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Does this kind of plug result in some sort of.. power deficiency? Like if using only one outlet does not allow enough electricity to power both units? Just wondering.

Also, do you guys know if the AUO B173ZAN03.0 is a matte panel or glossy?

 

New BIOS released today (07 of August) but no changelog from Clevo:

ftp://ftp.clevo.com.tw/ALLBIOS/X170SM-G/B10703.zip

Mirror:

ftp://cftp.clevo.com.tw/ALLBIOS/X170SM-G/B10703.zip

Mirror #3:

ftp://usftp.clevo.com.tw/ALLBIOS/X170SM-G/B10703.zip

 

Thanks. Looks like I’ll be lucky if I can get mine this month, but September may be more realistic.

 

And one more questions, so far I found these resellers for the X170 with 4K screen, are there any others? (I'll add them to this list)

Bestware/XMG (Germany)
XoticPC (US) - 1 and 2
Sager Notebook (US)
Reflex Notebook (Canada)
HID Evolution (US) - 1 and 2 and 3
LPC Digital (US)
Origin (US)
Clevo Computers (Germany) - 1 and 2 and 3
Santech (Italy)

 

One and maybe 2 pipes is sandwiched in the fin stack. But the main problem is the Cpu copper cold plate instead for a Vapor chamber. The heat will stay longer than needed into the Cpu silicon. A bad choice. They could pair VC with the pipes. Maybe for next revision of X170

Multicom Norway http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.831618/page-145#post-11036393

 

I'd imagine the only power losses you'd incur would be from the electrical resistance of the wires.

As for the panel, it looks like a glossy panel, but I can't find any explicit description of the panel finish type. The problem is that every panel looks like a glossy panel when looking at images where the protective film is placed on top.

Edit: The AUO B173ZAN03.0 is a matte panel.

 

Try re installing it from xmg's tool and driver site, rebooting for each step. The app is indeed not exactly rock solid yes , as I mentioned the damn lightbar keeps lighting up after each complete system turn on. Also I think it would be better not to use any other conflicting app like xtu.

 

This is a nice test. Well done.

Would you say it's possible to use the laptop without headphones or are the fans too loud when actually pushing it?

 

825mv @1740Mhz seems my sweetspot without hitting power cap, the gpu temps under load not exceeding 70C means the CPU can breathe a bit better too, high 70's low 80's with -90mV and the lowered PLs.
Will test again whenever the kryonaut arrives.
Only pittance is the fact msi afterburner's profile do not seem to stick after reboot, so you have to reapply them everytime regardless of "apply at startup" being checked.

 

Let us know how your rig stacks up. I consider hid to be better with thermals and if you have a prema bios I would wonder what kind of option you get in the bios at all. The delidded chip should really help I’d think too.


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No thermal pipe sandwich as it impedes airflow and ruduces fin area.

 

That seems to a bit extreme, you underclocked the gpu by at least 100 mhz.
For this setting to stick, enable MSI afterburner to start automatically with windows.

 

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I downloaded Driver-ControlCenter_3.0.zip from https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-idxul17m20/

There aren't any steps though, just running the setup executable, it does it's thing, and then reboot. It installs a bunch of Windows 8 style metro apps including the CPU OC, GPU OC, Light Setup, Fan Config, etc. Uninstalled, rebooted, reinstalled, rebooted, same issues. The control center window is cut off and the CPU OC utility crashes. I was thinking about undervolting to maybe quiet things down as the fans are super loud. I played some Far Cry New Dawn last night and was getting 80-110 FPS depending on what was going on around me and the fans were a big distraction being so loud. I might have to invest in some good headphones.

I played my first game last night on it and the fans were definitely very loud. I got used to it after about 30 minutes of play but I did have to turn my speakers up. I live alone but if there was someone else in the house, they would have been disturbed by how loud the speakers were. I have a pair of Senheisser PXC 550 headphones I use for conference calls so I plan on heading to my office today to grab them and see if they help. They have pretty good noise cancellation so I figure if I set the fans to max where they are at a steady noise level the noise cancellation should do a good job at hiding it. But they make my ears sweat so I can't wear them for too long b/c it gets uncomfortable :-/

 

Yup, as mentioned, I already activated the "start automagically", it doesn't stick after reboot.

weird, for me it uninstalled the old one , reinstalled it, and it was fine, I mean, as fine as it can be, seeing the light bar mis-behaviour

 

I think the setup.exe from XMG is outdated or broken. I downloaded the apps directly from the Microsoft store, rebooted, then ran the setup.exe from XMG, rebooted, and now everything is working as it should. Still haven't played with any of the settings on the CPU OC utility but it runs now and my control center is appearing normally.

