*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

Really excited about new King at DTR class. Can't wait to grab one of these

Specs:
Matte 17"3 4K LCD with micro-LED Display 1000 nits

Up to 125W Intel Core i7 Desktop CPU

Up to 200W RTX 2080 Max P or Next Gen

Upgradable MXM Graphics

Thunderbolt 3, ??? HDMI, 3x USB-A + much more
4 Speakers + 2 subs
2x 230W Bricks

Large bottom mesh intake

Side vents and thick fans

Side and back RGB lightning






CES 2020 trailer


Members reviews:

@B0B


@Mr. Fox

 

Is this one the successor of the p870tm1?

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I wouldn't call it that. P870 is one of a kind.

But successor of p775? Totally.

I really like look of this keyboard. It is huge progress over previous clevo keyboards from DTR class. It looks almost the same as the one i have in my msi - steelseries.

I have both of em and msi one is ten times better In every aspect. Sound, typing and illumination is perfect.

 

X170 is the sucessor of P775. The P870 series were discontinued by Clevo

 

As things are now those are 2*230W not 330W supplies, as usual we have to unlock the EC limit to upgrade to higher power AC adapters to handle that powerhog of an overclocked i9-10900K, well just to run into the cooling wall...

 

Damn it. Just need to purchase a second 330w charger but still.. Sucks

 

They use two of the new rectangle type power connectors, the round ones are no longer present.

But there are allways Eurocon's 300 bucks cables...LOL

Spoiler

Will probably end up just cuting the 230W cords to upgrade the existing 330W adapters...

Edit 2: Sadly the info was correct before the first edit.

 

The X170 is awesome! I am looking forward to the loud laptop speakers. I am probably gonna sell my P750TM1-G very soon, and I will add cash to get this X170.

I hope pricing is not to bad on it. And I hope that OLED panel is a optional add on, because it will be expensive with that OLED option for sure. it is a cool feature. But, will likely add $600-$750 to the total price of the build.

I am ok with a traditional LCD IPS 144HZ 1080P.

Maybe we can get up to 200HZ 1080P in laptops in 2020? Who knows..

I want 150-200TDP MXM, and a LGA1200 95-125TDP socket and that’s it!

 

I guess we should all thank Clevo for continuing to use MXM, while MSI and Dell have left the conversation.

I really hope this model does well and their faith is being rewarded.

Personally I am looking forward to the better 4K screen and some more punch in the sound department.
The per key LED keyboard is also a welcome addition.
Well and of course the two extra cores to play with after modding the not officially supported i9 in there...

 

Exactly. This is successor of p775. Standard is with 2x 230w via datasheet. Keyboard is exactly the same as by nh5x nh7x pb5x pb7x so.. It will be available first with rtx 2080 and than with next generation GPU.

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As the 230W adapters connect to the chassis directly it is nice to have a less heavy adapter when going on a trip where maximum performance won't be needed.
With your modded bios a nice alternative would also be to take a single 330W adapter so the possible combinations of power delivery would be:

230W
330W
460W
560W
660W

The last number looks completely unrealistic with the cooling capabilities of the chassis even with a lot of help but maybe with LM, a really good cooling pad and noise cancelling headphones it will be possible to make use of the 560W combination in a climate controlled room

 

"Noise cancelling headphones"

Well, we will see. @Mr. Fox already managed to pull 820W on the original P870DM with dual 980s and just an overclocked 6700K during internal beta testing (of course never published those Mods).

 

Maybe you can fill us in with a few specifics:

Will there be one or two Thunderbolt connectors?
Will this continue to have 4 drive bays?
I could imagine it having 3 x m2 plus 1 x 2.5" as the m2 drives do not take up that much space.

Good news about the keyboard, supposedly it is very close to the standard steelseries keyboard that is also used in the MSI GT series which I definitely prefer to the keyboard of the old P870 and P775 chassis.

 

In that case I take back what I wrote and I am glad to know that there will be a power brick combination that should help to accommodate @Mr. Fox

 

LOL, reminds me of one of those diamond HDMI cables. What a sham.

 

Wonder if it is worth buying Eurocom's 780w adapter by then? And get said cable somewhere else?

 

I think regular user or even one that is pushing for benchmarks would not be able to use more than 660W on this thing.

About notebook, we can see that it's new sexy designee with thin frames. I bet dimensions will be something close to m51 arena. Or at least it looks like when Alex is holding it. I wouldn't mind lighter notebook than P775.

 

Stock firmware is locked at around 480W, a higher rated PSU won't allow to pull more than that.

 

Idk how I feel about the new design having a butt to it like the other vendors. Not having one was a unique feature.

I'm a bit confused by the radiator design. The fans are now rear and side output which if done well is a good thing, but it looks like the rear radiator is around 4x thicker. Unless the fans have a narrower output to the smaller side radiators, most air is going to flow out the small side radiators instead of the big rear ones.

 

That popular design choice seems to be a side effect of the new narrow bezel screens which have all their driving tech moved to their bottom.

 

Need to get one from one of your partners then with your BIOS

 

That's a bit concerning. So Clevo doesn't "officially" want the 10-core in there.

The display and sound are welcome though.

Til this day my P870DM3 was the loudest. Two subwoofers doe?? Must resist...

 

With the narrow bezels coming.... Looks like the keyboard will be even smaller than what you get on todays EOL Clevo's. Unified Keyboard is equal retarded as Unified Heatsink


And nice seeing Clevo won't support the 10th gen mainstream flagship chips With up to 300W Cpu power not much cooling headroom is left for the 200w graphics. Apple design everywhere.

