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I don't know, virtually shooting other real people in the face is quite cathartic.

 

i purchased the 300hz panel just installed no gsync is this panel based or gpu based? the 144hz panel that was here previously had gsync enable any ideas panel is b173han05.1

 

If it is the exact match for the Clevo panel in every way did you remove the old drivers with DDU and reinstall them? If not, do that and it may work.

If it is not the exact panel that Clevo sells that has G-stink (including the firmware) it probably will never work.

Unless you are gaming with a framerate higher than 300 FPS it's not likely that G-stink would do anything other than cause problems.

 

Your bios also has to be the same as the model that shipped with it.

 

wow....

no i uninstalled manually. this is the exact panel from clevo. fps in most games is around 176...also i replicated your profile on msi after burner and failed at tricking the app. though it showed 100 on the voltage curve when i saved and applied it went back to 0 and the way i curved was changed on its own though it gave me 2145 it was not an extact match to your @Mr. Fox i spent almost 1hr going dot by dot to do it lol i wanted to smash my screen as i burned with outrage that msi changed the curve on me

 

I never move multiple dots. I just grab the one that intersects with the voltage and clock I want to be applied, then press "L" to lock the voltage. If the voltage is less than the maximum, moving another dot to the right of the maximum possible voltage all the way to the top so that a diagonal line is generated from that dot to the top will force the maximum.

Like this...

 

Sager's website has all the X170's drivers: https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=767

 

1.07.02/03 have the same offset. And compared some other Clevo model with Insyde BIOS. Seems Clevo do not change the offset. I will write how to find the offset when I have more free time.

 

thank you

 

thank you again

 

I feel it’s still a great feature to have if you want or need it. Like Flight simulator is terrible game to get high frame rates on. So having it for a game like that is always nice. Plus if you keep the machine long enough you won’t be getting those super high FPS numbers anymore.

Btw do I dare ask why you refer to it as g-stink?

 

From the word STINKING

 

There should not be any extra license or data in the panel firmware which allows Gsync so all panels should would that are white listed in the bios. Did you try with bios 03? That is the latest bios and I assume models with 300 hz panel are shipping with this. Did you try a cmos reset ? Did you ddu and reinstall drivers ?
What is the exact panel type that you purchased ? There are several 300 hz panels, is it the auo b173han03.1? From an earlier chinese video Clevo was testing this so I assume they went with this one and not the newer one used in Asus laptops.

I would bet Clevo released this new 300 hz panel to fix the inverse ghosting issue. Would be a pretty sneaky and dirty trick from Clevo if they had made a slight modification to the motherboard so that bios update would not be enough for current users to upgrade to the new issue free panel and for 300 hz panel to work you would need a rev2 motherboard.

 

Personally, I feel Gsync is kinda silly.

The reason being is that you'd want to have a powerful enough GPU to drive more frames a second than your screen is capable of displaying anyway, at least if you want a super smooth gaming experience. Sure Gsync can help when the GPU is no longer powerful enough to run the newest games at super high framerates, but at that point I'd just upgrade the GPU.

To me, Gsync is an unnecessary added cost. I avoid it if possible.

 

Pointless at high refresh rate, but mandatory at low fps because games look smoother at low fps.

 

As someone who now owns 2 gsync monitors, it's definitely NOT pointless.

Really helps on my desktop when I can't hit 1440p165... which happens in most cases with a 980Ti.

 

At the office, I have access to an x170SM, i9 10900k, 64GB ram, 2060 GPU.

I need to buy one for my new business and was thinking of getting a similar one. Do a lot of Excel, Word, photoshop, and about 20 browser tabs open at the same time.
Should I wait for a Prema bios, or would it be overkill since I don’t use it for gaming or benching? I do need the computing powerhouse, though.

 

We will be releasing the zTecpc zT-X170SM-G in about a week or so, with Thermal Design by @Mr. Fox and the Custom Prema BIOS 'once available'. If you are considering the Custom Prema BIOS, then the best thing to do is buy from a Prema Partner, and we/they will be able to flash it for you remotely as soon as it is released.

Hint: The temps and performance developed by Mr. Fox's thermal mods are pretty amazing.

Having said that...frankly, the X170 is overkill for the tasks you mention. If you would like to talk about any of the technology, and how to make it best fit your uses, please feel free to call me at 877-711-1777 USA & Canada or +1-971-501-2300 International between 8 AM and 4 PM Pacific Time ~ Monday through Friday, or reply to [email protected] with any questions.

 

Well if it’s got an improved thermal design then buying this machine from anyone else is a waste of money. Very excited to see this up for sale.

 

Hey Donald,

Thank you. Yes, better thermals would be great. This machine is a beast, and it makes working on multiple things at once, a breeze. And yes, those airplane fans do come on multiple times even in a 72 degrees Fahrenheit room.

I’ll wait a week and see what you guys come up with.

 

Yeah it's quite specific but say a panel is validated half way through the run you would need the BIOS from that release to get the white listed certificate.

 

Depends on your resolution and refresh rate, GPU power and the detail settings, it can be nice to smooth out 120-240fps swings even at higher refresh rates.

 

LCD "firmware" is the EDID.

