for it. With some minor modding to the vapor chamber heatsink, RTX 20 Series also works in P8.

RTX 30 Series is quite a bit different in terms of the component layout on the board and the X-bracket/heatsink mounting, so it would need a custom heatsink fabricated or some kind of adapter.

 

Probably more on the custom heatsink side.

 

Hey dudes. Looking at grabbing a new laptop here today and gonna be ordering from HID. EVOC is on the top of my list right now, and it's this model. My question is, how are the thermals on the 10600k/10700k + 3080 setup? Can it handle the 165w gpu appropriately, at least as well as an m17 r4?

 

The GPU runs stupidly cool. This laptop can easily handle a GPU with a 250 watt TGP.

For actual numbers, it's within the 60°C to 65°C range during full load on the highest end config if I remember correctly. I don't actually own this laptop, but this is what I've heard from owners of the SM-G, and the cooling system on the KM-G isn't any different barring some minor changes to the GPU vapor chamber.

 

Smg on -100undervolt 10700k 2080S on stock bios and thermal paste pulled 85 degrees cpu and 72-74 degrees gpu during dayz

 

Really? I thought it ran much cooler than that with everything stock.

I must be thinking of zTecpc's version.

 

Definatly, ztecs is not stock at all. They have prema bios and a modified heatsink. Also people that bought there and wrote here prob all had cherry picked delidded hardware with non stock paste/lm.

 

Thanks for correcting me.

@Dbentt I apologize if I caused any confusion. Hopefully I at least gave you another vendor to look at.

 

It's probably smart to see and wait if prema releases a new bios, otherwise you look at a unfinished product

 

Probably only a matter of time as Prema already rocks a KM-G with the 11900KF and the 3080:

 

Please, don't shoot the messenger, but we just got this, regarding the new KM:
"Due to the shortage on various components including display panels, GPUs, Intel chips, audio chips, Wi-Fi, AC Adapters, and etc., all orders have been delayed and postponed by Clevo without an estimated ship date."

Worse, there are no RTX 30x0 GPUs and heatsinks available to upgrade the SM.

FWIW, we still have SM's available, with delidded and cherry-picked binned Intel® 10th Generation Comet Lake i9-10900Ks, Custom Prema BIOS, @Mr. Fox Thermal Design (aided by @jc_denton & @Papusan), and DDR4/3200MHz w/ XMP Profile @ ≯ CL16 RAM.

 

Oh dear this doesn't look good.

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Ouch, disappointing news

Double checked on mine. So glad I made the cut, mine is nearly ready. Shipping tomorrow or early next week (ordered right away last week, 10850K version). I should get it pretty fast since I live only a couple hours away.

Will post some benchies etc once I get everything dialed in.

 

Well i guess i'll have to practice my patience and see who fries their brand new chip...

 

USA got the KM delayed ? Ouch, that's a bummer.

I hope an EU user will be able to check if the KM also has lcd overdrive factory enabled (which is causing overshoot / corona effect in dark scenes) or Clevo disabled it this time. Was really disappointing that Clevo did not care about this issue with the SM and did not come up with a solution to the problem.

 

Not surprising at the moment, everyone is running short.

 

And it can last a long time...
Foxconn predicts that the global chip shortage will remain until at least mid-2022
The ongoing chip shortage affects everything from graphics cards to cars, but a new report claims that stock levels will be lean for at least another year. According to Nikkei Asia .

Graphics Card Shortages to Extend Thru the End of the Year as ASUS Plans to Hike Prices Further hardwaretimes.com | March 31, 2021

 

Very sad that just when laptop gaming was having a revival global shortages and price hikes will turn people back to consoles.

 

I not even mad at this point, in fact, it only makes me appreciate how well the older gen has served me.

 

Well the cars thing was partly their fault, they cut their orders more than they needed to and then could not get allocation back.

 

uhm, is prema italian then?

 

Ok, i pulled the trigger.
don't want to wait another year, though i'm not really bogged down on the 9900.
crossing my fingers the fans don't run like jet engines...

 

Prema travels around a bit.

