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I would like to see some benches from that RTX 6000 (Notebook).
At least beating the best RTX 5000 MAX-P GPU score result (which has completely locked down clocks and can not be OCed at all) with a P5200 didn't take much in therms of clocks:


RTX 5000 (21894): https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21333018
P5200 (22161): https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21061524

 

Quadros GPU’s will game and perform 99% just as well as the geforce cards do. I owned a few P5000’s for desktops.

 

me too. I am extremely curious. it is 384 bit though with 4600+ cuda cores. it might perform with only 150-200TDP.

 

RTX 6000 Notebook is a 250W version:



But TDP isn't everything when you have NVIDIA's clock-block in full effect and can't even change them 1Mhz above or below stock...

 

I think the RTX6000 Mobile will do 28,000 in Firestrike graphics. It should be a minimum 25% faster than the RTX5000 Mobile.

No overclocking is allowed on these so that’s it I suppose.

 

That would put the RTX 6000 below the OCed 2080 despite its 2100Mhz clock block 3.0:

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19232282

 

Yep. sounds about right. it is a low power RTX6000 so I wouldn’t expect anything ground breaking. it still outperforms most overclocked 150TDP RTX2080 MXM. And it would do this right out of the gate. I imagine 4K gaming and or using timespy would show a larger gap.

 

Not in the mobile workstations where I saw them, but maybe I mixed up mobile and non-mobile cards as I remember one comparison with the GTX980(non-m) and possibly the corresponding Quadro was only a mobile chip and should have been compared to the 980m. As for another experience a friend went with a 1060m that was the equivalent to his Quadro card (3000?) and did a lot better than before when benching and got it sold at a nice price. I have to admit I never really looked into them that much as they are hideously expensive and a waste of money when you do not use their special capabilities so I am happy to hear that apart from pricing the unshackled RTX 6000 may be a really good option to get TI performance into a laptop.

 

The drivers are a bit behind in games usually as well as the focus is on stability and CAD apps.

 

I finally found out about the performance of the RTX 6000 and we were all wrong:

It has unbeatable performance!

Proof:
https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ProArt-StudioBook-One-W590G6T/



OK, after I stopped laughing I scrolled down to find a picture where they show how this thing looks under the hood and that is a LOT of power consumption crammed into such a tiny space!

 

They perform the same clock for clock. @Prema just posted a Quadro P5200 in firestrike which is technically just a GTX1080 and they perform on par with each other.

A desktop RTX4000 RTX5000 or RTX6000 will give you the exact same gaming experience as the geforce RTX counterparts.

Some of the mobile quadro options have a much lower TDP, so performance will not be as good. But this goes for anything.

A mobile RTX2080 Max Q performs like crap compared to a RTX2080 desktop. They are the same thing, same drivers, only one has lower power usage.

 

It probably actually really is unbeatable lol. it’ll mop the floor with 150TDP RTX2080 laptops for sure. it’s a monster for sure. I’d love to have one. That thing would eat 4K gaming faster than any other laptop around.

So, MXM mobile cards need to step it up with a RTX Super with higher TDP power limits.

 

In that case with that kind of TDP the RTX6000 should do very well if the cooling holds up, even at stock clocks.

That probably was the case then for the examples I saw, maybe also a lack of proper drivers. I think that due to the price most people will not consider Quadro cards for gaming unless they work with them for a living. Must be fun to game on the RTX 6000 after work

 

Low clocks will definitely not help it.

 

Even with low clocks, it won’t help. But it’ll still chug through anything. Those 4,600 cuda cores, and 384bit memory. 4K 120HZ panel actually makes sense for this laptop with gaming alone! This machine can certainly handle 4K 60+ gaming.

I’d take one in a second. And who knows, that RTX6000 inside may be 200TDP. or 190TDP.

I wish we could purchase a MXM card like this one. Where is the 2080Ti in MXM? we need one so bad.

 

Quadro driver attempt to keep the fps locked as consistent as possible.

e.g. on the P5200 with Quadro driver they stay constantly locked at 50fps than jump straight to constant 60 or 70fps whenever it could hold those.
When using the Geforce driver clocks would jump into the 120fps region then all the way down to 50fps and everything inbetween.

Hence Quadro driver are perfect for VR and things where stability of fps matters more than maximum framerates.

 

I would happily run either option. My old desktop Quadro P5200 was a fantastic GPU. I bought it for really cheap to re-sale, I ran it for a few months, and sold it. The I just went back to GTX1080. I didn’t notice any performance difference. only bad thing, I couldn’t overclock the P5200 though.

 

There is no Desktop P5200...just a P5000/P6000.

 

it was a P5000.

 

Nvidia has said no so far.

 

If it was like $3,999 it would be a compelling choice for gamers looking for a high end laptop.

It is certainly a better value than the mothership laptop.

They should have called the rtx6000 laptop the mothership haha.

 

I've no problem with a halo product that's got the power to back it up.

 

I eyed that laptop for a long time, thinking of putting liquid metal on it the first day I'd get it, like my macbook lol. Then I saw what quadro drivers do to limit gaming performance. Trust me there is a difference inbetween rtx gpu's and quadro gpu's. I've been in the same position as you, I was gaming on a quadro p5000, quadro p5200, quadro m4000m, quadro m2000m, quadro m2200 and lastly a quadro 2000m (yes I spent A LOT of money on these cards...). From my experience @Prema is correct. They always perform lower than their gtx/rtx counterparts due to no overclocking ability and a small amount of gpu boost.

