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Gaming performance and burst turbo is faster.

 

9th gen was as well. No need pay $500 for those tasks. The cheaper 10700K will be the gaming chips in same way as 9700K was. But I expect it’s fun with something new. Won’t see much of a difference in gaming vs. laptops from last year. Nvidia destroyed for that.

 

The x170 can be ordered now from orgin PC.

https://www.originpc.com/gaming/lap...60e&MID=AFF_CJ&utm_source=cj&medium=affiliate

 

After 51 pages of discussion we need reviews!

 

Doubt anyone has received their order

 

Yeah it's going to take a little bit.

 

Sabrent will be the saviour for lack of 2.5" sata slot and bigger drives in X170

Sabrent Launches World's First 8 Terabyte M.2 NVMe SSD techpowerup.com | Today

Sabrent, a company focused on making storage devices and PC accessories, today announced the release of the world's first 8 terabyte NVMe SSD delivered in the M.2 form factor. The new SSD dubbed Rocket Q 8 TB NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD is a real treat for all SSD enthusiasts. Besides its staggering capacity, it has plenty of features as well. Built on top of 3D QLC NAND Flash memory chips, the Rocket Q SSD is supposed to deliver very high speeds on PCIe 3.0 x4 bus. With up to 3.4 GB/sec reads, and up to 3 GB/sec writes, the SSD is pushing the limits of the PCIe 3.0 x4 bus that it is designed to work for.

Rocking a Phison's E12S controller, it is supposed to maintain high speeds even on random 4K reads and writes. The company didn't reveal too many details about the performance, however, we can wait for some reviews. The SSD is PCIe 3.1 Compliant, NVMe 1.3 Compliant, and supports SMART and TRIM commands. With a purchase of this SSD, you get a free copy of Sabrent Acronis True Image for Sabrent Software for easy cloning. Pricing and availability are unknown.

 

Watching Buildzoid testing the 10900K on a 280mm AIO, 5.2Ghz <97c and pulls around ~350W in R20. The thinner die was a must for Intel at this point, and it's interesting that it's only the K SKUs that get this extra strep. Now the non-K will suffer higher temps due to missing this.

What would be inertsting to me, is to take a die lapped 9900Kx and see how it fairs against the 10900k, in terms of power and OC.

 

This is a liquid cooler that struggles to pull the heat out of the CPU, the X170 is a copper block with 5 heatpipes for the CPU (340W 11heatpipes total). It's going to have a tough time to fight hotspots and distribute heat evenly. A vapor chamber would have helped a lot with this problem.

10700K might be a bet all around option from looking at performance gains with a lapped die, which we already kinda knew ourselves from lapping our 8 core chips.

 

Non-K will have power limits and be fine.

 

Yes, but point was it will run hotter clock for clock, but being power limited that's is not much of a problem outside of tuning for noise.

 

Clock for clock with the old chips it will be the same, there is no need really.

 

Weird no one have mentioned this awkward back to the past or the 1990s for the new and shiny... I wonder why Clevo cheaped out on the built-in PC Camera for Clevo X170: Go from 2.0M on older models down to 1.0M specs on their latest and greatest isn't exactly progress when we now are in 2020's. Less is more is the golden rule nowadays. Same way as they removing ssd slots. Sad direction.

See also... It's 2020 and laptops still have 1 MP cameras. What gives?

See also... Modern times. Thin instead for Thickness (Thin branding is a must to be able to sell, lool). Yeah, nice. Almost as a promo from Apple.

 

Transplant the module over lol.

 

An unrelated question for the experts. With ambient at 25C the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with the factory cooler achieves around 80W-85W with fan on max (1890RPM) and temps mid-90s and freq at 3.8GHz out of max 4.2GHz. It seems to me rather hot to run at 95C - can anyone please advise me on this? Considering we can extract up to 110W of heat from the much smaller i9-8950 inside the laptop and with a much smaller heatsink and much smaller fans, I cannot understand why my Ryzen is getting so hot. Maybe the factory cooler is crap? But then why would they even bundle it inside the CPU box?

 

Wrong thread. This is the one you’re looking for: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xmg-apex-15-with-ryzen-3950x.832568/

 

Memory OC is looking quite good on the 10900K, so that's neat.