 

Is this laptop worth buying before Prema comes out with a custom BIOS for it? I haven't found much information out yet on it anywhere I've looked. When I contacted XoticPC, they just told me their X170KM-G came with stock Clevo BIOS. zTec told me that they were waiting to even release their model until Prema's BIOS is ready for it, which they said was "probably within the next couple of months".

If I need to buy a laptop within the next month or so, is it worth buying this laptop and hoping Prema comes out with the custom BIOS, or should I consider another model altogether (like the previous model or another brand altogether)?

 

It really depends on your needs and perspective.

From the perspective of an enthusiast, anything short of the best is unacceptable. However for anyone who isn't, this thing is a beast.

If you've never owned a proper DTR, this laptop will be much better than any other laptop you've ever had even without the Premamod BIOS. If you want a badass laptop that just works and don't care about manually tweaking every little thing, I'd say don't worry about it.

If you can wait though, get a version with the Premamod BIOS when they come out. It makes the laptop a better experience for enthusiasts and power users.

I'd recommend zTecpc's offering just for the thermal mods alone.

 

Any of the Prema partners should be able to remotely flash the update once available.

 

You can be a prema partner and not receive the update as well. Better play the patience game than be upset later.

 

I have taken the plunge already with the KM-G and it looks like this would be right at the top of all laptop benchmark lists even without the Prema bios. That is if you learn to tame the beast with MSI afterburner and Throttlestop. You also got to go with the right high speed memory as from personal experience I can tell you that Clevo has not even enabled memory overclocking which is really pathetic for a gaming laptop or DTR.

The Prema bios and some added goodies like thermal mods and delidding will then give you those extra 5% that will set it apart from everything else. On a personal level I have to say that I hate that dumbed down Clevo bios on principle - it is such a joke that there is really not one hardware related adjustment in the whole bios and it should be forbidden to deliver products that are closed down that much.

If I was in the US and looking to not spend that much I'd probably get a a KM-G from zTecpc with the GPU I want and from there on I'd upgrade CPU, RAM and storage. This should give you the best thermals and full bios capabilities and you can upgrade to better/more expensive parts when your budget allows.

As for the X170 being noisy I have to say that with CCC on quiet mode where the CPU is apparently limited to 65W is really relatively quiet though not as quiet as the MSI GT75 that I used before but then the GT75 only had a 6-core 8750H and would choke with the workloads I wanted , it also did not have enough memory as it is limited to 64GB.
So it is really not noisy at all for normal use but I take it that this would probably change for gaming so you'd have to check with the guys who do game a lot.

To give you an example what it can do with relative ease this is what I have running right now (10850K with RTX 3060):

3 displays with 2 x QHD 60 and 1 x UHD 60
3 x youtube streams 4k
1 x higher bitrate 4k 60 stream
500+ tabs open in Chrome
3 virtual machines running with vmware that I am currently accessing on the same machine via remote desktop
70GB memory usage mostly because of the virtual machines and the many chrome tabs opened
MS office suite running and a number of other programs
CPU usage oscillating between 20 and 50% with CPU speed on all cores fluctuating between 3.2 and 4.3 GHz
CPU temperature around 65 and GPU around 55 degrees

Try that with most other laptops and you will have issues both because you have less cores and because you have less cooling capabilities and all three other DTR that I have checked had inferior cooling and also even worse fan control then the Clevo and/or issues with fans spinning up all the time which the Clevo does not have.

 

I have no choice I have to get enough dosh together as I can to get mine, currently laptop is failing very quickly.

So I am even giving up my vaping just to save up enough quickly.

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Which would be nice and dandy , except for us EU peasants, import taxes and all of course. I was thinking of turning in my still-in-warranty sm-g for a km-g

 

Got mine as a naked barebone today. As a (meanwhile 2) sm-g owner I read the other Thread for months and I thought it‘s time to Register and give you something back.

Although my „vapour-chamber-project“ isn‘t finished yet I had to get the new one too.

Nothing special to say about it so far besides the Bios got a new look according to it‘s silly lockings. Maybe the wooden-floor-look is designed as a second barrier against looking into the bios for more than 10 seconds.