I assume the setup.exe app has a bunch of other files I need but the actual metro apps that install are not good. Because I already had the metro apps installed from the Microsoft store it didn't overwrite them. The apps were acting weird and giving popups about missing SDK's and such without the setup.exe so I imagine it had a bunch of framework the apps need. I also installed Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility which I didn't have before b/c one of sdk's it said I was missing was "intel xtu sdk not found" so I don't know if that helped or not.

The light bar issue is annoying I'm thinking about just taking the laptop apart and physically disconnecting it. I admit it looks cool as does the individually lit keys but it's all very bright and distracting when you work in a dark room.

 

Got mine a few hours ago. Put a 2TB SATA SSD in, reinstalled windows and linux onto that drive and formatted the NVME to run as a games drive.

It's only very slightly slower on boot than the NVME in my desktop, so i'm pretty happy with that.

Did a very quick CPU OC test and it seems to thermal throttle around 4.85ghz on all 8 cores, so instead i'm going to play with undervolting to reduce temps and crank the GPU instead.

 

is this i7? and is it delided? also overclock the GPU to try to match the alienware

 

oh ok i hope its the same for me and mine arrives sooner
when you get yours try overclocking CPU and GPU to match or beat the alienware benchmarks

 

hopefully future app revisions (and, though unrelated, bioses) will help improving the situation

 

Do you mind earphones? I find most headphones to be too hot unless it’s cold in the room, so I turn to my Etymotic ER4XR. It comes with foam tips and triple-flange tips that may be a little stifling, but the isolation is insanely good - so good that I don’t dare wear them when walking outside. There are cheaper models that come with fewer accessories (ER2, ER3) but the isolation is the same across the board.

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On a separate note, this is a general newbie question. Would the display affect overall benchmarks much? I got the 4K model with a delidded i9 and extra thermals.

 

18:36 ~ looks like they need a little help with the cooling.
Also, the Bios looks limited, no XMP option and you have to use either CCC/XTU to do any changes.

 

Forget overclocking; even the stock n-core boost of 4.8GHz isn’t feasible.

 

What the hell ? Xmp option is kinda mandatory for this laptop and a huge selling point for previous Clevo laptops was this option.
Not to mention that the new area 51m r2 also has this option.

Why would Clevo remove it ?

Compared to this video:



It seems that Clevo hid 70% of the options in the final release , including all basic options which everyone loved in previous Clevo laptops like the p870 and p775 and which made Clevo what it is now .

So it seems that with the x170 Clevo gives us excellent hardware for enthusiasts however they only give basic software made for beginners so no one could break something.

I am a bit disappointed.

How is this thing running 3200 mhz Rams without xmp option ? Without xmp the Rams would only run at 2666 mhz... Or it enables xmp by default and they hid the option for some unimaginable reason ? Even in the manual it says it supports 3200 mhz ram...so for example if I put crucial 3200 mhz cl16 Rams how will it run at this speed without xmp option and not at 2666 mhz?

Why did Clevo remove CPU core and voltage settings from the final bios ? These are the most basic things that Clevo was loved for.
Even the 51m r2 have these...

Does Clevo really just screwed themselves over and decided to purposely break the bios so their supporters could turn to Dell and buy the new AW instead ?
Has Clevo gone insane ?

Or is there a hidden key combination to enable these options like some manufacturers do it ?

Can someone explain ? @XMG @Prema maybe ?

PS: not to mention that it is 100% that in CCC CPU settings should work however it is disabled there too...did Clevo really mess up and release this machine to the public with a buggy bios that has accidentally these basic options disabled ?

Can owners of this machine confirm that everyone have these options hidden as well ?

Did sellers/the manufacturer even test this laptop? By the user experiences so far it seems to me like this machine is a work in progress project with a half finished and buggy bios and windows software...

 

I'm sure the usual changes will help.

 

i7-10700K and no, it is not delidded.

The place I ordered it from in the UK do not offer delidded CPU's. I've seen other folks on this thread strongly recommend replacing the thermal paste for Kryonaught as well, so i'll do that once i've ordered some as apparently I ran out...

