*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

and again lol

 

The X170 seems capable of handling GPUs with very high power draws. It cools the RTX 2080 Super Max-P very well. I think that's a 200 watt card, which runs around 65°C to 75°C in this laptop while gaming based on what I've seen other people say about it. The vapor chamber on the GPU is big and very good at moving heat.

 

Meanwhile the cpu gets hot cause they share it. My experience is following :
If gpu is 68 cpu will be 78 if 69 then 79 etc, they boil eachother up if you havent changed anything besides undervolt

 

I mean, looking at what's released so far, I suspect a 3060 would be fine in this machine. 3070 maybe based on the power draw.

I'm also hoping the 11th gen CPU's will work with a BIOS update and have better thermals.

 

If they just used 2 big fans instead cooling would probably much better already.. as i read in reddit/xmg the cooling solution could change in the future as well

 

Anyone have any idea where the Chipset chip is located on this motherboard? Want to see if there is any way to make it slightly cooler.

 

That would be good, especially if we can just buy the "upgraded" part from clevo and drop it in. Obviously would depend on how it all fits though.

Mine currently seems happy running at 4.9ghz all-core at 1.2v.

 

As you have a 2070 "only" you are also having roughly 85 watt more cooling power

 

Yes keeping the PCH cooler is a good idea...

 

I just got the computer my screen lid looks little bent when I close the lid it doesn't sit flush with the bottom part of the computer is that normal?
Also the fans on low speed make little whine noise is that normal as well? Please let me know thanks

 

Can you take a photo? It should sit flush, perhaps a monkey built it.

Which side is the noise? I noticed left hand side has some whining

 

What are your reported PCH temps?

 

Ok I took a photo also i posted a video so you can see how the screen lid doesn’t stay flush to the bottom
Link below to the video
https://imgur.com/gallery/gQjf8KW

Yours is on the left ? The GPU fan? Mine is on the right the CPU fan is making whine noise it can get annoying at times
I might contact HID and see what they can do since I payed a lot for this computer

 

Time to replace it

 

I'm surprised this got past HID's QC, unless you requested zero customization.

 

I thought it probably wasn’t normal I’m gonna contact HID for replacement

 

Same I’m surprised too the only customization I asked is for delidded

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/13700492

Prema is defo game-changing.

 

Around 80-85 while gaming, seems high

 

Hello. Does anyone have a service manual on the website clevo has not yet posted. Thx.

 

Representatives of Sager, Xmg, Eurocom, Hasee and others do you have information about a new mxm 3000 series graphics card? Thx.

 

"Hi Reddit,

before anyone asks "When is Ampere going to happen in XMG laptops", let me just get this out of the way:

At the beginning of September NVIDIA introduced the RTX 3000 graphics cards (codenamed 'Ampere'). However, these are initially only graphics cards for desktop PCs. Related modules and cards for laptops have not been introduced yet.

It should be noted that the newly introduced desktop graphics cards have a higher power consumption (and therefore also heat emission) than their respective predecessors. For example the previous RTX 2080 Ti consumed only up to 250 watts, the successor model RTX 3080 is now rated for 320 watts.

Due to NDAs with our suppliers and partners we are not able to give any estimates as to when potential successor modules are going to be available. Thank you for your kind understanding.

Thank you, xièxie and bye bye!

// Tom"

 

I talked to HID and they said the screen curve bend is normal none of the computers sit flush

 

Wow that's a big increase from my TimeSpy scores with the i7. Below was the most recent one I ran with the undervolt and have the laptop on a stand so it is able to cool better. Still happy with the machine but kind of wish they'd make the Prema BIOS available to people who purchased from other vendors I'd gladly pay $$ for them to update my BIOS

 

that’s still pretty good

also can you check your computer screen lid to see if it’s bent and close the lid to see if the computer lid sits flush with the bottom of the computer I would like to know if this is normal or the bend is a defect I would appreciate it thank you see if yours look something like this when closed

 

I only have a User Manual and User Guide PDF that was included on the disc with the laptop.

https://smallpdf.com/shared#st=aa79...df&ct=1599160802403&tl=share-document&rf=link

https://smallpdf.com/shared#st=9d0e...df&ct=1599160829916&tl=share-document&rf=link

I was about to take a video for you

 

Ok please take a video that’s better thank you
If yours doesn’t have it I’m gonna send your video to HID and tell them that someone else who has the same computer send me this video and the bend is not normal

 

Does your have the bend? If not can you please take a photo or video so I can send it to HID to prove that’s it’s not normal

 

I tried to take a few videos for you hopefully showing the same thing you did in your video. I don't think I have the bend that you're referring to. Some light leaks out from the keyboard but squeezing the laptop lid doesn't make it change much. Only when I have the lights off and monitors turned off can you see the lid shutting more when I pinch it and it's only on one side.

https://imgur.com/a/9PJsYOK

 

Ok thank you
yes yours looks more normal it has the gap which I guess that’s normal for it but the lid doesn’t move much when you squeeze it
like on mine it moves a lot more especially in the middle of the computer

 

Do you have lots of light bleed on the corners of the LCD?

 

Does your screen bend? If not can you please take a photo or video I would appreciate it thank you

 

That’s unfort

I don’t have this laptop. I had ordered it, and then canceled it to get an Alienware instead due to the availability of local warranty support at where I live (shipping laptops internationally seemed too cumbersome and risky in comparison).

 

Generally getting support in the same country is a safer bet.

 

Does your screen bend? If not can you please take a photo or video I would appreciate it thank you

 

I was talking about the chipset, you got a damaged unit in shipping. Most likely got slammed, you should RMA it.

 

This and the Alienware are very close, can’t go wrong with either. I chose this cause I love gsync.

