*** Official Clevo X170KM-G/Sager NP9672M Owner's Lounge ***

Thanks, it's a pretty potent combo

 

So far had my laptop a few days and with the i5-11600K and the 3080 I am extremely impressed with this thing. When gaming my GPU is always pulling over 160Watts and seems to peak around 167Watts per GPU-Z and MSI after burner. Even with the 3080 pulling 167Watts the GPU hot spot max temp is only like 166F and the GPU reported max temp 147F. This is running in Entertainment mode too with -75mv undervolt on the cpu and -40mv on the cpu cache. I did opt to have HID do the fujipoly pad upgrade over the stock thermal pads also.

 

I didnt know you can Adjust Core voltage in entertanment mode. I thought it was just Performance. On mine i been running -60 core and thats it at 4.5. My laptop seems to like that as i have not had any instability. After realizing you bought a 11600k i wish i grabbed that one spo i can use gen4 NVME. I only game so wouldnt of made any difference accept maybe in battlefield which at the moment doesnt look very good lol.
I also got mine from HID and did the pad upgrades not sure if it was worth it but honestly if i would buy from them again I would buy with no ram installed because even there premium ram is high density. I ended up going with a new model of Kinston Fury Impact which im happy with

 

Excellent that's a nice combo of hardware.

 

Is it normal for CPU Clocks speeds to jump around on this machine ? i have it locked at 4.5 and it wants to jump down to like 3.8 up to 4.2 down top 4.0 and so on

 

Depends on the task at hand, but if you had access to c states you could eliminate that and lock in fixed clocks as set. Usually the clocks will boost depending on what is being performed.

The real test is if you have it locked at 4.5 does it sustain 4.5 when running CPU intensive tasks? If the clocks are jumping all over the place when running let's say CB15 or CB23 then that shows you have a thermal, power or both issue at hand then you may need to add a little voltage and/or check your cooling.

 

On Windows 11 go to Settings => System => Power & Battery and set power mode to best performance.

If its set to balanced, the ghz goes up and down. With best performance its nearly everytime over 4.6 ghz (i9-11900K).

 

Temps are good

I normally getting way over 100 fps and when it bounces fps doesn’t so maybe it’s not a issue. It seems the bounce around for others to in the video that is posted on the first page of this forum. Fps is still fantastic

 

I think it might be a none issue because i cant base anything from when i had it before i sent it back. There was something wrong so now its fixed. Will undervolting cause lower clocks speeds ?

 

Did you read my post?

 

Yes

I don’t have windows 11 but on all my machines that’s the first thing I do is power management performance mode always

 

What

bios are you on ?

 

1.07.07

But as i said. When i set windows power mode to balanced, it clocks lower. Only on best performance it clocks every time over the base clock. If i watch the clock with CC, it shows nearly all the time clocks over 5 ghz (taskmanager shows lower clocks)

 

Do we know what the new bios does in terms of stabilty and voltage regulation ? I monitor using msi afterburner. Plus i did some stress testing and benchmarking and under full load in a stress enviroment i see no changes in clocks 4.7 except when in cinabench where in thermal throttles under that test even with undervolt.

I believe you man lol what your telling me im not questioning anything you said just telling you what i did and the results im getting. but like i said i think its a non issue because i have seen other clevo KM-G doing the same thing in games.

 

There is no changelog available for the bios version

 

Do you mean like bios notes ?

 

@sydneyblue

Yes...

Here a video with the difference for you:



Sorry for the german windows version

Maybe there is a solution for windows 10

 

xD Nice comparrison
I get what you mean if its on balanced it will drop if there is no load

 

Would someone that has a laptop from HIDevloution please use the System Information application and send me the BIOS that you have. I have complained to them about the fact that I can't get 4 32GB sticks to run without the laptop crashing. They originally told me that the 1.07.04 BIOS is all that is available. After some whining at them, they are acting like something new might be available. I have installed the XMG BIOS 1.07.05 with the G2 fix that has made my laptop run without crashing, albeit not at 3200. I am looking for the original BIOS version as they will probably make my warranty null and void if I tell them that I have the XMG BIOS.

