*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

Coming from a first user of AMD based laptop some 13yrs ago... AMD was the first to bring low power consuming CPUs(Athlon/Turion) to consumers of mass produced mobile systems.
I personally is of course impressed and excited by AMD's latest product score to trounce the blue bully whom had been juicing monies from consumers around the world.

Does efficient and performance in computing needs to be very expensive to own?

 

Too bad about that. I still think that one has to make a distinction between inevitable changes in architecture and the rather nasty case of hardware that mainly seems to be prevented from working with newer CPU's in order to sell a new laptop or new desktop PC periphery to customers. A lucrative business with the suckers who think they always need the latest and greatest.

As for people who aren't like that I think that Clevo will also be in predicament where many will not buy the X170 because they do not know if upcoming Ampere GPU's will be compatible with that chassis.

 

I heard about this, I hope some bios mod can be done where the microcode is injected into the bios. Only problem I see is with pcie 4.0 compatibility. There is no way I’m upgrading my top of the line x470 board, especially when I got a monoblock with it

 

Posting this one again, hopefully x170 will be able to do R15, lol

 

Lol “ We took the chiller from Bob’s fish aquarium“

 

When picking between the lesser of two evils, the only loser is you. At least one of them doesn't burn down your house.

 

They said they would support it until 2020 so we always knew there was going to be a break.

 

Blame Clevo for using a "4th gen" chipset instead of a 5th gen one..
That and using PCIe 2.0 on one of the m.2 slots...
And such a crap power management, and not even a basic moving average filter for the fan RPM, so they dont pulsate so much, or many other things, its another mediocre laptop with crap firmware, but, its Clevo, what where you all expecting?..

 

B550 was not available during development, notebooks take longer to develop than desktop motherboards.

 

Intel Core i9-10900K 10 Core Flagship CPU Runs Very Hot & Consumes 235W Power at 4.8 GHz – Over 90C Temps With a 240mm AIO Cooler wccftech | Apr 11, 2020

The 340w Unified heatsink will glow blinking red if you add in load from the 200W 2080 Super card simultaneously with Intel's 10 Core Flagship

 

*puts on welder googles*
That's one crispy chip brother! We all knew cramming two additional cores into the archaic 14nm+++ would be a sight to behold.
As information came in, we saw what monstrosity Intel had created.
190W at stock all core boost in R20
...going above required a -20c chiller to hit 5.4Ghz in the much lighter R15

220W TDP, power delivery running 90c, 93c stock all core boost, with a lapped die plus thicker IHS and on a 240mm AIO, and that is on a very light AIDA64 stress test.
Prime95 will melt the core and VRMs.

 

Aida64 stress “FPU” only checked put more heat than you think Imagine how this would looks like if Intel would try compete with AMD’s middle tier chips (3900x) and put in 12 cores

 

Yikes! 7nm can't come soon enough! Perhaps i'll wait this one out! I'd go AMD but their GPU is capped at a 2070 and soldered...

 

I meant light when compared to Prime95, lol. But yes, the 10th gen launch is going to be fun to watch from the sidelines.

 

When Prime95 is no longer effective for stress testing... Linpack Xtreme 1.1.3

Aida64 FPU stress test (uses avx instructions) is more than good enough for notebooks - even desktops. 233W load with the desktop won't be the final results if you run the same chips at same clock speed in the new burning Gaming Flagship from Dell or coming Clevo X170

We should be thankful we won't get this mess... That awkward moment when the Core i7-10875H outperforms the more expensive Core i9-10980HK

 

Yeah the system is getting more important than the chip, which in a way is good because it means each chassis is getting what it can.

 

He's pulling 200 amps. That means his CPU Vcore is between 1.175v to 1.20v at full load, depending on how accurate his "Package Power is. CPU Package Power= VID * IOUT, and VID is usually higher than vcore so it could be over-reported, but he hid everything important . And 1.175v-1.20v (200 amps * 1175mv = 235W) seems a bit too high voltage for this easy test. This is too high for 4.8 ghz in Stress FPU. It should be able to run much lower than that. My 9900k only needs about 1.15v load for this @ 4.8 ghz and my chip is average.

This all depends on how accurate his CPU Package Power is.
The orignal chinese post says he's pulling 200 amps (if you run it through a translation). 200 amps on a 10 core= 20 amps per core=160 amps on a 9900k. A 240mm AIO is not going to be able to cool a 160 amp 9900k very well either.

