*** Official Clevo X170KM-G/Sager NP9672M Owner's Lounge ***

Yes I reset bios settings to default first, then I changed from RAID to AHCI and disabled discrete thunderbolt, because of longer boot time on Ubuntu.
I'm not running with OC enabled. Tried every setting, I even replaced the Samsung 3200mhz ram with Crucial@2933, moved them under the keyboard and back, but no success.

 

Not for anything maybe install windows just for stability test. I know thats asking alot LOL i wouldnt exactly want to install linux on one of my drives and run all these test lol so i understand. At least we are not alone in our instability but that being said this should of been addressed by clevo. By the time Prema comes out there are going to have DDR5 in notebooks and would be for nothing. Maybe Prema is going to scrap the project oh god i dont want to be negative but i guess lets stay postive

 

In these "various BIOS options", they never put one that allows me to adopt the XMP profile for RAM modules

There is a utility, H2OEZE, which allows you to customize the options shown in the bios, and it can be used by vendors to customize the bios.
Unfortunately I only managed to find a too "old" version, it manages the previous bios but not the one mounted on the X170KM-G.
Otherwise, it could have read the installed bios directly and through a drop-down menu it would have unlocked the "extended menus", also containing frequencies, XPM profiles, etc.

 

Isnt that great though ( sarcasm implied )

 

Long Story short, bricked my bios. Do you know any tricks to get the clip onto the bios chip? I dont want to spend 3 more hours trying to get it programmed

 

How did y oh do that ?

 

Typical, just like the watched kettle never boiling

 

Which programmer did you buy? Some clips are just better than others unfortunately. Are you getting all "fffff" values when you read?

 

Did you make sure the pin outs are aligned properly? You should be able to, at worse, hold the clip in place while getting a reading to make sure it is properly seated and aligned.

I use a Wingoneer programmer and I've found a CPT-063 clip works the best for me after having tried a few cheaper ones.

 

Its a wson8 Chip, so you cant just Clip it on. Already tried modifing the clip. Next step would be trying to solder the cables on it. Hoped anybody had some tricks, so i dont have to desolder it.

looks like this:

 

In that situation with a few chips where either the dimensions of the chip didn't allow me to use clips or the points were too low, I used individual leads and actually taped each down with a small square of electrical tape then laid a longer strip over the smaller taped points for more secure hold along with a bit of the sheathed wire taped down.

Soldering each lead down would be pretty straight forward too if you're handy with a soldering iron.

desoldering the entire bios chip is last resort.

 

I think it's a WSON package looking at the data sheet. The other option is to have a socket fitted to the board so it's easily removable.

 

Just a update on my machine. Since Turning off OC in the Bios i havent had any stability issues while in games like Vanguard which uses alot of resources. Temps can be high which makes me concerned but i would rather have a stable system then a one with little heat issue. Do you guys think delidding would help ?

 

Delidding usually helps especially if you replace the stock IHS with a better model.

Have you checked the paste job now to see how it has been applied and the spread/compression of the heatsink and stock IHS?

 

I have not taken this thing apart. It is hot only when the watts go up to 100 and more. When I was running with a undervolt temps were better but as other said unstable. I’m not complaining about temps just observing they are there. Will the high cpu temps cause the vrms to overheat ?
Due to the price of this thing I won’t take it apart until deep into the warranty because I’m planning on keeping this machine for at least 3 years

 

Have you tried undervolt with ThrottleStop/Quick Cpu (Coderbag) instead?

 

Does that work when OC is disabled in bios ?

 

Not sure about X170KM. But you can undervolt on many locked down mobile BGA chips (can't be oc'd/don't have OC settings in bios).

 

Would be nice if you can just undervolt in the bios and not have to use control center

 

If others can (if this was the case) and you don't then you'll have to find out what's wrong. Otherwise try test out the tools as I suggested. And the OEMs software isn't much different than bloatware. There ain't many other choices.

 

Are you getting HID to update your BIOS today?

 

I was but changed my mind as i dont think its going to make any real impact. Im not running on Rocket and dont have Ram under the keyboard so im just going to wait and watch what happens

 

Ah ok. I was asking because it could just be:

A particularly hot and heavy 10700k
Poor paste/mount job

As @Papusan referenced, you could give Throttlestop a try and jettison CCC. I used CCC on my X170SM-G to set a persistent lighting scheme then jettisoned it. I do have Prema though so I set everything from the BIOS but with how CCC seems to work on the SM, even
the UV settings stay after nuking it and/or doing a clean re-install.

 

anywords on a refresh of this chassis or new chassis for alderlake CPU? and hope they go straight to DDR5 variant.

 

Will check out throttle stop for sure

 

Since the Canadians have this in stock. What are the odds of X170KM systems slowly trickling down to be devoured by my P870KM1. I'd like to see if it can fit a RTX Card and actually run it^^ Already made a successful swap from 1070 to 1080 and Vapor chambered it at the same time so its basicly a P870KM1-TM1

 

Alder Lake dont support MXM GPUs.
Source: XMG

 

I have a 3070 in mine.

