*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

That's where Donald works so it must be.

 

Perhaps. It depends on how you look at it. Sad to see people waste money on crippled trash, yes. However, if their disappointment and anger is great enough, maybe more people will pull their head out and stop being garbage fanboys.

It does. You will find it on the Memory menu in the BIOS. In order for XMP to be visible, all installed modules need to have matching firmware and matching XMP profiles. If they are mismatched and/or do not have XMP profiles the ability to select XMP does not appear because the option doesn't exist (or cannot work in the case of mismatch). If you have a stock BIOS there is no such menu and no ability to tune your memory properly. Function is limited to whatever the RAM firmware is programmed to do. If the sticks are mismatched, the BIOS will run the system based on the firmware resident on the slowest module or the one with the sloppiest timings.

For what it is worth, it may not be the brand or quality of the NVMe drive. I had two NVMe SSDs die on my desktop less than a week apart after installing Windoze OS X 20H2 and @Prema had an NVMe die shortly thereafter. They were all different brands and part numbers, including Samsung. It may be a strange coincidence. It may not be. I have no idea what caused it, but found it to be an interesting problem, not to mention a costly one. One of mine was a 1TB Samsung. The other was a 512GB generic NVMe with an Eluktronics branded label on it. Both worked perfectly one day and were deader than a doornail the next. They are not detected in any system. If memory serves me correctly, the one that died on Prema was a Samsung.

 

Gained from here:

https://www.techspot.com/review/2124-geforce-rtx-3070/



This is what someone on a fixed TDP cares about. Resolution etc is going to impact this but as you can see at their stock TDPs on the desktop the 3070 core is more efficient per watt and has a fair (though lower than previous gens) gain.

 

Very true. Nice graph, too. Although, folks should bear in mind that "performance per watt" doesn't mean you'll take home any trophies on race day. It only implies efficiency measured based on watts consumed rather than total performance output. It can be very efficient, but not be the best performer. Those are totally different measurements. We can apply similar measurements to lots of things, including internal combustion engines and electric motors. If presented in a careful way by people with an agenda (something to sell, be it a product or a belief,) to people that do not pay attention (typical consumers) it can lead to very wrong conclusions.

 

Yes it was from Ztecpc but it was the 4K monitor one. Base price starting at 2,999.00 with the added hardware.

 

Take a look here:

 

Sadly we both know that will never happen. When youtubers like LinusTechTips will title videos “this laptop is more powerful than your desktop” and be talking about an Asus garbage half soldered RAM , one RAM slot, one nvme slot 17” POS. . .well all hope is lost.

BTW that video did not trigger me to rage unsubscribe from his channel.

 

This seems to be mostly accurate. There isn't much left for which one can be pleased. And, that is not being negative; it is simply the brutally honest reality of the situation.

 

Not so long as our boys @B0B and @Mr. Fox are around.

We are a dying breed though. Believe me I was ready to except the egpu life style when thunderbolt 4 was announced. And yet here I am with the x170. I’ll hold out as long as I can. But the day egpu tech catches up to desktop performance within 10% I’m going that route. And I really hope it’s a tablet, because by George I do love me a good touch screen slab.

My biggest issue with these thin and lights is the companies themselves honestly. Once you’re past the 15 day return period you’re dirt them. And I’ve experienced that more than once. Oh you’re past our two week trial period. . .that’ll be $200. How companies like that make money and keep customers is beyond me.

 

That's a lie. 1.04 for X170sm-g has been available in Clevo's e-channel since 19 of December of 2020.

View attachment.

You can grab it here:

https://mega.nz/file/mJpgwYRC#HFqA9IYicRfNr0kVMvUdzYX4zdOXCSPFWx4oPoFe_3U

Palkeo hasn't updated his clevo mirror with X170-sm bios

 

On the other hand, gaming laptops are more popular than ever so there's still potential for a strong niche.