I need the BIOS version and the date like below.



Thank you

 

That issue has been talked about on here. I also have my Clevo from HID. Thats the latest BIOS they have is 1.07.04. They said to me that you can use other bios but bascially dont mess anything up or it voids warranty. There is a 1.07.07 kicking around this thread im not sure where it is but its there. I think it clears up that issue with all 4 slots working with no issue on rocket lake CPUs

 

What is the date in the system information app?

 

You mean in the bios ?

 

yes. the system information app will show the BIOS version and the date

 

I just looked there wasnt a date but it was 1.07.04HID im seeing in CPUz the Date is 1/11/2020

 

Thank you.

 

I can send you a screenshot if you want but in all honesty what is your end goal with your conversation with HID ? They are not going to bend and your only going to get frustrated. Trust me I know. Thats the BIOS they support right now 1.07.04HID and nothing is going to change that until they decide to start support the new versions

 

Hope this helps

 

I suppose the end goal is the same as yours, to get them to update the BIOS. I also believe the squeaky wheel get the grease. In this case they asked a question that implies that maybe there is some movement n their part.

I don't need the screen shot as I overlooked the date in you message and I have replied with the info they requested.

This was my previous message that prompted the request for the BIOS information.

"I would rather have the issue that I am, having be fixed, This can occur in 1 of 2 ways, 1) Update the BIOS like other vendors have done or 2) supply the promised Prema BIOS. Doing #1 with a date for number #2 would go a long way to my happiness."

My biggest issue right now is that they advertise a Prema BIOS and have not delivered, nor is it listed on their web site as not available. All of this with no time frame for delivering it.

 

Thank you, but they asked for the System Information app. Hit the Start menu and type system info and you will get the system information app.

 

@sydneyblue

I think he need this information:

 

I agree with you on alot of what you said. They got me on the Prema Bios too then i later looked at it. It said when available and now its no ETA . That old saying still works "sqeaky wheek gets the grease" I had my own issues with HID. I had to send my back and was without a machine for a month because the GPU was bad. They

Oh ok Sorry

 

I get it man. I have been frustrated with HID also. At least its a issue which from what i heard from on here is solved with 1.07.07. I agree they should do what they need to do to get that bios supported for there customers who paid a small Fortune for this Machine we have

 

Figures everything was going good then Bam system shut down while in game. I was running pretty much on stock with -60 undervolt. It wasnt a blue screen this time just a hardlock with buzzing and shut down. Event viewer was not helpful Should i just change to no over clocking in bios ?

 

Check your thermal pads and contact. Could be VRMs getting toasty.

 

I havent touched anything inside yet.

 

I didnt consider this but do you think its a issue with these laptops they can get very toast as you say

 

Hi everyone, I've been looking into getting one of these x170km-g laptops and for the past week I've been reading this thread while watching as many reviews on the laptop I could find on YT.

Currently I'm looking at two resellers and they are:

HIDevolution via their amazon listing : https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091KM76Q...olid=1SFAIQ35NG5P2&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Computer Upgrade King also via their amazon listing : https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KWLMTR...olid=1SFAIQ35NG5P2&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Both offer the 11th gen intel desktop cpus with a full 165 wattage 3080 laptop gpu w/16GB of VRAM, though Computer Upgrade King's listing is the only one with a rating attached to it.

I'm wondering which reseller I should go with and what types of issues I should expect from this laptop?

Is this a good laptop that will last me at least 5 years?

Should I wait for the Prema bios before jumping in or is it ok to snatch one of these while they are available?

I should also note that I reside in the US.

 

It's just a thing to check, the VRMs need heatsink contact.

 

This 2.5$ Heat sink over a 980Pro Pcie 4.0 got me about 8 deg less on heavy load.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003370653400.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.8da34c4dNx0XXa

 

Yep, Its one of the things i check when getting a new laptop. I boot the laptop up check all stuff works image the OS drive, then i take the laptop to pieces to check the CPU paste job and the VRM contacts.