 

The i9-10900K has a base clock TDP of 125W and a Turbo TDP of 250W.

The i9-9900K in comparison was a 95W/210W rated chip.

 

Most I've pushed through the 9900K was 173W during CBR20 at 5Ghz. So, I think the thermals will be the initial wall people will hit.

 

It's up to the MB manufacturers what specs they want offer.

"But, as already noted, this is more of a theoretical consideration on many motherboards. Asus, for example, has already released the Core i9-9900K for 210 instead of just 119 watts, with the Core i9-9900KS nothing has changed. Also, the time span is not specified as 8 seconds as with Intel, the mainboards there often give 28 seconds"

They can even provide higher throttle temp target than in Intel's official specifications. The well known 115C temp treshold as an example.


https://www.computerbase.de/2019-10/intel-core-i9-9900ks-cpu-test/

 

i9-10900K ICC Max ~250A

For comparison a P870TM1 motherboard switches off at ~180A and a P870DM motherboard at ~120A...

 

The P870TM1 Motherboard was orginally intended for 8th gen (8700K) with headroom for more. Of course there wasn't need for Z390 but cut of at 180A insted for 193A. What with the x170 MB?

Edit. And the 10th gen unlocked BGA will be 8 cores. Put more cores would make a Mess.


I expect Clevo created the cooling on x170 for more efficient 10/7nm chips. Aka No need to redesign the cooling and chassis the coming years.

 

Well, at least it looks like Comet-L̶a̶k̶e̶--S will live up to it's name, reaching the temperatures of a reentery vehicle.

 

Well guys it seems we'll have to wait and see until we get our conclusions..

Hot walls or not i will save money to buy it for sure

Got in love with the design overall and the specs of course

 

It's not just the cores it's the clocks and all core sustained turbo speeds.

 

It is clear that the X170 was made with a certain compromise between thermal budget and size and they probably thought this would be good enough as it sits somewhere in between the previous P775 and P870 offerings and SLI won't come back.

Bet they did not really anticipate the extent of the core race that we see now between Intel and AMD and if the fastest Intel CPU will have 12 or more cores in the future people will also want to have that in their X170...

 

10th gen is a buffer. I expect next gen will be chiplet design with a much larger socket.

 

You guys think X170 will live a long time through several sockets like P7xx and P8xx laptops?

 

You forgot the second stopgap The well known +++++

Rocket Lake-S

Clevo usually milk long on a chassis. Only with minor changes.

See above <minor improvements>. They could make a Vapor Chamber heatsink. This as a improvement vs. previous model. They could do it today...But if they created it for this revision, nothing to show next year

 

A typical case of good enough to impress with some room for improvement - excellent product strategy

 

Due to the lower volume thr desktop chassis TDP have to put in more time to turn a profit.

 

In my system the real premium is the cooling system for the video card. 200W of power consumption @ less than 80°C is a thing of beauty. You guys think that is for the VC? What could one expect without the VC?

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MSI was usually known for better conventional cooling and they always used to run cooler than Clevos at the same noise level from what I have seen since ca. 2014. This changed with the vapor chamber design so it looks like it is at least part of the secret sauce that allows superior cooling.

 

Agreed, smaller systems will give better profit per time invested in R&D and also time on the market but there is still money to be made with a bigger chassis like the X170 that can be reused and upgraded for a number of years.

Obviously nobody really thinks at the moment that there is also money to be made with something significantly bigger but at least we still get the occasional (shrunken) 17" laptop and what is more important we still have at least two designs with (in theory) upgradable graphics.

 

I think there is a healthy balance point where the extra weight gives you that extra performance at the moment.

If say a 2080ti class chip could be used then a larger machine could be considered for that but otherwise going 2-3 kg heavier than the competition would not look good.

 

A mobile 2080ti or even 3080ti would be a very welcome justification for a bigger chassis as would be a wider support for Intel's so-called 125W TDP CPU's.

 

Historically, from what I remember only lower SKU's have seen mobile TI versions.

 

Then it's time to make history. The Quadro version of the 2080ti already made it into a laptop so it is not a big leap for the 2080ti or its successor to make it, too

 

I want one. what is it called? R5000?

 

I just researched this! holy crap. $7,000 is kinda high. But not to bad really. That RTX6000 is a monster! And it would eat gaming alive.

 

As a soldered and power limited part, yes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a powerful TI class mxm card to bench, but it's just not likely.

 

It’s called the Asus W590G6T.

It has a 300 watt power brick. So it is still probably allowed 200TDP to the RTX6000, and maybe 100TDP to the CPU.

This laptop has a huge amount of Cuda cores. it would eat up even higher power MXM gpu’s for sure.

So it may be 10-15% slower than a desktop RTX2080Ti?

 

I did not say it would be likely but it would be a justification for a bigger chassis to materialize.

That the RTX 6000 exists shows that Nvidia is not averse to let that chip be used in a laptop that will probably sell a very low number of units so why not allow for it to be put on an MXM card for gaming laptops. It would sell a lot better than an RTX 6000 solution that is only available in a ridiculously priced DTR that almost nobody knows about.

 

With regard to fps the Quadro cards do not perform as well as you would expect from their Cuda cores, they are not optimized for gaming. Of course they will wipe the floor with gaming cards when it comes to specialized processing that the Quadro cards were made for but for gaming purposes I am pretty sure that it will not even be competitive with the mobile 2080 cards.