 

One of these days they're gonna make something new that I'll appreciate. I really appreciate any laptop that can either disable or comes with the intergrated gpu disabled. Having a desktop experience above all else is key for me. And alot of them are adding mux switches so it's not far off from having the best of both worlds. And with all of these QHD screens finally becoming a reality I think they're finally moving in the right direction. Unless you have a beast of a desktop with the latest and greatest 4K gaming is still tough to run.

Still really hoping I can upgrade my X170 down the road. Give me that QHD 165hz panel and a 200w RTX 3070 and I should be good to go. Just gotta wish for a little luck and hopefully that happens.

 

The bigger problem is the dumbing down of the niche, compromise and how loose the definition has become for a "gaming laptop" because 99% of everything that falls into that bucket is totally rubbish. The niche has moved from being one that aspired to high standards and was reserved for the elite to an all-inclusive barf bucket with room at the table for trash that should be rejected and viewed as unacceptable.

 

I could care less about performance per watt. All I care about is peak performance.

 

Exactly. Well said. At the end of the day, metrics like that are simply feel-good stats for the folks that want to justify spending less and getting less and make it seem like a smarter decision. Not that there is anything wrong with spending less and getting less if that's the goal, but let's call a spade a spade.

 

To me this whole mantra of "Performance per watt" feels like purposefully spread lies by the same mafia and their pets on youtube that is robbing people in broad daylight by selling them cheap crap at 4 times the actual price. I wonder what happened to people's brains in today's generation. The pandemic of stupidity nowadays is real and getting uncontrollable by the day. May God have mercy on us.

 

Dang, I wish I would have given you rep for this post instead of the last one, LOL.

 

Well the writing is on the wall...... we use to and still have desktop and tower computers, but less and less of them are being built, then laptops came along and now tablets and smart phones. 30 years ago they said intel would loose market to chip manufacturers from overseas and they they were stealing intels tech.

Now you have Crapple making Ipads and Macbooks that really are no different than each other but you pay more for the latter. Even I have moved from building full towers to mobile solutions, but I want desktop power in a laptop and then I back up files to Dell Power Edge serves and a PowerVault in a rack in a closet in the house.

And Cheap, low power arm processors are taking over the low end market because Intel and AMD are becoming trash.

But the light at the end of the tunnel is there.

A friend of mine and I were talking about Quantum computers and by the time we are 60 or 70 years old quantum computers will be small enough to fit in a laptop. I doubt they will run MacOS X or WIndows 10 natively,..... it will all be virtual machines.

 

Quantum computers only exist in science fiction tails as of now and will continue to do so for the next 100 years at least. There are some physical and electrical limitations that simply do not allow the development of stable quantum stages. In order to make it stable, the fabrication scale needs to be scaled up significantly and then power consumption, clock speed issues and logic skewing issues arise. It is a back and forth battle which is not going to end anytime soon, so don't hold your breath on it yet.

 

I'd say performace per watt is still important in DTRs and desktops, because even these machines have a limit to the amount of heat they can dissipate. The problem is that it's being used as an excuse to offer us less performance in laptops than in desktops.

Getting more performance in the same power budget is a good thing, but most laptops nowadays are pretty crappy. Laptops need to get thicker again, they're too thin now. We need beefier, heavier systems with super awesome cooling solutions. These are performance laptops, so they should be engineered for maximum performance. That's the whole point of these machines!

People who complain about weight in laptops need to hit the gym and beef up. If 10 pounds feels heavy to you, that frailty is going to cause other problems when you age. I find it ludicrous that people even complain about 5 pound laptops being heavy.

As my sensei says all the time to our students, if something is hard for you, you should keep doing it until it isn't.

 

I use my DTR for 'in house' movement. It's perfect to move from my breakfast table to my desk to my living room and bedroom. I can't really do that with a desktop.

 

There are variables though generally if an architecture is more efficient per watt and both have the same TDP it will come out ahead.

 

That's where I get my bios from. I appreciate the correction. I didn't lie I just didn't know. Could you provide a link to the e-channel

 

That's sort of what I'm using mine for. Kitchen to Living Room. Once I can actually buy a 30xx desktop card, one of those will be going in the eGPU box in the living room (Razer Core X Chroma) so literally all I have to do is plug in power and thunderbolt and I'm good to go with essentially a full desktop.