If your 10850K is not in the CPU/GPU/LCD combo whitelist validated by NVIDIA that could be the problem. The Green Goblin is a real Nazi control-freak stinker about "compliance" on laptops, never mind the fact that they are extremely lenient and liberal with G-stink working almost ubiquitously, even with AMD FreeSync monitors, on the desktop side of things. This is what @Prema had to say about the G-stink not working.

300Hz screen is supported from BIOS 1.07.03 onwards. No 'special' version required.
Either his screen has a different EDID or his CPU GPU screen combo isn't on their g-sync whitelist.​

 

Great. . .now you guys got me wondering if the 4K 120HZ panel that the blade pro uses would work with this machine.

 

If you want G-stink it cannot work. Not even a maybe. It is not an official Clevo-licensed part that the Green Goblin has whitelisted. But, probably won't matter since the chance of reaching 120 FPS at 4K is slim. If the FPS is less than the refresh rate the technology is of no discernible value.

 

Brighter screen and higher resolution would be worth the trade off in that case for me. I’m looking at the forum where someone with an area 51m got one working. But I might have to splice a longer cable depending where the connectors at. Plus I have no first hand experience how reliable Aliexpress is and just my first impressions of looking I’m very suspicious.

Could be a fun project down the road a few years if I end up upgrading the machine as much as possible to keep it running.

 

I need this thermal design lol and that prema bios!!! I wish I could just trade you guys mine for one of yours lol but I'd feel like I'm being ungrateful which I'm not. Help a brother out lol at this point I'd be will to pay honestly! @Mr. Fox @Donald@zTecpc

 

You have my contact information...go for it!

 

Then its gotta be the combo. Thanks @Prema and @Mr. Fox for shedding some light

 

Yes bro Fox. Avsome will last. The X170 is now the new King but the old is still the prince

 

Wish I could get /pay for those 2 things as well, but here in Europe I didn't at the time see options for prema bios ( or better thermals for that matter)

 

https://ztecpc.com/ This site?

There's a new cooling design for the laptop? Massive improvement over the default one?

Are you guys doing a Tigerlake-H laptop in the future ( even though it's not an LGA solution )?

 

Yes...yes...and yes.

As for Tigerlake...you should see them release very soon...but those are low voltage (15~25W), 4 Core CPUs for ultralights, not in the same league as the BGA H series, and no where close to an LGA based laptop. Different tools for different purposes.

 

**Rapidly putting an order for that cooling design as long as it becomes available**

 

May you share the look of the cooling unit?

 

Actually those situations when FPS is less than the max refresh rate, are exactly the ones where variable refresh rate is most appreciated.

 

Any specific day on when it may be available?

My P170 SM-A, that I used as a backup just went up and died. Well, almost. Gets stuck when opening programs, already did a HD test, refrag, and optimization. Has a new Windows 10 64-bit installation. Ordered new Crucial 2X8GB RAM chips, tested memory on startup several times, everything shows fine. So, don’t know what else to do.

I’ll have to pull the trigger on a new X170 ASAP.

Don’t know if I can wait 2 weeks to place the order, though.

 

Next week.

Once it is released, we ship within 3 business days.

 

Same problem for me too. Totally happy to pay for them, no-one does them.

 

it maybe a gpu issue

 

Hi there gents. I ordered a x170SM-G 10900k w/2080 Super from Eluktronics. I was hoping for the Prema Bios...does anyone know if they are a Prema partner? I ordered from them because Bob of All Trades does a lot of stuff with them, and I have seen that he does stuff with zTech now as well.
I was worried about the heat output. I was originally going to order from HIDEvolution because they delid for only $50, but I figure I may be able to do that myself. I was able to get my x170SM-G for under $3000 with no hard drives or RAM.
What is the heat output like without delidding? That has been my main concern.
Thank you and I am VERY excited to try this beast out. It should be here on Black Friday!


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If it's not advertised you can probably assume not.

 

Yeah, that or some motherboard glitch. This machine has served me well for years.
I do have other Sager laptops that I don’t use, because of older CPUs, maybe I’ll see if I can get one of their GPUs and see if I can switch it for the one that’s there to rule that problem out. But, I’ve never had a GPU fail.

 

gpu is more likely to die before anything else in these high power machines.

 

Only Eluktronics can answer that. They’re very quick to respond to email so send them a message.

 

Every time you post a picture like this hurts more than a kick to the balls for us peasents who can't have Prema bios.

 

Let the customer decide if it meets their definition. Here is 50x on all cores, 45x cache with max fans.

 

I hear you. At best I’m an amateur OC’r. There’s much more going on here than just raw numbers. 182 watt package power with a 25mv under volt. All at 5gHz, all core with air cooling. The heat has to be removed. That is the challenge. To get the results posted by the pros, you need to go above and beyond what amateur OC’rs are willing to do. This includes SL-binned chips; delidded; etc.

There is much to be learned here. The techniques I’ve learned OC’ing my P870 I’ve applied to my desktop which has liquid cooling on the CPU. Thermal throttling and power limit throttling/VRM capacity are always present. You have to be willing to go the extra mile with possible mods either to BIOS/VBIOS or shunt mods. Cool to learn about, but a little beyond what I’m willing to accept as a 52 year old.


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we're waiting for that sweet stress test result as well ( fpu only is insane so that's doubtful ofc )