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The lights are going to be controlled by the ECU which will hold a default value on boot which then gets updated by any profiles on the software on OS load.

 

Be careful grabbing another vendors BIOS or control center, not saying that things will go wrong, but specially bios, things could go really wrong. Could you pass me a link to what you downloaded? I have a control center from Clevo that is 2.32, which I'm pretty sure is the newest version but would like to compare it to what you are using.

Edit - Looking around different vendors, seems like everyone has the same bios revision, but the control panels are all over the place. XMG says 3.02, the actual clevo site is 2.32, the driver disk is 2.29. Not sure on why the huge jump on the XMG version. Gonna stick with the 2.32 one as I have zero issues with it and its from the makers.

Edit 2 - Looked at the checksum on the XMG version, it is older then the clevo version, I am guessing the clevo version is actually newer. https://imgur.com/gfnWcWO

 

Interesting...I thought the one below was the latest...

 

What

What the..

Ok, so it would seem the XMG one is the newest since a 3.01 exists. Going to download it and use it then.

seems like I messed up the date modified on the 2.32 version, as I rezipoed it, it was from june

 

Are there any word on which suppliers are Prema partners now?

 

I am all ears about how to disable it then, whatever the profile, since technically it already is

 

This is my first kind of full dtr, my older one(clevo n970td) had a locked cpu so it didn't really count. For what it was worth though it didn't have any problem

 

Changing the boot defaults would require editing the ECU programming and flashing it again.

 

Hello Everyone,

Oh boy, 1st of all I was so excited about getting this laptop. I was hoping for some good CPU clock speed but then i got my laptop and I have made some tests. My unit with those great modes: Entertainment Mode and Performance mode only heated up the laptop to 98 degrees and allow the laptop to reach 5.3 / 5.0 GHz for a fraction of a second and then turns to 4.1Ghz. With my small oc (undervolting etc.) I was able to reach maximum 4.4Ghz with temp ~90degrees in stress tests. Unfortunately it was not was I was expecting. GPU is kinda good I was able to make it +140Mhz on core and +350Mhz on VRAM. I think XMG has to implement some other cooling solution for CPU or at least liquid metal between the heat sink and the CPU like some companies which prepered new alienware beast - with deliding and liquid metal. In stress test CPU reaches maximum 81degrees with 5.3Ghz on all cores 0_o.
- the second problem is the clock speed of the RAM, which should operate at 3200Mhz as specified in the specification, but cannot reach this speed, because of the maximum voltage that the motherboard provides which is 1.2V, and up to 3200Mhz they need 1.35V.
- I did not notice much ghosting with my 240Hz panel.
Anyone else got the same problem with to much heat on CPU?
ps.
I am sending this laptop back.

Some pictures from tests below:
performance mode:
result
https://zapodaj.net/images/35bf54cc847d3.jpg
temps
https://zapodaj.net/images/38e43dbf79944.jpg
OC mode:
result
https://zapodaj.net/images/3801bb55b9fa2.jpg
temps + clocks and maximum voltage
https://zapodaj.net/images/6fa7104cf587e.jpg
https://zapodaj.net/images/dca2f82250108.jpg

 

Clevo disabled xmp option so it is not possible to run your ram modules at 3200 mhz because it need to be enabled in the bios or else it will run at 2667 mhz.
If you want to run your ram at 3200 mhz then you need jedec ram and not xmp ram.
Fastest jedec ram to my knowledge is 3200 mhz cl20 1.2v modules.

 

I can't believe a damn light bar setting is so hard to get right, unreal lol

 

I did not try it but when you disable it in CCC then the setting will reset after reboot ?

 

He could just open the service cover and unplug it, nobody noticed the jdec ram running lower than 3200mhz if placed under the keyboard ?

 

yep, sometimes even without rebooting, it just doesn't give a damn

 

Just open up the back and unplug the ribbon coming from the light bar on the left to the motherboard.

 

I guess that such temperatures are expected from such a DTR laptop? The previous version with 9900K from different resellers (including XMG and Eurocom) reached all 94C when running Prime95 and FurMark simultaneously for 1h. What stress tests have you performed?
1. What are the temps from other owners of that machine with 10900K?
2. Can someone perform a test running Prime95 and FurMark simultaneously for 1h?
3. Does anybody have concerns about running a 10900K with Grizzly Kryonaut? I've read that it is only specified for temperatures up to 80C and apparently dries out above. There is apparently a new version (Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme) that does not have the temperature limit of 80C and apparently does not dry out. But I don't want to re-paste my Laptop once it arrives as I don't have experience with re-pasting and I don't want to loose warranty.