 

the benchmarks were pretty good more like the alienware if it was delidded and the CPU was overclocked some it would match or beat the alienware the GPU score is really good it beat alienware

 

that is strange i hope with software updates the bugs with the bios and with windows will be fixed also once prema releases the custom bios itll be way better just like the other clevos

 

I posted a picture of my BIOS previously but here it is again - https://i.imgur.com/EdAkf0C.jpg

The BIOS is as limited as the video. I thought maybe something wasn't right with mine but that video looks exactly like mine.

I have a single Crucial 32GB 3200 MHz chip (CT32G4SFD832A.16FB2 32GB DDR4 - 3200 SODIMM 1.2V CL22) and you can see at the screenshot at the top it detects it as 3200 MHz. Same as in his video.

I don't really know what all you're talking about but thought I could give you some of the info you're asking about.

Here's a screenshot of the Memory tab from CPU-Z if it's helpful https://i.imgur.com/SY4NOfY.png

PS I ran the GTAV Benchmark on the highest settings on my 2560x1440 external monitor and these were the results if anyone cared.

Code:

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 5.142599, 130.838669, 99.580933
Pass 1, 24.798388, 147.693039, 90.718994
Pass 2, 12.060500, 130.895187, 91.835052
Pass 3, 15.899035, 153.680649, 110.664650
Pass 4, 12.540789, 167.277222, 107.714104

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 7.643001, 194.454208, 10.042083
Pass 1, 6.770800, 40.325203, 11.023050
Pass 2, 7.639700, 82.915298, 10.889089
Pass 3, 6.507000, 62.896900, 9.036309
Pass 4, 5.978100, 79.739799, 9.283835

Frames under 16ms (for 60fps):
Pass 0: 903/912 frames (99.01%)
Pass 1: 829/840 frames (98.69%)
Pass 2: 837/843 frames (99.29%)
Pass 3: 1001/1011 frames (99.01%)
Pass 4: 12142/12163 frames (99.83%)

Frames under 33ms (for 30fps):
Pass 0: 911/912 frames (99.89%)
Pass 1: 833/840 frames (99.17%)
Pass 2: 840/843 frames (99.64%)
Pass 3: 1008/1011 frames (99.70%)
Pass 4: 12161/12163 frames (99.98%)

 

Hmm I'm pretty concerned about the XMP profiles also, I did order mine from XoticPC and paid for the prema bios and 3200mhz ram....I wonder did I just preorder for a future bios from @Prema or will it ship with his bios? I reached out to them but didn't get any helpful answers since it was being built from Sager then getting shipped to XoticPC. Has anyone else ordered this laptop from XoticPC?

 

I would have gotten the Prema bios as well since i've heard good things about them, but sadly wasn't an option.

I actually dont know of any retailers in the UK that do Clevo laptops with the bios, which is annoying.

 

Some updated results for anyone that is interested:
CPU ( 10600K ) , -90mV , PL1: 90 , PL2: 125 with a time of 80 seconds ( for the time being )
Cinebench R20: 3530
GPU (2080S) : Afterburner voltage profile capped at 825mV not to hit the power limits ( temp otherwise skyrockets to temp limit ) with a frequency of 1770Mhz, but I am positive I could squeeze a bit more out of it as I had no stability issue whatsoever, with a variety of games.
Nevertheless:
Time Spy (demo) : 10174 combined , 10796 gpu and 7671 cpu .
Shadow Of the Tomb Raider with everything maxed out , no DLSS and "only" SMAATx2 instead of x4 : 78 FPS ( for comparison, if the gpu was to use the stock config, thus hitting power and temp limit, it would obtain 79 FPS)
All the tests were run in rapid succession with one another to see how the temps would go, and so far, cpu did not exceed 90C (package, although general average temperature generally didn't go over 85-86C), while gpu didn't pass 71C.
Far more acceptable results, though there is still room for improvement, I still have a crappy thermal paste and to-be-verified application (pressure and uniformity).

 

How are you changing these CPU settings ?
Isn't it disabled in the bios and doesn't CCC gray out everything CPU related ?

 

The fans even on the BIOS screen when he was going over options were very audible. I guess you could put a delidded 10700k in there to help, but then that is basically a 9900k.

For those of us that remember the first gen Skylake P870DM-G, it started off slow but built steam and power as @Prema worked his magic and @Mr. Fox showed with some elbow grease how far it could go.

We also saw with the P870 series how 1st gen changed radically with 2nd gen onward.

I suspect the X170SM-G will slowly spread its wings as time passes, but more importantly I expect the 2nd revision will set the tone for future revision of the X170SM-G.

