*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

It's like making 5G network in 50's.

 

It would be nice but expensive to implement.

 

They better be using that lga1200 for several generations then, else it's another pointless and skippable gen.

 

Expect support for two gen chips as usual And yeah, Intel can still use same socket after that. Just change the pin routing

 

YES! And hopefully the whatever SKU comes after 10900K will have a better name and run <300W.

 

That requires a decent manufacturing process.

 

We will get the promised 10nm with less power consumption. But everyone who jump on Comet or Rocket machines will most likely be screwed

Edit. 20% more performance from 25% more cores. Yeah, Intel show massive performance gains with coming 10 cores Comet lake. But sadly, can't even compete with the middle end chips from AMD. And will be totally crushed by AMD's 16 cores 3950X.


Force people over on new socket and MB won't make it easier for Intel.

AMD ships 10 times as many motherboards as Intel per latest Mindfactory data

 

I wish we would see HEDT cpu's for DTR's. I'll take it up on my self to figure out a cooling solution.

 

With HEDT we would need more ram slots to take advantage of it. Mainstream will catch up on the cores so HEDT won't give much advantage over HEDT chips. Cooling down +400w chips isn't possible. Neither put in needed ram slots. And the continued Thinner notebooks trend is another nail in the dream. Notebook is at dead end if you want max dekstop performance. The performance difference between (homebuild) desktop vs. notebooks will increase. Not shrink as some think.

Intel is definitely taking its time to release the 10th Gen Comet Lake-S desktop CPU family but things could get a little too hard for Intel as not only 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs are getting insane deals over at major retail outlets, but AMD reaffirmed that Zen 3 based Ryzen 4000 desktop processors would be arriving by the end of 2020. This gives Intel just two-quarters worth of head-room before AMD comes in full guns blazing with its brand new architecture based CPU family, but it looks like Intel themselves want Comet Lake-S to be a generic refresh before Rocket Lake arrives later this year which is expected to be a much more impressive desktop outing from Intel in many years.

Yeah, Comet is Dead end! Neither competitive against AMD nor provide the performance gain you need over last years 8 core chips.
https://wccftech.com/intel-10th-gen-10-core-core-i9-10900k-cpu-benchmarks-leak-30th-april-launch/

 

You forget, were in

Spoiler

 

Part of the issue is the slot size, the new ones are far bigger than even x79 was.

 

With thinner and thinner chassis for each new gen machines, there will be less space for large enough motherboard. In order to use batteries with maximum capacity, the battery is designed with bigger footprint at the expense of space for the MB. We see it allready in todays thin and flimsy. Even the bigger gamingbooks. MB pcb barely has room for soldered GPU, 2 M.2 storage and max 2 ram slots.


Even in some 17 inch gamingbooks there is no space on the MB for ram slots.

 

Definitely moving the wrong direction. Thin and flimsy = cute, and cute ≠ awesome.

 

Awesome as a tablet replacement, but awful as a desktop replacement for high performance compute power.

 

I'd just like to remind everyone that having RGBs on a laptop does not make it a 'gaming book'.

I agree. But unfortunately we'll see plenty of these when mobile 2080 super launches. Pointless, overpriced and throttling out the box.

 

Unfortunately, it seems the average person values form over function. And, that flawed perspective is not limited to laptops.

 

Definitely an engineer choice, if you do optimus properly with a nice big battery you can get some pretty good battery numbers from a machine which makes if very usable in general day to day too.

 

It would be even better if they used a manual switchable mux like the M18xR1/R2/AW18 had. If you switched to iGFX on those machines you could get between 5-6 hours with none of the disadvantages of Optimus. As long as you did not have two GPU installed you could choose between discrete, iGFX or Optimus by changing BIOS settings. With dual GPU you could choose between discrete or integrated (no Optimus).

Clevo really should do that versus just Optimus. I'd prefer having no ability to use the Intel HD Graphics over having Optimus, but being able to manually select one or the other (only discrete or only iGFX) is really good.

But, an option to completely disable Optimus (leaving only discrete GPU functional) in the BIOS would also be good. The point being, you wouldn't have Optimus unless you specifically wanted it and turned it on intentionally.

 

I kinda feel like marketing is half to blame for the thin laptops. They are shown to run stupid fast speeds and not a mention of their actual shortcomings. Take the new 10980HK, 5.3Ghz in big fat letters, no mention that it's for a single core, when TVB senses temperature in <50c range and for a very limited time. And then you get to the even more ridiculous stuff like 8core/16thread at 45w tdp.

For anyone not familiar with reading between the lines, this machine sounds great. Until you actually buy it and realize that you got a bugbook instead.

 

^^^Exactly^^^
Poop on a silver platter is still poop.

 

It's a hard sell to get a bigger device for their next machine often.

 

People are just going to have come to grips with the reality that laptops are going to suck from here on out. If nobody makes anything desirable you have to do without or settle for something you never wanted.

So the ultimate question becomes, how much money are you willing to blow on a disappointing piece of crap, and whose brand/logo is it going to have on the lid?

 

I hope we get a spiritual successor to the P870, and if not, sometime in the future the next system I'll build, will be a desktop.

