*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

For many sellers here in the USA these have been shipping for the last 4 days...

 

Was it a dual or single rank 3000MT/s kit that was deemed unstable?

 

I've informed at a reseller and the 4K 60hz screen seems to have this panel, B173ZAN03.0.
https://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN03.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_45252.html

AdobeRGB, with *only* 16.7 million colors.

 

Good question, I do not know, though I ordered a dual channel setup so maybe both

 

Hello All,

I just put an order @xoticpc in for one of these laptops yesterday with the below options. Hopefully I will get her in by next week? (fingers crossed). When it does get delivered I am more than willing to do whatever benches/tests you guys need to help out so I can see whats the best clocks we can get out of this beast.


PACKAGE CONTENTS:

x1 SAGER NP9670M (CLEVO X170SM-G) - Base price
x1 Slot 1 M.2 SATA/PCIe - 500GB WD Blue M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - Default
x1 Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Paste- GPU & CPU - SKU 10222SGR
x1 30 Day "No Dead Pixel" Guarantee
x1 Rush Build
x1 RAM - 64GB Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM at 3200MHz- 4 X 16GB
x1 Processor - INTEL® CORE™ I9-10900K (20MB CACHE, 3.7 - 5.3GHZ, 10 CORE | 20 THREAD ) 125W
x1 Graphics Card - NVIDIA® GEFORCE® RTX™ 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6
x1 Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads
x1 NP9670 SMART Lithium-Ion BATTERY PACK (8 CELLS 97 WH)
x1 Prema BIOS
x1 Remove All Branding

 

Anyone know if this laptop is using PWM dimming for brightness control?
Do most Clevo/Sager screens use PWM?
Hard to find anything on this subject.

 

Nice! I'd love a fan noise test, idle, browsing and load.

 

What was the size of the kit ie. 2x8Gb?

 

I believe all Clevo suppliers have stock now. We will be shipping our first units next week

 

so what difference are we talking about between 2070s, 2080, and 2080s on average? performance wise
a 2070s being close to a 2060 desktop?
a 2080s being a 2070s desktop?
if the 2080s is 150w is it closer to a 2070 desktop or lower?

 

Correct

 

I agree, but the i7 should do the job even well-er? ;-) It's a price and temp question too, I understand that.

EDIT: It does seem the 10600K/KF really is a good gaming performer and should be for the coming 2-3 years. That's cool. Easy way to save money, and it's actually possible to change this for a i7 or i9 down the road. Cool.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...TX-2080-Super-Mobile_9621_10231.247598.0.html

It's hard to say as benchmarks are generic until they are presented in a real life machine. This is a comparison I made between the card I have (2080 Max-Q) and the card I want (2080S Mobile);

Of the games I am interested in, I should get quite the boost in fps with a 2080S. The gains goes from a low but fair +11% to a whopping +43%. That averages out to +26% better performance for me. I know you can't take this as face value, as other factors play in, but seeing as the CPU would get a nice bump too for me, these numbers are not completely unreliable I think. I'm really tempted to go for it.

The last thing holding me back is the fan noise. No real reports on this so far. I know you can get temps down fairly good with UV and lowering turbo and Oblivion have really good software too. Hmmmm...

Doom Eternal 2020 - +43% fps
Red Dead Redemption 2 2019 - +16% fps
Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order 2019 - +30% fps
Borderlands 3 2019 - +31% fps
Far Cry New Dawn 2019 - +23% fps
Metro Exodus 2019 - +25% fps
Just Cause 4 2018 - +13% fps
Darksiders III 2018 - +39% fps
Hitman 2 2018 - +18% fps
Assassin´s Creed Odyssey 2018 - +11% fps
Shadow of the Tomb Raider 2018 - +39% fps

 

Or you do a shunt mod and your Max-Q will perform almost the same as the 2080S.

And most of those games the difference in FPSs is at 1080p where the game is being CPU limited, I checked a couple values and the 2080 Max-Q has a 9750H CPU, the 2080S is on a 10850HK laptop, you are comparing a 6vs8 core CPU with much higher clocks..

 

Something seems to be terribly wrong with the entire RTX 2080S laptop lineup.