 

Yeah, it's nice have something to fall back on when the Cpu o'clock headroom is almost nowhere. Not all will be able to push all cores equal max single/two core boost. And I don't talk about in laptops. All we have left is Memory OC'ing

 

I'm not really too concerned about thermals. I mean, for overclocking purposes a 10700k is probably going to be better than a 10900k and a 10700k is basically a 9900k. If you could fit one of those in clevos last 17 inch chassis without crazy temps, why would this one with a higher cooling capacity struggle to cool it? Not to mention, the k series CPUs basically come pre lapped.

I'm no expert, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

We talk more about the 10 core flagship chips A different animal than the 8 core chips. Remove +250w heat is a thought task even for air cooled desktops.

 

Looks like a very good replacement for conventional hard drives that even may have similar sustained write speeds

Of couse you will have a very hard time to verify that as sites like Tweaktown have joined the higher and higher number of test sites that do not show sustained write speeds any more. Better to not confuse customers with some inconvenient truths that may disturb the great cheap NVME lovefest...

 

Forgive me for I am definitely out of the loop on M2 NVME (I still haven't moved on from my beloved 2.5" SATA Evo 850 drives), but what's the issue with sustained writes? Is the controller overheating and throttling?

 

Eh most people are not doing sustained writes to be fair.

 

But as you know, ram overclocking is a deep rabbit hole brother

 

Not a problem with the best NVMe drives. The problem occur with drives who contain TLC/QLC nand. But as usual... They are cheaper for a reason.

At least if the ODM lock out everything outside default and or XMP profile

 

What happened to the 1000 Nit Micro LED screen?

 

You imagined it.

Probably another feature being pushed back due to the pandemic.

 

I find it hard to make good use of an 8TB SSD without sustained writes.
If I need no performance at all and just some storage where I can dump 8TB I will still use a regular HDD at less than 20% of the price of the SSD.

 

Overheating is another issue but they drop in speed even when well cooled. TLC drivers used to have these issues, too but at least for some of them they are now pretty much solved and the new QLC drives really look very bad with sustained writes - if you need them that is, probably not important for a system drive for example.

Here is a good example by the way of the better drives easily being 10 times faster than the Intel 660P with QLC:

https://images.tweaktown.com/content/8/7/8702_05_intel-ssd-660p-review-consumer-qlc-debut.png
https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8702/intel-ssd-660p-review-consumer-qlc-debut/index2.html

Last but not least the ****ty sustained writes often also come with ****ty longevity but it stands to reason that if you want to write a lot on your SSD you would not choose an SSD that gets down in write speed that much.

 

Hey guys, I am in China right now.

So, basically from what I heard, a system with the 2080s (200watt) and 1080p 144hz gsync display with all the gizmos like RGB lighting, fingerprint scanner also including keyboard per key rgb etc is costing about 17000 ish RMB or about 2400usd, add in the cpu and ram and storage,you will get your final cost.

placed an order for a 10900k+2080s model, should be getting hands on it mid June, will update when I get my hands on this puppy.

 

That's awesome! I was going to order from orgin PC but their prices seemed a little high. 2400 for the 2080 super, display and everything else sans the CPU ram and storage sounds really nice. Where did you order it from?

 

It's still cheaper than the Area 51m r2, which is $3000 for the base model.

 

Most definitely! And it comes with the plus of actually being upgradeable lol. Orgin PC list their base model with a 2060 and i5 for ~2500. If I can get one from where the guy three posts above us got one with a 2080 super for 2500, I'd be one happy camper .

 

And one less fire hazard in the household

 

How many times do you need to dump 8TB in one go and it matters if it throttles down to 1.5-2GB/sec? Still way faster than a HDD.

You are way out of the scope of most users at that point.

 

I never said it was about dumping 8TB in one go, I even pointed out that for just dumping 8TB of data (not in one go but over time) an HDD might be fine.
With what I have witnessed with regard to QLC it can already be punishingly slow if you write 100 or 200GB on a QLC drive. Speed could go down to close to 1G by the way, not 1.5 or 2. As for most users I would say that they will never even consider buying an 8TB NVME drive in the first place

 

QLC is QLC, that's not throttling, that's just the nature of the storage. No amount of heatsinks is going to save you there.

 

So are origin and obsidian the only U.S resellers that are offering this laptop at the moment?

 

Basically, there’s a place called TieBa in China which is sort of like reddit, where they have different subs. There’s an official one for barebone PCs. I dug around, asked people and got to a seller for it. He has a store on Taobao or aliexpress known to people abroad.

