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Or a binning process that is a shade better than you can get from SL.

 

...I don't know what I was thinking. Black Friday is the 27th, the day after Thanksgiving. My tracking just got updated and it is actually coming on Tuesday the 17th!!

 

Whew, full fan beast mode. Those temps are excellent!

For those of us who like to strike a balance between noise and performance, I'd like to see what you can achieve at a 30,40 and 50% fan curve with temps sub 90 where you cap out frequency wise on the CPU with a sustained loop of R20.

 

Thank you. Yes, they are good temps.

I don't install CCC (Clevo Cancer Crap) so I am unable to run custom fan curves. I'm willing to sacrifice that feature to avoid the filth.

But, I might make a Macrium image to fix it after I am done, and then install it for demonstration purposes for those that are willing to compromise their systems.

It would be truly wonderful to have a standalone fan control utility without all of the CCC UWP feces tagging along. I wish we did. But, software rubbish is the only thing available from the makers of laptops. (All OEM control center software is W10 UWP app trash made by dumbasses... Alienware Control Center, MSI Dragon Center, etc.)

 

If you want to see the taming of insanity, here are three screenshots from an earlier point in my modding and testing, and some taken today. The temps were so out of control in the beginning that the system was incapable of sustaining stock turbo speeds without thermal throttling and instability. The notion of overclocking was an absolute joke and my opinion of the platform was extremely low. My opinion has changed after taking matters into my own hands to right Clevo's wrongs.

Bear in mind, this is a laptop with a 10-core CPU. Temps are not what you would expect on a desktop. But, by laptop standards, the results are insanely good and totally destroy the performance and thermals of anything even somewhat close to comparable in a laptop. If you want something a little more sedate, but still extremely strong for gaming, the 10700K is every bit as potent and effective as a 9900K and quite a bit cooler than 10900K due to a pretty drastic reduction in power demands. 10700K actually runs a lot cooler. Nonetheless, my preference is the 10900K simply because more horsepower is always better (to me). I'll put up with the extra heat for the extra mojo.

AIDA64 stress test with FPU enabled is really good for seeing what happens in a worst-case scenario. It is not a good measurement of typical real-world workloads. Without FPU is what one can expect to see in gaming, most benchmarks, and the most demanding forms of normal daily use.





Images from today... 4.9GHz stock all-core turbo clocks, with and without FPU

With FPU enabled... yes, insane, as expected. But, compare it to another X170 for proper perspective. Most people will not see these temps with my mods doing what most people do with a laptop. Without my mods, you'll see these temps (or worse) with no FPU stress.

5 minutes... no FPU

10 minutes... no FPU (no increase in temperatures even though a static 100% load is sustained for 5 additional minutes)

15 minutes... no FPU (no increase in temperatures even though a static 100% load is sustained for 10 additional minutes)

 

I agree about CCC. I installed (and purchased) the Obsidian Fan control. At least I have some semblance of manually adjusting fan curves based on CPU and GPU temps. It also corrects the idiocy of the Clevo Embedded Controller.


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Damn impressive indeed, and here I am, with a 10600k, getting thermal throttling when it goes over 110 watts , especially on fpu-only

 

Holy smokes those are amazing results. You keep making me want this laptop more and more. I really wanted to hold off until Alder Lake hits laptops to get a new DTR, but this is super tempting. I may just get the X170 with Rocket Lake.

I would suggest using Speedfan, but it doesn't always work with laptops. Does Speedfan work with the X170?

 

Do you know if it works with the X170? If it does I would grab that in a heartbeat.

Funny that in the beginning, I did not like it at all. I thought it was a really horrible product. Mind you, I had been using a wimpy BGA turdbook for over a year and spoiling myself with desktop goodness for several years. It had an uphill battle ahead it of before I ever opened the box. To think it horrible in comparison to a chintzy BGA turdbook (although decent compared to other turdbook rubbish) is not a very flattering statement. The more I used it, the angrier it made me. The thermals were totally inexcusable and it just reinforced why I started hating laptops a few years ago. I mean c'mon, really, dammit... thermal throttling running a CPU-Z benchmark? I said to myself, "Self... you've got to be kidding me."

But, then I started messing around with it trying to see if what they screwed up could be fixed. Now I love the thing. It's an awesome product if you fix the messes. Prema BIOS doesn't fix the physical defects that would otherwise ruin it. It exorcises the demonic powers that inhabit the firmware. It needs both... real bad.

The only laptops I could ever get Almico SpeedFan to work on were Dell, and even then they had glitches with the EC. I haven't tried it though.

I really don't mind using max fans when doing so is necessary because I am using it for something CPU-strenuous. Most of the time the fans are inaudible. But, they are pretty darned loud running full blast. They are monster fans and I am super glad that they are. This sucker would run too hot without them. There is a certain aspect of their absurd loudness and power that I actually find impressive, if not moderately annoying. If you have a wife or a girlfriend, just know right now that when they hear it they're going to be pissed. Mrs. Fox gives me the stink eye death stare when I punch FN+1. Your local librarian will probably call security or dial 911. There is something about it that I find oddly satisfying. Like running open headers on your street rod. I probably would have given up a seldom-used body part for these fans on the P870 or the P570.