 

Cool. Linpack Extreme (LinX) 1.1.3. Means it's using a newer MDL library than LinX 0.9.6
What to run when you want your laptop to instantly reset, reach 100C, or your desktop to BSOD, faster than Prime95 small FFT FMA3 can do it.

 

Nice, needed a heater for the next winter

 

To be fair to it, gaming won't push it that high in terms of power usage and temperatures. So I expect to see 4.8Ghz and ~85c while gaming.

 

Yeah we are getting into the extremes of furmark like punishment there which if you want to use it as a scientific aide that's fair enough but for most users a good test is a heavy game on both CPU and GPU.

 

I would be more critical of them running Furmark + stress test if it wasn't for the 240mm AIO. But I agree, for the X170 you would want to test something like Warzone or BF:V and see where temps settle.

 

Yeah they are a good idea how a punishing gaming session will be.

 

More so when it's on a unified heatsink for the x170.

 

Intel "Alder Lake" LGA1700 to Feature DDR5; "Rocket Lake" Thermal Specs Leaked techpowerup.com | Today

PTT leaked some juicy details of the upcoming Intel "Rocket Lake" and "Alder Lake" processor generations. "Rocket Lake" will power Intel's 11th generation Core processor series in the LGA1200 package, and are rumored to be a "back port" of Intel's advanced "Willow Cove" CPU cores to a 14 nm-class silicon fabrication node, with core-counts ranging up to 8. The idea for Intel is to sell high IPC, high clock-speed desktop processors for gaming.

According to the PTT report, there will be three kinds of SKUs for "Rocket Lake" based on TDP: 8-core parts with 95 W TDP rating; and 8-core, 6-core, and 4-core parts in 80 W TDP and 65 W TDP variants. For the 95 W (PL1) parts, the power-levels PL2, and PL4 are reportedly set at 173 W and 251 W, respectively, and a 56-second Tau (a timing variable that dictates how long a processor can stick around at an elevated power-state before retreating to PL1, which is interchangeable with the TDP value on the box). The 80 W TDP parts feature 146 W PL2, 191 W PL3, and 251 W PL4, but a lower Tau value of 28 seconds. For the 65 W parts, the PL2 is 128 W, PL3 is 177 W, and PL4 251 W, and the Tau value 28 seconds.

The report also points to the high likelihood of Intel's upcoming LGA1700 socket, on which "Alder Lake" debuts, to feature DDR5 memory interface. According to @Chiakokhua (The Retired Engineer), interpreting the PTT report, "Alder Lake-S" can reportedly handle DDR5 at 4800 GT/s (reference), with one 1DPC (one DIMM per channel, interchangeable with one single-rank DIMM per channel). With 2DPC (two DIMMs per channel or one dual-rank DIMM per channel), the memory controllers can only handle data rates of up to 4000 GT/s reference. Overclocking will be possible in both cases. At least 6 PCB layers will become a practical necessity for motherboard designers to have typical 2DPC-capable setups (four DIMM slots).Sources: PTT Online, Chiakokhua (Twitter), MeibuW (Twitter)

" The idea for Intel is to sell high IPC, high clock-speed desktop processors for gaming". It looks like Intel have given up compete with AMD regarding pure multi threaded performance.

 

8x HT cores ~5Ghz and 8x small non-HT 5.3Ghz?

 

I remember @Prema mentioning the 10-core was not officially supported in January.

Sounds like the XMG Ultra 17 M20 aka X170SM-G will support 10-cores?

Clevo changed their minds?

 

I don't know where it will lands. Everything is only rumors. But if Intel continue its own mess, AMD will continue have fun with Intel with their next gen chips.

Intel Alder Lake-S CPUs To Feature DDR5 Memory Support on LGA 1700 Motherboards, Rocket Lake-S Desktop CPU TDPs Detailed

 

I could see it going that way, since they will likely bet on frequency. As AMD got the core game under its belt.

 

AMD's Ryzen 4000 desktop CPUs rumored to have higher than 15-17% IPC gains over current Zen 2 models, could utterly destroy Intel's Comet Lake-S lineup

And coming Rocket lake won't change where Intel is for the moment. In its own league...