 

Especially if you are going to start power modding things that contact has to be perfect.

 

If you been following this thread you have seen there are some issues

Would the laptop shutdown on safety if it gets too hot ? The only real recoarse i have with HID is the fact i never took it apart so they would have to honor the warrenty.

 

I ended up going with these. They fit fine where the three m.2 3.0 drives go. For the single PCIe 4.0 slot I just had to dremel some plastic away from the bottom cover and fit fine. Temperature drops were drastic per Crystaldiskinfo.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MV44567/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&th=1

 

Released Windows 11 Pro (21H2) build 22000.348, the same one that was officially released on MS website. With the usual modifications and debloating.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...der-pre-activated.836857/page-2#post-11129873

 

With regards to Prema, there are several shops waiting on it not just HID. It is out of their control when (or if) it will be delivered. One thing about Prema is he won't deliver a shoddy product and this extended delivery window there might be inherent limitations in the system or BIOS itself causing problems to deliver a proper product.

I usually find when VRMs overheat they throttle down and your clock speeds throttle down as a result. I've rarely seen modern systems shut down.

 

With that being said do you think its a stability issue ? WIth the undervolt being -60 ?

 

It could be a CPU stability issue.
It could be memory slot issues.
It could be BIOS issue.
It could be an OS issue.

Whenever facing any type of stability issues the first thing you want to do is remove any and all overclocking / undervolting and set everything back to stock so you can rule out the CPU. This is almost mandatory if your system is crashing, freezing, locking up, BSOD, rebooting, etc.... because you are running your CPU out of spec. At a minimum I would set my CPU back to pure stock settings and use the system normally and see if you still have these issues.

Depending on how your memory is setup, you sometimes even want to step back down to stock timings too.

If you want to go exhaustive:

If it were me and I was facing weird inconsistencies I couldn't narrow down I would use an extra M.2 (or my current primary), wipe my drive first (so you don't accidentally reapply any OS level settings back to BIOS on an accidental OS boot) then do a cmos clear / nvram reset and do a clean install of W10 with all the proper drivers and updates, change NOTHING in the BIOS and use the machine in that fashion for at least 2-3 days to see if I experience any glitches or lock ups. In this state I would also separately stress test the memory, CPU and GPU. I would definitely not install CCC during these phases either.

If your system runs rock solid for 2-3 days (or longer) you know the issue lies elsewhere and most likely not the BIOS in pure stock settings.

Then you slowly start to make singular adjustments and run again for 2-3 days. First thing would be setting the memory to XMP timings (if required) and retest everything as above. Why memory before CPU? Because what may be stable for your CPUs IMC at stock may not be at XMP so you get your memory sorted first in the state it will run with your CPU eventually.

Then finally I'd start to test the CPU at pure stock w/ dialed in memory settings.

Lastly the GPU.

Then if everything is running rock solid, then I would start to dial in the CPU with OC/UV adjustments knowing at pure stock with memory set properly you are rock solid so you will quickly find out if it is an out of spec setting. Start again at -60 and see if the problems come back. If they do, step down in -05 increments til they go away

GPU is always last on my list but that is the final testing ground

Make sure to log HWinfo so you can keep track of everything too.

Test .exe:

MEM: Aida64, TM5, memtest
CPU: CB20, CB23 (10-20 min loop)
GPU: Timespy, Superposition
System: Realbench 2.56 stress test

You will probably throttle somewhere in here but that isn't the issue or concern at this point. It is consistency and stability.

After all this is said and done, THEN decide if you want to use CCC and if you do with everything dialed in and running rock solid, see where it takes you.

 

You are right first thing I will do is click off overclocking in bios and see what happens
How do you feel about occt for cpu stress and over all stability ?

 

Was playing Vanguard and it just shut down and become unresponsive. I removed the battery and its working. This is turning into a huge regret buy ;(

 

occt is fine too.

So it shuts down or freezes only when playing games? This was with the undervolt removed? Are there conditions you can repeat that will cause it to lock up or shut down consistently?