 

I think SpeedFan have same limitation as Hwinfo fancontrol on the Clevo models. Probably built on same /similar code because they work on the Dell-books.

Outside the paid Obsidian tool you have the free RLECViewer: Custom Clevo Fan Control. But I wouldn't trust this being used on any Clevo machines before the firmware guru @Prema can confirm if it's safe/can be used or not.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/prema-bios-questions.795536/page-40#post-10716454

 

Every notebook manufacturer basically has a custom ECU control scheme.

 

Right. As they should. It's just really unfortunate that they have become so lazy and all have resorted to a trash distribution model that involves kissing Micro$lop's butt with UWP filth instead of producing a good quality standard portable application that can be used on any version of Windows from Vista forward. It is extremely difficult to show respect and honor to companies that do this kind of nonsense. And, since pretty much all of them do it, none of them deserve any.

 

Apparently , there were still some damn XTU modules, services, drivers and stuff around still active despite my removal of ccc's cpu / gpu tools. Made sure to delete everything and re apply ThrottleStop settings.
I also used external screws for the 3 CPU mount screws, these are the results, with a good improvement as well:



I purchased some various laptop screws to improve on this too ( including the fabled m 2.5x10 ) but for a 10600k FPU +GPU test, must say I am already far more satisfied. Agree with @Mr. Fox , there is some great potential behind this machine.

 

Very impressive temps brother! To put it into some perspective, this is on par with the die lapped 9900kf at 5Ghz/47cache with the vapor chamber. Which is remarkable with an additional TWO extra cores.

 

Answer: Yes - [ See word of caution here ]
And, so does the Keyboard Control from Obsidian.
Unspeakable joy in the elimination of Clevo Cancer Center feces.

 

So basically, one keeps ccc for the damn LEDs , profiles and hotkeys, almost there

 

Nope. Look at my post again. I just updated it. They also have a full-featured CCC replacement (that I have not installed).

https://code.obsidian-pc.com/clevo-software/

I purchased the fan control software. The other utilities appear to be free. Massive blessing to not have to use UWP filth. It was worth every penny for the functionality and to support an effort that eliminates Micro$lop Store rubbish.

Edit: Caution is advised.

You MUST remove or disable the ClevoService and uninstall Obsidian software before firmware flashing to avoid potential EC update complications, including a failed flash and potentially a bricked EC. Use something that does a thorough job like Revo Uninstaller so it removes all of the registry crap.

Before any firmware update... Open Services. Stop, then Disable ClevoService, remove it... then REBOOT before flashing.

Then open an Admin Command Prompt:

Code:

SC delete ClevoService

Remember to reboot. A bricked EC usually means motherboard replacement.

You will have to reinstall this stuff after flashing.

 

I really don't get the push for UWP apps. Win32 applications work great!

Is CCC 3.0 a real improvement over CCC 2.0, or would I just be better off using the Obsidian tools suite?

 

Use obsidian tools ONLY. ditch the Clevo software for good. Trust me it's worth every single cent

 

Nobody gets it... except for the Remond Reprobates and their UWP-loving dumb-dumb butt-kissers.

Yes, CCC 3.0 seems to be better, but it's still UWP filth from Micro$lop Store so it will never actually be worth a damn. It's an improvement, but still a failure because it is UWP and requires Windows 10 and Micro$oft Store. In my book that is failing... failing real hard. Nobody should ever need to find themselves dependent on Windows 10 or the Micro$lop Store for anything.

Just be aware of the dangers and take the necessary steps to avoid problems with an EC brick.

 

Personally I've been using obsidian tools for about 2 years now, and couldn't be happier with the awesomeness of it. Bought all the tools though for 62euros. Totally worth the money

 

Honestly, having nothing is better than installing CCC. But, Obsidian did a nice job on them. It is nice to see an alternative for a product that has become an unacceptable necessity for some people.

 

I've suportted obsidian too because it's a single developer working on the software and unlike Clevo he has limited resources and knowledge and still.. He made a better job than Clevo

 

Yes, I am all for supporting efforts like that. We need more people willing to push the envelope and not accept the status quo mediocrity. He just received $36 USD from me for the fan utility.

That being said, I think it is important for people to be aware of complications and what steps to take to avoid them. That is why I posted the caution. A bricked EC means buying a new mobo and that always sucks.

It probably would be helpful if they included instructions like that on the CODE@OBSIDIAN web page so nobody has any mishaps with firmware flashing.

 

His tools only flash the BIOS if you own a laptop from obsidian, else the option to update the bios is disabled inside the software. Is that what you mean?