 

Every dog has it's day

 

35 percent more economical with the double amount cores. 10 cores Comet lake wont change this. Neither the Rocket lake.


AMD Ryzen 9 3950X - The flagship for socket AM4 in the test notebookcheck.net | Today

 

In terms of multithread there is nothing Intel can do no.

 

Unless there is a new MXM form factor, it should work with a bios update from my understanding. In the past there were iterations of a new heatsink for new cards however, a vaporchamber would inflate that upgrade a great deal. MXM cards are already way too expensive as is.

 

It would be nice if SFF really could adopt mxm and lower prices and increase availability. It's a bit chicken and egg.

 

We have also the Gpu components move around lottery on PCB. Not only the MXM form factor change. At least we have the magician @Prema who can follow up any firmware changes. Worse for those with Worlds most powerful laptop (Dell lock everything - bios is locked as a 100 years old virgin).

 

is UHD w/1000-nits true? Also, does anyone know if 2080S MXM will be 150W or 200W?

Seems my next DTR will be a Clevo. Yeah im pretty much done with current laptop, they won't ever fix some things.

 

200w graphics and I’m quite sure about specs on the panel.

 

1000 nits mini LED UHD panel was said to be one of the panel options. Didn't say anything about refresh rates though.

Edit: Just checked the bestware site and they only show a normal IPS UHD as an option for now, not sure if the LED display will be available at launch or only a bit later:
https://bestware.com/en/xmg-ultra-17.html

 

Still no service manual on Clevo's e-channel ... or any other info.

Fortune, XMG and so on already have it in their site. Wonder why this is

 

They are keeping their cards close to the chest. We did get most info from that LTT video anyway. Now it's all about waiting for numbers and testing.

 

Just checked, they charge an extra +275 euros for the UHD panel, add the price of the FHD panel it replaces, say 30 euros, total over 300 euros. The most venerable AUO 4K IPS panel can be had for as little as $60 and that's to the end consumer, therefore either this panel is something different, or they are taking the p*ss.

 

That is a normal surcharge and does not indicate a special panel, Eurocom for example charges 312$ to add a 4k panel to the 870 chassis which is a higher surcharge than for the XMG, for Evoc/HiDevolution it is 275$ for the 775 chassis.

 

You have to swap and test the panel, so there is time and then it's covered by warranty and then there needs to be a profit for the company.

No different to any other industry.

 

Yeah, the UHD panel for X170 is something special/ different

 

Great I am looking forward to it.

In the meantime I just bought a semi-budget, gaming desktop for my son who's been working from home due to the virus. I went onto userbenchmarks to refresh my memory about the current state of graphics cards, and long story short it seems the RTX 2080 Desktop is only 33% faster than the GTX 1080 mobile which I have on my laptop. It seems to me a whole load of money and effort for +33% ? Seeing as how many games struggle with 4K, is the RTX 2080 the answer or should we wait for Autumn to see the new Nvidia / AMD cards?

For reference, the setup I settled to is Ryzen 5 3600 CPU and Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT graphics with the "ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q 28 inch LED IPS Gaming Monitor"

 

Embargo for 10th gen lifts today, it's going to be a wild ride.

 

5.2ghz CB R20, 1.199v load, 6810 pts
*Edit* WHEA L0 error rather fast, or system service exception or Kernel security trap failure. Needs about 1.235v load voltage to pass fully @ 5.2 ghz.

Maximus 12 extreme and 10900k engineering sample w/retail stepping 5 / Q0

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-10900k-tested-and-compared-with-ryzen-9-3900x-3950x

• i9 10900K power consumption and temperature are high again, 360 integrated water cooling is the minimum heat dissipation standard

 

If you talk about Nvidia 3xxx Mobile it won't come this year. Maybe summer 2021.

The Origin PC EON17-X crams Intel's 10-core desktop CPU into a laptop Pcworld.com | Today
The Origin PC EON17-X laptop comes loaded with Intel's newest desktop processors and Nvidia's best graphics gear.

The beauty with Intel... Less cores, less multithreaded performance, no PCIe 4.0 support but still 20% more expensive. At least they win in something that matter. For themself

Intel's new CPUs are here but AMD's 12-core Ryzen 9 3900X is cheaper than ever Pcworld.com | Today
The Ryzen 9 3900X is $410, its cheapest price yet at Amazon.