 

BOE NE173QHM-NY2

165hz 1440p lcd now officially supported!!!!!!

@Donald@zTecpc @Papusan @Mr. Fox

 

The e-channel is only accessible from partners. Sorry for taking your word for it!

Clevo's only official site is this one:

https://www.clevo.com.tw

and there is this part only accessible for partners:

https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_partners.asp?lang=en

The only things available there are: BIOS, service manuals, user manuals and marketing material (high quality photos) and that's it

 

oh so then i definitely wouldnt have know lol thanks

 

It's not always about the weight. It's also about how cute, thin and pretty it has to be (thin and in one sleeke piece of alu). Appleboys etc wouldn't be happy only with lowest possible weight on the Joke book. There you have it.

How can the gym fix that?

 

While my original reasons were business travel, which was a legitimate basis for owning an expensive DTR, I can no longer use that rationale. I was only home 1.5 to 2 days a week and it would have been kind of stupid to own an expensive desktop for more than a decade and a half of my life. Even a cheap desktop would have been an unused waste of money and space that collected dust. I later rationalized it the same way for having a DTR and using it at home. It made good sense in my own mind for a time. There is certainly nothing inherently wrong with the concept. But, now that I have all but abandoned laptops I find it difficult to not be at least somewhat disappointed by even the best of the best in a DTR. I now have two desktops and one laptop (turdbook) and I use the laptop so seldom that it hardly justifies owning even a cheap one. I use it maybe 3 or 4 hours a week, perhaps less. And, now there is sort of a feeling of liberation when I walk out of my home office (digital dungeon) after a 12+ hour work day and leave the desktops alone. I think there is an element of sickness to lugging a laptop (thick or thin) from room to room that is similar to people that are addicted to their smartphone and can't even imagine going to the bathroom without it. I can think of a lot of other things that are a lot worse than that, but now that I no longer do it, it just feels better to me to have no reason to accept any compromises on the basis that my computer is a laptop. It feels more like me owning it rather than it owning me. Is that weird, or what? It is a complete 180° shift in my thought process.

Another thing that is different (and better) is I am more agile, less sedentary. When I spent most of my waking hours with a laptop 7 days a week, year after year, I didn't move around much. I didn't need to. Everything I thought I needed was in my lap. That really messed me up, both physically and socially. Mrs. Fox seems happier now, so that's a plus.

 

You're welcome and sorry again

 

Is this the official download link from clevo? Or is this a re-uploaded file by user?

 

Palkeo's mirror? Reuploaded by user.

The above link in mega.nz is mine though, from this post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.831618/page-391#post-11073028

 

Does anyone know what happened to the free Obsidian Control Center? It seems like the download link for it is gone. All I see on Obsidian's site now is their fan control software: https://code.obsidian-pc.com/clevo-software/

 

Post you questions in here... CLEVO Drivers Update Utility by OBSIDIAN-PC

See also post below http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-by-obsidian-pc.801464/page-478#post-11072400

 

You don't need it now that you can mod the Clevo Control Center and stop it from meddling in your compouter's OC controls for both CPU and GPU.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-cpu-oc-component-completely-x170sm-g.834715/

 

does anyone have the "service manual" & schematic of this model (x170sm) to share? I couldn't find anywhere on the net.
thanks

 

This is exactly it. The Aorus 15G and 17G were a bit thicker and they're still very light and portable. Plus the Eluktronics Mech-15 seems to be in a similar size. Plus that leaves more room for other things like batteries and more storage space. And maybe even better speakers. I remember B0B doing a comparison between the Mech-15 and the Max-17 and they really were not any different from one another. So there is still room for improvement.

 

Sager has a bunch of resources on their site. Here is the link to their resources for the X170: https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=767.

If you scroll down to the bottom, you can download the user manual.