Jarrod made some benchmarks with the new MSI laptop which has rtx 2080s with 150W tdp and the MSI gt76 with rtx 2080 200w tdp easely beats it.
(It's not the CPU, both have 8 core/16 thread processor)

I know that the 50W difference can make a difference in benchmarks and games, however I don't think that the difference should be so big, considering that the S has more shaders. I think that due to the more shaders the 150W S should perform close or the same as the 200W 2080, but no, its like if two 2080 cards were compared.
Not to mention that there was a game where 2070S performed better than the 2080S...





Did Nvidia mess up something ?

 

That depends on the cooling and VRMs.

 

2070 super mobile should be better than the 2060 super desktop as far as I am aware.

 

Probably CPU limitation.

 

The X170 has been Premafied already? That was quick!

 

Hey guys, my tracking from sagernotebook.com shows it will be here on Wednesday. Let me know what kind of benchmarks you want me to run on it and I'll share results.

I had one more question about it. I have a 512GB m.2 2260 SATA drive (Micron mtfdday512mbf) and wondering if anyone knows if it will fit or if I need to get an adapter to extend it to 2280. None of the pictures I can find of the drive slots show the SATA m.2 connection that clear.

Laptop Specs:
SPECIAL 9670M SPECIAL PACKAGE
NB9670B20M 17.3" FHD/IPS/144Hz/N7/MATT 8K07SC162426
CG-TGK Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on CPU+GPU
D-I710700K Core i7 10700K Processor
V9670-2080S nVIDIA RTX 2080 Super W/G-Sync
R4-32G-1C32 C/S 32G 3200DDR4 (1x32)

I already had a 970 EVO Plus 1TB drive I plan on putting in it so I ordered it without a drive/os. I want to use the 512GB as a spare where I can store docs/files I don't use often.

Edit: I think I answered my own question. Looking at this image ( https://download.schenker-tech.de/m...0/2560/200721_XMG_ULTRA_17_AS_Social_2560.jpg) It appears that the Sata port only has the 2280 mount point so yes I'll need an adapter if I wish to use this drive.

 

To everyone that has ordered this laptop where did you guys order it from and what reason did you choose that particular seller


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We've used SagerNotebook.com for the past 10 or so years to buy laptops for gamers in our IT department. Haven't had a problem with the build quality or support ever. They've always been pretty chill and will even send us replacement parts under warranty and allow us to swap them out ourselves rather than waste time with shipping to replace a dead fan for instance.

 

It was, by a large margin, the cheapest for the configuration, and pcspecialist seems a reputable seller

 

What’s a shunt mod?

 

I don’t remember the Clevo model number, but I had one of those early 13.3” Clevo gaming laptops and I bought mine barebones from eurocom off of eBay. Can’t remember exactly what was wrong with it a few years later, but determined I needed a new motherboard. Sager was more than happy to sell me a new motherboard. So they’re pretty good as far as my experiences go as well.

 

How did you reach out to them to even be able to buy a new board? Everything I see is only available from resellers.


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I reached by email and one of them reached back and helped me diagnose what the problem likely was. Mind you this was maybe ten years ago. Hard to say if they’d do that still.

 

Sager is still helpful. Ask in a nice way as our good bro @Dr. AMK and you’ll get help if they have the parts http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-are-on-line-now.820848/page-7#post-10812526

 

Very nice. We can’t take for granted how nice it is to have an easy way to get parts for laptops these days. Sadly it’s sometimes hard to get a spare ac adapter let alone a motherboard.

BTW has any mentioned how many nits the 4K panel is?

 

This new model can fit up to 4 NVMe drive.

Is it possible to place NVMe drives in Raid 0 configuration?

Do you guys think another Clevo chasis will become available to house the new Ampere chips (mobile)?

 

[email protected] is their generic support email that we reach out to when we need something. They're pretty good about getting back within 24 hours. If it's some type of emergency I'll CC our sales rep to see if he can escalate it but I'm not going to give his email out in a public forum.

From what I've read, there are 3 M.2 slots on one side and 1 M.2 slot on the other. The 3 on the same side can be put in RAID 0/1/5 according to the technical info on Sager's website - https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9670M-G3.html

Storage (Factory Option) Four M.2 2280 SSD, including three M.2 2280 SSD SATA interface (RAID 0/1/5), or three PCIe Gen3x4 interface (RAID 0/1/5)

 

Thank you replying. So if you got 3 for 3 M.2 drives (SSD SATA interface or PCIe Gen3x4 interface) in RAID 0 configuration, then you can't have a 4th M.2 drive? Have I got that, right?