 

I was diehard Alienware since 2007 with my first mALX then switched to Clevo in 2015 after Dell botched Alienware to crap (my last Alienware was an Alienware 18).

Now I'm not quite sure which direction I'll go in a few years. I can see keeping the P870TM1-G for a few years at least (same as I did with the P870DM-G), but the future looks grim for true, configurable DTRs.

Maybe a few years down the road the X170SM-G rev 2 will have matured into a monster plus if it gets @Prema magic that will help too. We will see.

 

Luckily there are plenty things to do to the P870TM1 to extend it's lifespan.

 

We will have to see what comes out and options they give

 

We'll have to wait until Clevo presents it to us...

Until then...

 

I don't see the core count limits on the current machines being an issue for a while to be fair.

 

As long as there is balance to core # and frequency.

 

Well AMD seem to be striking a good balance, I do hope they get their hardware/firmware support sorted properly.

 

I'm glad there is competition now, perhaps Intel will stop slacking.

 

Indeed, though responding properly with a relentless executing competition can be slow. I'll enjoy it when they do it properly though.

 

To be honest, Intel has not needed help to dig it's own grave lately

 

Everyone always needs a little push into the hole though

 

I wish we get the latest TI or RDNA 2 level GPU on this thing!

 

It would be nice if Nvidia got pushed to go that far.

 

Well there's always the Clevo DTR that has an AMD desktop PC that just came out. 16 cores in a laptop is pretty good.

 

I'm gonna to need more that 65W that ECO mode allows the 3950x to run at.

 

Well go nag Clevo to make a something like the P870 for AMD CPUs then
I have a feeling they're going to if that model sells well

 

You don't start with a total bleeding edge design with a totally new arch.

 

I understand by the thousands of posts you have on this forum that you dont like BGA laptops and I get it but this is a mobile community that loves laptops in general. Why not take your hate for the laptop market over to some desktop forums where it will be appreciated more. I have owned many nice BGA laptops that I enjoyed over the years. Yes, im looking for a nice desktop replacement atm which are hard to find but is it really necessary to continue to crap all over people that just like laptops in general, BGA or not? It doesn't feel good reading your posts as a laptop enthusiast. In times of need we need to stay positive, bring some positivity to the mobile community, getting people excited about laptops BGA or not is what makes this a fun hobby in the first place. Hearing someone complain in the corner every time we come on to a forum is not. You have been a great asset to the community over the years with videos and reviews but I come to this forum to hear some positive news about are hobby's that we love. That is all i have to say.

 

If only there was a way to scroll past messages you don't want to read or ignore users you don't want to see.....if only....

I know I'm not alone, but I appreciate Mr. Fox's direct, frank nature along with his vast community input helping users and projects.

There are a few (who doesn't have at least a few) users I tend to just scroll by without reading their messages. I tend not to ignore users, but I know I have the option. I've seen some longtime members get banned and while I didn't agree with everything they had to say, I always had the option to ignore or scroll.

You can do the same.

 

Any real news from clevo regarding any new models? The new Aorus is neat AF

https://xoticpc.com/collections/ult...e=1&rb_snize_facet1=NVIDIA+RTX+2080+SUPER+8GB

(CPU is BGA so its not for me but i like the specs and the design)

 

I dont appreciate it at all, not when everytime I come here I have to read it. Iv been on this forum for many years, I know how to use the ignore feature on this site as its used often. Life is already frank and direct enough, when we as customers come here to read up on the latest hardware and news we dont want to listen to you guys crapping all over are purchases. Start your own forum about how much you guys hate the new products coming out if you want to but this is a public forum with respectable people. We talk about respectable topics just like in real life.

Listen im not trying to start a fight with you guys, I understand whats going on here. Im trying to find a decent DTR my self as my BGA stuff is breaking on me but im not sitting here complaining about it to everyone dragging and ragging on everyone. Anyway, I wont say anything more about it I just thought I would bring it up as everytime I come on here I have to cringe when I see more crap about BGA laptops.

 

With critical thinking you do judgement calls, which is important since we all do it and make descisions based on them. Not to mention that you should not just blindly praise everything that you get servred from companies. So don't drink the kool aid and look at things objectively, there are flaws both with BGA and LGA laptops. But actively trying to ignore the facts is a bad way to go around this, especially in real life.

 

Did I see someone post in the earlier pages that Clevo have now discontinued the p870 series, I'm the proud owner of a p870dm-g but was starting to look at upgrading it to an RTX version. (Currently dual 908m's in sli).

Has it been confirmed that Clevo are not going to make a p870dm follow up series with RTX cards??

 

Yes the series was officially discontinued with the death of SLI.

 

sorry man, Im just a laptop enthusiast reading a forum. Have a great one guys!

 

It's all good, just saying you should look at both sides.

 

There might be some glimmer of hope for the x170 @Papusan , since the 10 core will share the unified heatsink with 2080S, which looks like it will run cooler that the regular 2080 since it uses low voltage gddr6. And that's quite an improvement when you compare it to a 1080. Not optimal, but as we know every little bit can help.