Also, de8auer is not alone in the frustration why these monsters aren't also offered with AMD chips. 3950x with this cooling system? Yes please....

 

via control centre, if you enable the overclocking feature via bios, everything is available

 

Even CPU ratio settings are available ?

Is there xmp setting ?

Would be pretty disappointing if 3200 mhz cl16 xmp rams could only be used as 2666hz cl20 rams...

 

Don't seem to be able to adjust temp limit, power limit or add any core voltage. But these were the max stable clocks I got. Not entirely sure why it dipped down to 1665 there, but it was sitting fairly consistently above 2000MHz in Unigine Heaven. Highest temp was 61C.

So the cooling for the card is great. CPU, not so much. That tends to throttle when hit with AIDA64.

 

I have never owned any laptop that was a good or desirable product with stock firmware. None of them are worth a damn with stock BIOS. This is a universal truth that goes all the way back to my first laptop. Laptop manufacturers come in four flavors: stupid, evil, don't care and Neapolitan.

 

all of those options on the screenshots, not xmp, not that i am interested tbh, will see if I can find anything

 

Doesn’t the prema bios allow things like this typical so you can fine tune your system more. I think exotic oc was offering this curious to see what it can do hopefully someone has one in hand soon


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Yes. @Prema BIOS is awesome and the only reason I have been even remotely pleased with laptops. The only exception to this rule was the M18xR1/R2 SVL7 BIOS mods before I met Prema and ditched Alienjunk. PremaMod should have pretty much everything you would expect to find and take for granted in the firmware for an enthusiast desktop motherboard and what you would always find in a stock enthusiast laptop BIOS if the manufacturers were not such idiots.

Firmware access to all configuration options is a basic ownership right that applies even to normal consumer laptops and turdbooks. Every menu option that won't perma-brick should always be accessible whether it is a $500 Chromebook or a $5000 turdbook or a DTR with a desktop CPU.

The lameness will never end as long as silly people keep blowing their money on broken garbage with cancer firmware just because the specs seem nice.

 

Is @Prema no longer an HID partner?! I would not consider a X170 if he is not partner of them.

 

The delay is more likely because Prema worked with Ami bios so far and the x170 has a brand new Insyde bios. We could say that he needs to start the optimizing from scratch.

 

What a riot! I laughed my head off when I saw this. This is so true.

I'm pretty sure HID is still a Prema partner. The people who ordered the X170 from XoticPC effectively preordered the Prema BIOS. I think XoticPC will ship something to those customers so they can flash the BIOS themselves once it's finalized, but that's just my assumption. I don't know exactly how they're planning to provide it.

 

I know xotic oc offers promos bios not sure about hid I didn’t see an option for them


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It's probably because the BIOS hasn't been released yet. I think @Spartan@HIDevolution may be able to answer that definitively though.

 

The Prema BIOS is currently only for the P7xxx and P8xxx series only

 

HIDevolution and LPC-Digital are @Prema Partner shops. Clevo's turdbooks have been running Insyde BIOS for a while now and he has been releasing BIOS mods for the turdbooks as far as I know. So, I doubt that will cause him to break a sweat. How different or difficult can it be for a hex-editing pro like Prema?

The availability and timeline of a BIOS mod will depend on multiple things. Not sure if a demo system has been provided for him to work with. If not, that really slows things down. How much spare time he has to work on it is another factor. He used to have assistance with testing, bricking, testing and bricking, by a couple of overclocking experts and both of them are extremely busy. At least one, maybe both, are not interested in purchasing this product. It's not likely there would be multiple demo systems provided. In the past, the BIOS testers purchased the crash test dummy systems because they wanted them. A least one of the main testers is no longer interested in spending gobs of money on expensive laptops.

 

I received my laptop today. Spent most of the day getting memory and hard drives in and setting up how I like. I was disappointed with the bios so hopefully we get an update soon. The cpu overclock in CCC menu crashes for me also when I tried to open it. That’s not a big deal because I use throttlestop anyway. I haven’t dialed in the settings but I did a quick time spy test.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/13360680

temps topped at 71c this was with stock clocks.

I’ll inch up until I’m im in the mid 80s.

And now I’m going to sleep.

 

I noticed MSI afterburner's voltage curve profiles get reset whenever control centre modes are changed or reapplied ( just like in reboots) , wish there was a way to make it stick without interfering

 

The fact that XMG sent out a gimped and locked out bios to a professional overclocker for review is kinda hilarious.