Now I am trying to sum up my cost.

2500+580 (CPUs are more expensive in China,but this is the tray price and my seller will offer it too) + 300 (2TB Samsung pm981a) + 280 (2 x 32GB Samsung 3200 sticks)

comes out to about 3600 after everything included.

So basically 10900k+2080s+64GB ram with 2TB SSD costs about this.

I heard people in some groups discussing foreign barebone PC providers and their prices, and they said barebones are usually cheaper in China due to lower shipping/support/customizing etc.

the seller isn’t telling me the exact price yet because they have NDA but I did say a couple prices and he told me which one was the closest (increment about 100usd each time, lol)

NDA will expire early June, and they will ship out my system 2nd week of June. Quite excited tbh, haha.

 

Just to add a little bit of more info in this, the sellers here are saying they will get the barebones in early June, so expect pics inside, videos disassembling it about then.

The resellers will ship out accordingly afterwards. I think people abroad should also be getting hands about or after mid June earliest.

 

Nevermind!

 

And you'll have to pay extra to get the keyboard per key rgb lighning as well to come on par with X170 base specs.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r2-owners-lounge.832848/page-18#post-11016853

Depends how you see it. Slow down can easly be called throttling Too hot or cache run full, just means throttling in my (distorted )world. Put it in context... Once Cpu hit TAU limit, the Cpu will kick down clock speed during full load(if follow specs). Some call it throttling as well. Unwanted behaviour.
https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/What-is-QLC-flash-and-what-workloads-it-is-good-for

 

Yep, even though it actually is just the ****ty QLC flash revealing its true nature it will FEEL like throttling when somebody bought an NVME SSD and speed goes down by 90+%

 

That's too broad a term for throttling to the point it looses its meaning.

A term like unwanted also varies by user. For a person making a small machine with a 125W cooler that advertised TDP number is important.

 

I was digging around for a 4K 120hz display and seem to found one at the moment, though they are rarely in stock. B173zan03.3
That’s the part number. I am gonna see if I can get one to be installed on X170SM-G.

 

Maybe AMD will rob the only advantage Intel have for now (gaming). And of course with cheaper products and better multi threaded performance. The only thing AMD will lack, is the Intel sticker Can't rob that. But if they did that on top, then they would be sued, LOOL

Possible 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" XT SKU Clock Speeds Surface techpowerup.com by btarunr Today, 04:29
Last week, we brought you reports of AMD inching closer to launch its 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" processor lineup to ward off the 10th gen Intel Core "Comet Lake" threat, by giving the "Zen 2" chips possible clock speed-bumps to shore up performance. The lineup included the Ryzen 9 3900XT, the Ryzen 7 3800XT, and the Ryzen 5 3600XT. We now have a first-look at their alleged clock speeds courtesy of an anonymous tipster on ChipHell forums, seconded by HXL @9550pro.

The XT SKUs indeed revolve around 200-300 MHz increments in base- and boost clock speeds as many of our readers predicted in the "Matisse Refresh" article's comments section. The 3900XT comes with 4.10 GHz base clock, and 4.80 GHz max boost clocks, compared to 4.10 GHz base and 4.80 GHz boost clocks of the 3900X. Likewise, the 3800XT notches up to 4.20 GHz base clock (highest in the lineup), and 4.70 GHz max boost, compared to 3.90-4.50 GHz of the 3800X. The 3600XT offers the same 4.70 GHz max boost, a step up from the 4.40 GHz of the 3600X, but has its base clock set at 4.00 GHz, compared to 3.80 GHz on the 3600X. It appears like AMD's design focus is to reduce, if not beat, Intel's gaming performance lead. The 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" tops gaming performance by a mid-high single-digit percentages over AMD's offerings, and AMD could bring them down to low single-digit percentages with the XT family.

 

But thanks to infinity fabric limits you will see gains dropping off pretty hard past 4.4Ghz. A 5Ghz exotic cooled chip does not perform as you would expect it to.

 

Not the big difference between Intel and the best AMD chips in gaming. With an coming new Ryzen chips I’m sure AMD will try it’s best to come closer or even on par with gaming performance. Intel can’t do much more on the same old 14+++*. New arch will give higher IPC but clock speed is most likely at its end for 14nm.

 

It's an interesting time for sure.

 

You mean for Intel?