Any questions about the KM-G?

 

Yeah, its performance just about matches its looks...
If you find anything worthwhile in the Bios let us know

I could not put a normal nvme SSD in the silly 4th SSD slot that apparently only takes the new PCI-E 4.0 SSDs - do you have one at hand and would you combine it with a last generation CPU?

 

Can you post some pictures of the stock bios ?

What screen do you have ? 144 or 300 hz? Can you please check if Clevo enabled lcd overdrive by default like they did with the SM-G? The lcd overdrive was causing visible artifacts (overshoot / corona effect) in many games at darker areas using the SM-G.

https://blurbusters.com/faq/lcd-overdrive-artifacts/

Ufo test : https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

If all 3 lines are slightly smudgy and neither of them have white line on the left side (corona effect ) then all is good. If you could take some pictures of the screen while running this test would be awesome

 

Just the same locked bios so far. So it’s time to grab my Programmer again and take a closer look.

Sorry no try with the 10th gen CPU cause mine are in my 2 SM-Gs and it’s direct die.

 

300hz. I will Test it for you as soon i installed win10

 

do you have the user' manual in a digital format perhaps in your drivers folder or CD that came with it?

 

No folder. Just printed and no CD Drive avialable. What du you Wanna know?

 

Thanks, I would have liked to know if I can even get one of the new NVME to work in that special slot when I am not using an 11th generation CPU. I guess I will have to find out when I order my next SSD.

 

That slot won't work at all with a 10th gen.

 

Nice, thank you for checking ! I had an x170sm, however the corona effect was so bad in some games that I had to send it back and unfortunately there was no way to disable the lcd overdrive because it was enabled on the bios level and Clevo never officially acknowledged this problem because most users just accepted this issue and retailers did not care to spam Clevo about this problem either.
In the past Clevo did a similar thing and if I remember correctly the p775dm3-g had lcd overdrive enabled (which caused an even worse overshoot then the one in the x170sm) however they disabled it in the later released p775tm1-g.
I am hoping they did the same thing and disabled it in the x170km-g. The 300 hz panel alone is fast, no need for lcd overdrive cheating which causes corona effect/overshoot.

 

Hi guys,

I'm leaning hard towards the X170KM-G with the i9-10900K (EVOC) or the i9-10850K (LPC-Digital), 3070, 32GB RAM, and 1TB NVMe SSD. I hope you guys can clear a few things up for me.

1) As far as I read, Prema has not released a BIOS for the KM-G. Is this correct? Also, are there any major shortcomings without Prema BIOS, no offense clearly?

2) Are LPC-Digital and HID still Prema partners? Also I've been reading that ztecPC is a Prema partner, and Donald is now working there, instead of HID. Is this correct?

Thanks guys!

 

First ? in 1) answer is yes. I will leave Second ? to X170 owners.

2) Second ? answer is yes...dat's me, and zTecpc is a Prema Partner

 

1) This is correct. It looks like he's currently working on a BIOS for the KM-G but has not released it yet. His BIOS is basically the cherry on top for the laptop. If you don't care about tweaking every little thing about your laptop, you'll be fine without it, but his BIOS does increase performance by a little.

2) HIDEvolution is still a Prema partner, but I don't know about LPC-Digital. Also, zTecpc is indeed a Prema partner and Donald does indeed work there now.

 

@Donald@zTecpc and @Clamibot : Thank you guys for your answer! Maybe @Larry@LPC-Digital can answer this?

 

Hello.ViktorV. they wrote to me on another forum that you can help with the purchase of a case for a laptop 870 tm. How can I write in private on this forum?

 

So I am stuck now with a measly 3 x m2 slots and that's it? I cannot even remember when was the last time that I had a laptop that only holds three drives.
In any case it is a ****ty thing to do, I should not have to get a stupid 11th generation Intel CPU to be able to use all the m2 slots in my laptop.

 

Got it. Just unable to send you a message ;-)

 

Edited:

So with 11 Gen all m2 ports will work? , they still support SATA on them?

As for 10 Gen CPU's surely it would revert back to how the X170SM-G was with one M.2 port being just SATA.