 

yes i wanted to avoid that but I suppose i don't have much of a choice

 

1. Temps are anywhere from 70-90 depending on the game or benchmark. While doing just day to day stuff its around 30-40.

2. You can do this but it will just thermal throttle the system and not really prove anything (you would never do this in any game), it wont crash but it wont really do anything but overheat your system. Much better off running 3dMark Stress Tests to make sure things are stable and frame rate is not stuttering

3.I am running kryonaut atm, great temps, might dry out over time not sure (I think it has to do with the amount of paste used but don't quote me on that). Going to test temps in a month to compare and if its higher will swap it for Gelid GC-Extreme. No real benchmarks on the new Kryonaut Extreme so no one can say it will last any longer or might not last as long, no one knows. Gelid is about on par with Kryonaut in cooling and has a proven track record of lasting at full speed for about a year, so makes sense to swap to if I find issues with kryonaut after a month.

Also another thing you might want to think about is swapping the thermal pads. Going to swap mine out with these

https://www.amazon.com/mod-smart-Fu...=fujipoly&qid=1598971189&s=electronics&sr=1-9

It wont make as large of a difference as the Thermal paste, but in a laptop every bit helps and the faster heat can get to the fans the better.

 

Crazy question, but does anyone have the measurements on the stock thermal pads used? Don't really feel like tearing the back off in order to measure them all as I would need to re-paste and all that.

 

I wonder why resellers are only using Grizzly Kryonaut for these hig-end CPUs and not offering alternatives that are stable at higher temps, with the knowledge that these machines reach higher temps than 80C. The more I start googling, the more I read about Grizzly Kryonaut breaking down above 80C. Just getting afraid that some laptop components can get damaged after a while once the thermal paste is broken down.

 

The 80c is worded badly. It could last forever at lower then 80c, it starts to break down at 80c, but even then it should last about a year.

Not completely convinced that it was not user error not using enough of the Kryonaut as it needs about 2x the amount compared to normal thermal paste. But, I can't be sure, thats why I am doing a test on this laptop and will report back at the end of the month if temps actually changed.

Edit - As for why vendors dont use other brands? They do, but it all comes down to the deals given to vendors. I know Origin PC uses Gelid. The two really are interchangeable with Gelid edging out a bit with having been around longer / more time to prove itself to the community.

 

Btw, I've read that many people underclock/undervolt their 10900K in the Clevo X170-SM G to reach better temperatures. Do you think it would be better to go for the 10850K instead of the 10900K as it already is 100Hz slower and should have already a bit lower temps? I just think that the 10900K was tested by the manufacturer and specified at 3.7/5.3 GHz and runs the danger of instability when undervolting. The 10850K, however, has been tested and specified for 3.6/5.2 GHz.

 

The 10850K is poorer quality silicon that could well run hotter at the same frequency.

 

Undervolting anything leads to blue screens if pushed too far. Just have to test it with stress tests, if no blue screen then you are fine. I was able to make mine 100% stable at -80mv but suffered some performance loss, -60mv was the sweet spot, but that will be different for everyone. Also will depend on cooling, thermal pads swapped out to better one will help here.

 

Ok, thanks for the information. So its best to go with the 10900K then

 

I would say so if the 10900K is available.

 

Depends on the lottery.
Intel Core i9-10850K Review - Just as Good as the i9-10900K techpowerup.com

 

Interesting article, though the 10600k is great if you just want to game and will give a big power saving.

 

So I tried to read up on all the posts since my last visit here but it's just overload. I just wanted to state that I have been loving this laptop. It's definitely renewed my love for gaming and I had a great time playing Jedi: Fallen Order on it. I found that by undervolted the CPU -110mv and elevating the laptop on a stand made the temps drop so much that the fans aren't nearly as loud as it used to be. Temps don't go above 85º now where before they were a 95-100º. Performance is pretty much the same so I'm happy that I don't have to turn the speakers up so loud.

I know a lot of people will read the saltiness in this thread and steer clear of the laptop but as a normal every day user I'm happy. Work paid for it which is probably why I don't care about the price to performance ratio. It does everything I need it to do for work and it plays games on ultra at high fps on a 2560x1440 144hz external monitor. When things get back to normal and I have to go to the office, it will be portable and can go with me so I can break for lunch to play a game or two. And when I have to start traveling again I can take it with me and enjoy a game or two in a hotel room.