Do you guys think another Clevo chasis will become available to house the new Ampere chips (mobile)?

 

Thought it was 3x M.2 NVMe / SATA, which reading the factory option means you can RAID 0 only on the group of 3 however the single M.2 SATA slot can't be RAID'd


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Looking to get one of these from HIDEvolution, and I have a question. One of the options has Fujipoly on "heat sensitive" components. Which components, exactly, are these?

 

"Heat Sensitive" components refers to parts like VRAM chips and CPU voltage regulator modules. Basically anything other than the CPU or GPU that generates a significant amount of heat.

 

Okay, thank you.

I'll wait for Ampere and then see if another model is released.

 

I don't see how raid would have an impact on the 4th slot.

 

You find the most on the web

https://www.originpc.com/configurator/new-eon17-x/

 

The one distributer I did not check.

 

Is the 4k monitor 144mhz?

 

It says 60hz in the post Papusan put up if I'm not mistaken.

 

Its just Hz, no display can refresh at the Mega rate.

On specs this shows up:

• FHD 1920 x 1080 17.3" IPS Level 144Hz Matte Display w/ G-SYNC
• FHD 1920 x 1080 17.3" IPS Level 240Hz Matte Display w/ G-SYNC
• UHD 3840 x 2160 17.3" IPS Level Matte Display w/ G-SYNC & Adobe 100% Coverage

The refresh rate of the 4K isn't specified, so assume 60Hz.

Its not like the 2080S will be able to push 144Hz at 4K, so its a bit of a moot display to have, better to have good colours than high refresh rate.

 

Thank you for correcting me.

On this page, it states it's a 144Hz display.

https://clevo-computer.com/en/lapto...-gen.-desktop-processor-nvidia-rtx-2080-super

 

Not all resellers will have the same parts, if 144Hz 4K is vital for you, order from that store that has it.

 

I think this is a mistake and it´s a 60Hz panel. Another German vendor also stated earlier 144Hz for the 4k and when I ask him to confirm it, he said the page was incorrect and corrected the value from 144 to 60Hz. AFAIK there are no 17 inch 4k 144Hz panels out yet. I would go for the cheapest (FHD 144Hz) and order the AUO 4k 120Hz one or the microled 4k 60 Hz form aliexpress and just switch the panels. You probably will however lose g-sync functionality.

 

I'm no expert but there's no reason you can't use the 4th M.2 drive if you use the other 3 in a RAID0. You just can't use that 4th drive as part of your RAID as it isn't linked to the RAID controller. You also cannot have a RAID between SATA and NVME drives. All 3 must be SATA or all 3 must be NVME but you can't mix and match if they are in a RAID.

Why would you risk RAID0 though? From what I've read, the speed increase isn't noticeable and if any of the 3 drives fail, you lose all of your data. So you have a situation where you have risk but no reward. The only benefit is one large volume rather than 3 smaller ones but you could always just mount the extra two drives as a folder on the C: rather than having a C: D: and E:

That's what I plan on doing. I have a 1TB EVO Plus to use as the main OS drive (C:\) and where I store my games. I'll have two more 128GB NVMe drives for additional "fast" storage because I have spares and a 512GB SATA drive for "slower" storage from my old laptop. These will all be folders on my C:\ drive rather than having other letters. You can follow instructions on https://www.windowscentral.com/how-mount-hard-drive-folder-windows-10 if you were interested in doing the same.

 

Even if you limit your fps to 60 you still see the difference in smoothness between a 60hz and 144hz screen.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/13244115

This score are for Clevo X170SM-G, but points for a 2080S Max-Q instead of a Full Mobile 2080S. But if you look closer, the scores matches the Max-P. Probably just an 3DMark error.

 

3DMark database and search is a huge mess.... And it won’t be any better with all weird variants of cards from Nvidia https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23203197

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23091393

 

60Hz, Mhz would be impressive though.

 

Anyone that ordered from HidEvolution, are you showing your laptops being built yet?