 

God-like projects from small dev groups or a single one whilst big corps fail dismally, thank you very much, on their flagship product no less. Does it control the horrific lateral and back LEDs as much as keyboard's? If so, I', buying it immediately, and I didn't even look at the price

 

The keyboard tool is freeware from them. Give it a try lol

 

No. The ClevoService (which is not a Clevo service, just named that way,) that the Obisidian tools will install can cause complications for Clevo owners flashing firmware updates that include EC code. That may not be true for systems using Obsidian firmware. If the ClevoService is not stopped and disabled and the system rebooted prior to flashing it can cause the flash to fail and/or brick the EC if it flashes improperly. People need to know that if they are using Obsidian utilities on a Clevo that is not supported by Obsidian. If people know that and take the right steps to avoid the problem before applying any firmware updates everything should be fine. It does not conflict with BIOS firmware flashing, only the EC. EC1 and EC2 are the firmware that controls the keyboard and fans, along with all of the secret Clevo throttle cancer and power limiting crap.

Messing around with the EC firmware on any laptop (all brands) is a very treacherous minefield. It has the potential to end very badly if there are any missteps. Step in the wrong spot and *BOOM* you've got a fancy door stop for a laptop.

 

I installed all the features, and bought it too, as it looks awesome and much more well done ( plus, leds are off, so i am in a good mood)

 

gave it a try didnt work for me. my keyboard is still blue no matter what i did.. im actually gonna do a reinstall of windows soon ill try again

 

You may have missed the option for per-key RGB application. It did not work for me either until I ticked that box. If you already tried that, I am not sure what the deal is.

 

TY that did it

 

Did you find the light bar control as well? That also allowed me to set it to static white like the keyboard.

 

You need the 3 tools from Obsidian installed and run all of them at least one to install dependencies. This is a must... else the keyboard app won't work alone. John from Obsidian is working on a update so each app can work on its own

 

Weirdly enough, all LEDs do not work with that app, unless I trigger the dreaded clevo led app, which, of course, enables all LEDs at boot, stripes and all, and unless I re open it, it doesn't switch off

 

Yes ty

 

hi. how use led keyboard and fn functions and do not use another clevo software? all obsidian software i have

 

You can use the fan app and keyboard app as standalone. The paid version of the fan app has an option to install dependencies. They must have already updated it.

 

You need to remove CCC if you are using these apps to avoid conflicts with one overriding the other. The keyboard app works fine for me and CCC has not been installed. It also works for the lightbar LED control.

 

For the X170 you need to check the box for "User Pre-Key RGB CLEVO App" for it to work.

 

oh yeah ccc has already been deleted from the face of the earth, never to return, revo uninstaller + manual checks and so on, to make sure nothing was on, so I did a " clean flash ".
However, when system boots the app starts in systray as expected, however, led settings do not go on until i open up the app ( that relays to the led clevo app )

 

Check the box "Override Boot Effect" and that should make the color changes permanent until you clear NVRAM. If you are like me and despise any kind of dynamic behavior you will also want to disable the keyboard sleep timer.

 

Part of it is so they can distribute updates because most people don't

 

cheers, the only bit I like static is the fact the strip LEDs should stay off , since I couldn't choose not to have them installed in the first place

 

Yes, understood and that aspect makes sense.

However, for most applications and drivers updates are not necessary. If the Redmond Reprobabtes would knock off the nonsense of making drivers, games and applications Windows build version-dependent the need for it would be dramatically reduced and/or eliminated. Most things on my systems never get updated because it is not allowed and not necessary. The more they are updated the less stable they become in many cases. It creates new bugs, etc. If it ain't broke don't fix it is the best approach. If it works correctly it should not receive an update and doing so could even be appropriately categorized as foolish behavior.

The selfish underlying motive here is driven by Micro$lop's irrational expectation that everyone be on the most current build version of their buggy OS. Where that becomes most evident and problematic is Micro$lop games. One example is Gears 4 and Gears 5. If you don't keep current with their latest cancer you can't play. I refuse to purchase any titles released by Micro$lop now because of it. Even though I already owned both, I no longer install them and repurchased the Steam version of Gears 5 (which plays on Windows 7 as well). Their motives are not honorable.

You can turn them off with the LED Keyboard App, or simply remove them from the system (physically uninstall the hardware). Be gentle with the ribbon cable retainers. They are not overly fragile, but they do not handle rough handling very well. Since I take this system apart frequently--often several times in a week--I have found it more convenient to simply remove the parts and set them aside.

 

ssory have some trouble with this app
fan control(paid version) is work great bur led keyboard dont run
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16UUqyvKEgqwsP3gqZGC4aoNbXx7mo9FZ/view?usp=sharing

 

Interesting. Seems to work fine for me and others. Maybe you need to check the box to add missing dependencies on the fan control app? Otherwise, I am not sure why it is not working on your system.

 

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@Mr. Fox Don't you have to open the LED app manually (even though it is set to start at boot) to get your settings running ? Because I do, and still have to switch off those annoying bar LEDs every time.
Indeed unless I am missing something next time I open it up I'm going to take them out.