And if anyone was looking for a backpack to lug this beast around, it fits okay in an Everki Beacon. It's snug but it fits and is pretty easy to carry around. https://www.everki.com/us_en/beacon-laptop-backpack-w-gaming-console-sleeve-up-to-18-inch.html

 

I need to check our fallen order too. I have fond memories of Jedi Academy.

 

Exactly how I feel about it, some flaws but by far the best laptop I have used yet. Now if I could just figure out what thermal pads to replace the stock ones, seems everyone has an opinion on the matter, but re-usability is a big thing for me.

 

In my opinion fitment is king, so long as the thermal pads are just right they just have to be ok.

 

Cool, might try the fugipoly 11 mkw ones then once I get pad measurements this weekend. I hear the 11 mkw one are reusable if careful.

 

Probably kinda similar but it can be much better if xmg would add liquid metal and make deliding on cpu. Just look at this happy guy who got his new alienware from external comapny:

So lower temp are doable.
I have done test in cinebench R20 1st and if it passes w/o reducing clock speed then I went for 3dMark FireStrike and TimeSpy. With entertainment mode and performance mode scores were much lower then after my undervolting and stable 4.4Ghz so I guess clocks were reduced cauz of thermaltrottling.

 

Got mine in yesterday, and going through all the usual setup and install steps. I noticed that I cannot instal Intel Extreme tuning utility. It just hangs forever at about 95% done. Are there alternatives to this that will allow me to see core temperatures and play with undervolting?

 

I used thermal grizzly pads.

 

I enjoy Star Wars but wouldn't consider myself a fan. The story telling in this game makes me want to watch the clone wars because it was so good. Some of the game play was frustrating as **** because you have to time these wall jumps just right while sliding down ice to hit a rope at the perfect moment and even putting the difficult to easiest doesn't help in any way! But overall I had a great time and the ending really had my heart pumping. It was definitely worth the discounted price I got it for during the last steam sale and the new laptop played it beautifully on the highest settings.

That's really strange, I had a bit of trouble with initial setup but no problems with this software. I don't know if it matters but I went into the BIOS and checked the box for "Overclocking Menu" and also have the control center set to performance mode. Maybe one of these settings have something to do with it? Do you have the logs from the install maybe they could tell you what's hanging.

 

uh linus got one

 

Yep and Linux abused it hard. Slapping down a Laptop DTR is hazardous to health.

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Worse than mirrors edge?

 

Did you not get a driver disk? Install everything from it. It’s very necessary for this computer to run well as there are some custom solutions along with a control center. Alternatively you can go to the XMG site for this model and grab the drivers there

 

Thats who I got mine from, Origin PC. A monkey assembled mine thou, had the Ram sticks running single channel and the thermal paste job was really bad, not to mention the overclocking was pure garbage and unstable. I paid for the OC though so they would stress test the parts more then anything. I have to give them a pass for the bad assembly job, and was nothing I couldn't fix easily, everything is up in the air due to Covid, normally they are very good at assembly and the parts are good once it was set up properly.

 

Oh heavens no! At least Fallen Order is 3rd person. There were only 3-4 parts that made me rage where Mirror's Edge was a crazy rage fest for me from start to finish.

I had to pull out an old Windows 7 laptop from the closet that had a DVDRW in it and copy the files from the disc and then put them on USB. I can upload them somewhere if it's helpful for others.

Actually it looks like Sager uploaded them all here - https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=767

 

You reminded me of the game that really made me say "I'm going to do this", it was a game called starlancer.

Playing through on hard there is a mission where you have to defend a bunch of escape pods and I was determined to not loose a single one. The flight stick certainly felt that session lol. Manged it though

 

Anyone have an experience with Fugipoly Thermal pads, also known as Aplhacool. Are they really as crumbly and one-time use as ppl say or is that only the 17.0 W/mK versions?

 

I feel bad for anyone who chose the AW Area 51-M over one of these... those appear to not be upgradeable when a new GPU comes out...
The older 51m doesn’t get support for the Super cards, (it was unfortunate timing for the CPU too,)

 

How can you be sure this will be upgradeable? New intel socket happens every "day" and rtx 30xx cards might need other cooling plus power

 

Because Rocket Lake CPUs will use the same socket as Comet Lake. Furthermore, Clevo typically allows stuff like this, and has not changed the form factor of their MXM cards every generation of GPUs.

 

I think the only thing that will keep them from being upgradable is the power consumption on the new cards. Its very high, but we wont know anything untill we see some max-p laptop specs for the new cards (prob half way through next year)

 

Power can always be adjusted, the most concerning thing is usually memory arrangement.