 

Finally something that I like, I wish they packed some 3'' subs in that lol. This will blow the macbook away for sure. I'm literally thinking of selling it and going back to clevo, they've outdone themselves again!

 

That's not a mothership, more like a baby boat.

We got to hand it to Asus and Nvidia: What a brilliant decision to only make the most powerful mobile graphics available in this silly contraption.
It is such a waste and must feel like a slap in the face for people who would love to get their hands on that kind of graphics power in a REAL laptop.

 

Reading this post had my dying. “Baby boat” hilarious lol

 

Well that RTX 6000 system was announced beginning of September of last year and it's still not shipping...that hungry little chip is fed by a 48v AC adapter.
I do like the the lid opening for cooling idea...

 

this one?

Spoiler

https://www.globaldata.pt/portatil-...uadro-rtx-6000-120hz-w10-pro-w590g6t-99bq6sp1

yes 13k € for it LOL

 

The announcement and delayed availability reminds me of the GX800 - at least that thing was a beast. Gimped, but a beast that in today's slim bezel era could hold a 20" screen.

Looking at the product page they also recommend a very special opening angle of the lid for optimum cooling. I guess one would be out of luck if you want maximum performance and for some reason you prefer a different angle...

I'd also think that it will be quite top-heavy as is and that they must have been restricted with the cooling because at some point that thing will just topple over if you add any more cooling hardware.
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Why get 3 to 5 of the X170 when you can get one of those instead

And you will never have to think about upgradability anymore as you will forever be stuck with both the exact (not that great) CPU and (clockblocked) GPU that you bought it with.But then who would want upgradability and maximum performance when paying that kind of money, that's completely overrated

 

High end quadros are never cheap.

 

I know

If I had the money I'd buy it. For the purpose that it is for, it's worth the money

 

Just checked and only found one Euro price for the RTX 6000 desktop version and it is 4000 Euros. That's more than three times as much as what you'd pay for a really good 2080TI.

Looks like Nvidia making VERY good money on these as the price of the hardware will not be that much more than for a 2080 TI.

 

Anyone hear more on the specs of that fancy 4k 1000nit screen this x170sm comes with, like refresh rate? G-sync? Think its pin compatible with my p870? I've currently got the 1440p 120hz and love everything but the 72% ntsc. If that panel is above 60hz, with G-sync, AND all the rest.......(fingers crossed )

 

The only model in the market with that specs is AUO B173ZAN03.3 ..If there is else around, I don't know. The same one used in Razer Blade Pro. And according to @XMG , Auo has a quite hefty price tag for it.

 

So the current top end i7 that x170 supports, is the 10700K, an 8c/16t part at 3.8Ghz base and 4.7Ghz all core, 125W TDP.
While 9900KS 4Ghz base, 5Ghz all core turbo 127W / 9900K 3.6Ghz base, 4.7Ghz all core. Pretty much an identical part, still on the 14++nm,

Given the fact the newer revisions take a significant performance hit due to security patches, up to x1.5-2 bin. Where 5.2Ghz P0 revision outscores 5.4 R0 in synthetics such as FS.
I doubt that even with IPC improvement it will be any better than the 9900K/KF P0. However, for the R0 it might be an improvement.

This is of course looking with "i only game/bench" glasses, where we don't care much about the security.

 

It's supposed to be making money so the cost is negligible

 

@jc_denton well if I am correct, i9 doesn't work with 5ghz out of the box. We are talking here about overclocked chip.

No one can tell what will happen when we overclock i7 10700K. Mby it will clock even better than i9.

And last point. Clevo might not sell it with i9. Or might not design it to keep up with it. But one thing is sure about this forum, we as community do crazy and sick things. Like running i9 on z170

So I would just say...

 

The higher TDP would mean better clocks on average.

 

i9-10900K stock 1C TVB is 5.3Ghz

 

We was writing about I9 9900k/9900KS. Though frequency on 10900K is sick. I couldnt hit these clocks stable on two different i9 chips.

 

Intel's TVB doesn't do much good in laptops, as it's will only boost to when temperature is <50c

 

Intel do likely select a best core to do this.

 

9900KS runs 5Ghz on all 8 cores by default. P870TM1:

Spoiler

[\SPOILER]

 

Not for long with that kinda voltage lol.

 

That's just idle voltage. That sample worked fine in the system with 5.2Ghz all core but got unstable at 5.3Ghz...the KS needs a little less voltage (50-100mV) to do so than the 9900K but hit the same wall.

 

I know it’s idle voltage but still, even under a load. It wouldn’t run in my system. i’m at the wall with a really good 6 core at 5Ghz as it is.

 

P870TM1 CPU cooling can handle a bit more power compared to the P7 models. Those 5.2/5.3Ghz are just benching and not daily driver clocks.
That KS could run stock 5Ghz all core turbo with a 180mV undervolt, which is quite impressive and helps a lot to qualify as daily driver.

 

You mean Intel switched to AMD's way? Only same single core will hit max boost? I doubt it with only 10 cores chips.

 

Does anyone know the release date? I've been looking at the aorus 17-ya and it seems to handle the 9980hk very well, a bit of undervolting/overclocking/lapping/liquid metal and you got a 9900k