 

Can you check yours to see and can you make a video of it? I contacted HID and they said the ones they have also have it so they are saying it’s normal that’s why Im asking for videos of others to show proof that’s it’s not normal


Also are your fans making any high pitch buzz or whine noises ? Let me know please thank you

 

Why would a flat screen bend lmao, no that’s never normal, why would that ever be normal. Can’t make a video atm, out of town. Also, no the fans do not make any type of loud whine or any whine, just sound like wind blowing. They can be loud at full speed, but I use very nice headphones, so that’s really a non issue for me, can’t hear them at all with them on, and don’t really hear them on auto mode (I play with them on 100% when playing big boy games).

you paid a ton of money and they are giving you the talkaround in order to not have a return, the fact is it showed up banged up as all hell, just tell them it’s comming back and you want a replacement. Also tell them nothing about this is acceptable and you want compensation for them lieing and saying a flat panel should bend, that pure bs.

 

Mine didnt have a bend, can't show proof since i returned it already.

2 things
*Their entire batch/charge could be broken

*They are faking it

 

Take a pic of this bend, I'm confused at what this could be

 

Sent mine back for a refund.
Was pointless to keep it considering that
1) it had ghosting issue (which was even acknowledged by my reseller) but no actual fix (yet)

2) for the same price I will be able to get almost double the performance with the Rtx 3080. I expect this to happen in 2021 q1, however waiting a few more extra months is better than to fork out a ton of money and then have buyers remorse after a few months when people get double the performance for the same money.

Hopefully this laptop will be a good beta test for Clevo and the updated version of the x170 will have these issues sorted out .

 

I have posted picture and video of the bend in my previous posts

 

Oh I see so the fan noise is definitely not normal then
Yea I might just return it your right it is a very expensive laptop and it’s not worth the hassle if they not gonna fix the problem

 

True the 3080 might be coming soon I think not till summer 2021 like the super this year but could be earlier and also since I been having issues not the ghosting but other issues I might just return it as well and get my money back

 

It’s a lot of money to accept shipment issues. Seems for sure your laptop got slammed on delivery.

As for the 3080 in laptops, I really wouldn’t expect anything major till middle of next year. Manufacturing took a major hit with covid and the desktop cards will be in short supply until after Christmas, hence the staggered release. We could see them feb-March of next year, but that’s very hopeful.

 

Manufacturing did not really took any hit due to covid.
Not even the x170 was delayed due to covid.
In matter of fact life is starting to get back to normal in China and production and most of the design work is made in China.
Europe and the US is much more affected now due to covid however even in the EU and US covid mostly affects travellers due to traveling restrictions.
At least in my country no major delays in shipments as of yet because transit corridors are kept open.

Rumors even stayed that 3xxx series will be introduced in late autumn however Nvidia was able to keep their old release window and was able to release the new cards in September, like they did with the 2xxx series.
Don't forget that mobile 2xxx cards came 4 months later in January.
I believe Nvidia will be able to keep this date too, unless covid causes a zombie apocalypse or something.
Waiting 4 months is not a big deal if we consider that at least by then all the bugs will be fixed.
Remember that first gen 2xxx cards had space invaders bug due to bad Micron rams? Mobile users did not have to worry about this because when mobile cards were released it was worked out.

Designing an MXM board for a company like Clevo is not a big deal and does not even take a month, so if Clevo wanted they could have working units in October with a release window set to November.

However I don't think that this will happen and Nvidia will hold gpu supplies to at least January so they could fulfill the demands of desktop card manufacturers.

Mobile Super cards did not really give us a huge jump, I mean the Rtx 2080 super actually has the performance of an rtx 2080 with the same tdp.

For example :

Asus Chimera bga laptop with 200W rtx 2080
Fire Strike graphics points: 26200
Superposition 1080p extreme: 6800 points

Clevo x170 MXM laptop with 200w rtx 2080 Super
Fire Strike graphics points: 26500
Superposition 1080p extreme: 6650 points

Not many people would think that it worth the upgrade.
I believe that laptop manufacturers thought the same so the reason why there was such a huge delay between the desktop and laptop super cards is because laptop manufacturers did not think that it is worth to pay the extra cash for the super variant.
I think this changed because Nvidia was getting ready for the the new cards and wanted to clear all remaining stock, so they finally made the super chips available for laptop manufacturers for much less.
So I believe that the reason why laptop super cards came so late is not because of supply issues it is rather some kind of background corporate decision.

So I think that mobile rtx 3080 and 3070 will be introduced at the first week of January at ces 2021 with release date set to end of January.

I am not holding my breath for 3090 in laptops and I think that will be made desktop exclusive by Nvidia like the 2080 Ti.

But yes there is a chance that Nvidia will delay it until summer so they could clear out remaining stocks.

 

The 3080 would be the first greater than 256bit card if it retained the current memory bus.

 

That´s one of the doubts I have. I need a laptop and kind of holding on as long as I can. But it´s beginning to be a problem. The 3000 cards just make the descision more problematic in terms of making the most of your descision.

Have you recievied your Alienware already? Local warranty is usually 2 years in most of Europe, so I wonder why Dell/Alienware has 1 year as their base warranty.
What configuration did you choose?
Did you find the price difference high between these two systems?

 

Was Gsync the only reason that made you decide on the clevo? Any regrets? At the moment these two are on my short list. There aren´t many laptops in this group. My laptop broke so I have no choice but to look for a new one. Been doing what I can in the meantime cause I´m just not sure and it´s a decent amount of money. Also have had some bad luck with a few that died with 2 years of use, so I´m a bit cautious now. I´ve even thought about buying one of these and using the thunderbolt/alienware port for a future 30x0 card.