 

I guess I will be the guinea pig. Worst case I reflash with the version that works for me now 1.07.05

 

Was it a lot of work getting the In-Place Ugprade up and running?
Or was it done by your tech staff and you did not get an estimate? Rough Cost and labour?
I guess I have to plan my next vacation to Canada... Why do all the good brands sit in canada.

Megapro, Sager... guess I need to find out for myself what that leafy flag is all about.

Btw could you ask internally how much they would want for just the Adapter Holder? I know its silly that I am trying to buy it without the AC, I really want dem Adapter Holder so I can have system Tidy front, back and center..

 

I did some more benchmark tests with Cinebench R23 and Bios 1.07.07 / EC 1.07.04

Looks like the new EC give us some power. Before the EC update, i couldn't set core voltage offset lower -80mV.
Today it worked up to -120mV. All lower numbers (-125mV or -130mV) ended in watchdog BSOD.

Here the results. I never got higher scores in the past!

4,58 Ghz @ 155w 86°C -120mV score 14577 (Turbo boost 1sec)
4,64 Ghz @ 165w 90°C -120mV score 14781 (Turbo boost 1sec)
4,66 Ghz @ 170w 93°C -120mV score 14871 (Turbo boost 1sec)
4,70 Ghz @ 175w 91°C -120mv score 15007 (Turbo boost 1sec) lower ambient temp (open window)
4,73 Ghz @ 180w 92°C -120mV score 15153 (Turbo boost 1sec) lower ambient temp (open window)

More than 180w was also not possible. I tried it with 185w and 190w but also watchdog BSOD.
With -120mV and 188w was 4,78ghz all the time with little thermal throttling (with lower ambient temp)

Turbo boost was set from 56sec to 1sec, to bring less heat into the CPU. All settings are done with Intel XTU.

 

Use the bar at the top to message sales, they will talk to you directly.

I got a third party heatsink and fitted it and the water cooling system myself. You can see my project thread on the main forum.

The last computer someone else did physical work on was a celeron 333a based computer that ended up with a bunch of hot glue inside. After that it was all me with help from various friends like Svet and Prema on custom firmware. Prema's BIOS had 30xx series support baked in already.

 

I might update it but which one are they offering i want to be part of the process lol xD

 

Throttle stop works but because OC is disabled in the bios cant adjust voltage but you can disable Turbo boost which the cpu will stay at 3.8 which seems like a option for me because i dont see games really needing all that high clocks speeds anyway Cheers for that

 

The KM really needs Prema sooner than later. So many of these problems would go away or be addressable without CCC with Prema installed. I was going to get a KM, but the no ETA on Prema and BIOS lockdowns/issues are way too limiting when you want to have fine control over everything to dial in all the settings to your heart's content.

 

wow, looks like BGA only laptop then. or Dell's crap which is a big no no

 

Thanks man

 

thanks man. I agree with you this is a highend notebook and doesnt feel like it with the BIOS which hurts this thing badly. I personally dont like to use software for overclocking and undervolting. Ideally i would want everything in control center in the bios along with XMP profiles. I hope we can get that with Prema

 

Upgraded mine to the 1.07.07 / EC 1.07.04 for the hell of it a few days ago now. I also leave the OC option in the Bios enabled. I just run an undervolt of -80 on the CPU and -40 on the cpu cache and have zero issues using the Throttlestop program. I really haven't even seen how far I can go with undervolting.

Most of my gaming time I disable the turbo on the CPU using throttlestop also because the 3080 is strong enough to power through over 90FPS @ 1080P in pretty much any game I have been playing so far. This is the coolest running laptop I have ever owned taking the crown over owning several Acer Predator Helios 700 laptops with the hyperdrift keyboard.

 

I agree disabling turbo leacves you with 3.8 which is more then enough for gaming. Right now i have OC disabled and use throttle stop to disable Turbo temps stay under 70c cpu side and FPS doesnt seem to be affected to much

 

I just got done working with HID to update the BIOS to v1.07.06. I will see how things go over the next few days.

 

Please report back Looking forward to seeing if that one is better . Turns out HID wasn’t available yesterday. Is flashing the bios to many times cause harm ?

 

What are you exactly saying

 

I think he is asking if the BIOS flash has a finite lifetime like SSD flash. The answer is yes, but it get so little use that it is not an issue.

Update on HID BIOS v1.07.06 (EC 1.07.03):
I ran it yesterday evening with no incident and it was powered on over night with no incident. The only thing that seems different is that the fan runs a little more than I remember.

 

From someone that flashes not only BIOSes constantly or even the routers bios chip often the worry of wear is a non issue. Yes like NAND there is a number of writes but no one is getting there for sure.

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A few thousand times probably, the NAND wont be dense.

 

Even at 1000 writes no one is going to get even close to 500 writes let alone 1000.
If they do however then they need to be reported for abusing their systems.

 

No more reports please, I have a record of over volting

 

Just another update that everything is working great. I did try turning on OC in the BIOS but the system would not boot. Not a problem for me though.

 

It didnt boot ? what happend ?