 

I agree with this. I know convenience and ease of movement is important to some people, but the really horrible thing is the "thin and light is all that matters" brain cancer has metastasized and now that demented perspective is slowly destroying everything else. A DTR should be a DTR. The size and weight should not matter. The bigger and heavier it is (within reason, of course) the more likely it is to be a legitimate DTR. When you set some kind of stupid limit and arbitrarily say anything bigger than X or heavier than Y is "too much" that's really messed up and the product is going to turn out to be something less than most DTR owners want it to be. How 'bout, make it work right, and however big and heavy that makes it be, it is what it is. But, it works right and doesn't have limitations imposed to accommodate form factor. That's what matters. Laptops suck because of those arbitrary limitations that are so unnecessary.

 

no worries

 

I would love a beefy portable laptop that has the CPU and iGPU only, then plug in an eGPU that plays through my laptops 16:10 500 nit FHD+ 100% aRGB display. This all being within that 10% official desktop performance.

I made a video about this probably 1-2 years ago.

 

MSI made the WT75 that came pretty close as it could be run with the iGPU only and before that they had the GT72, GT73 and GT75 first generation where this also was possible but those were BGA only and then there is the typical MSI cancer bios and dragon center.

I would prefer that such a machine came with a prema bios or something that has comparable capabilities and a mux switch and an MXM slot. Add a huge unified vapor chamber heat sink design and with a deactivated GPU we would have terrific CPU perfomance. Now we only need Clevo or some other manufacturer to see the light and most important an eGPU solution that does not cripple the best cards as much as most current versions seem to do.

Oh and I want a really big screen - with those slim bezels no reasons not to go up to 19" 16:10 in a case that would be no bigger than what we used to have with the Clevo P870 or MSI GT75.

 

Indeed. Sadly I don't think Dell is gonna play ball and make a desktop cpu only monster that uses the Graphics Amp for the GPU.

My guess is once Thunderbolt catches up that Razer will be the first ones to do something close to this. I could see them making a CPU only Blade 15 and have that hook up to a Razer Core mk.II.

I'd really like to see gigabyte do it with their Aorus line. They have the room in those thicker machines to make it happen. Plus those keyboards man. Yes please to deep throw keys.

Actually HP would be another company I would love to see try that. With a good revision to their HP omen 17 they'd be a solid candidate to pull that off. Plus they seem to have the cleanest software I've seen from an manufacture out there.

 

sth like clevo N350TW but with TB4.0 and a ryzen Desktop CPU like 5750G...upgrading the battery to it's 93Wh and it's what many enthusiasts like.

 

The Eurocom Commander 2 partially fits that description. Unfortunately it does not support overclocking since it uses a Q370 motherboard instead of a Z370 one. That makes it a no deal for me.

Given that you'd most likely be plugged into a wall outlet when gaming on a dedicated GPU, it'd be awesome to see something like this in a 17 inch form factor with a 100 Wh removable battery. The stupid performance deficit from using thunderbolt also needs to go away.

 

us

user manual and service manual are two different things.... i don't need user one but the service one with schematics...thanks anyway

 

Apple Started thin and light, Dell,HP and Lenovo fell in place. Then everyone else. I still like to think there is a time and place for a tablet and a laptop, not a tab-la-flop or what ever we want to call it.

 

What does everyone think of that Asus with that (what I believe to be proprietary) external GPU option?
What are your opinions on the laptop 3080’s as we get more info on them?

I think they would benefit if we could get some higher frequency & resolution panels.
Of course everyone that’s perfectly fine with 1080p seems like they’ll be happy staying with their 2080S’s...

 

Low TDP proprietary BGA nonsense.

 

You leave my Tab-la-flops out of this!

It will never happen, but I would love a to have a portable device like the Surface Book and have it hooked up to an eGpu without any noticeable performance hits. But, there is always a catch some where in that mix that makes that reasonable. I tried the surface book 2 for awhile and it was so close to being the best all around device. Great keyboard, good speakers, and modest performance at the time. If they stopped being idiots and let you use thunderbolt with the device it would be a great tool for work and play.