*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

I wonder how Photoshop CS6 will run on my Motorola Startac.

 

IDK, The company I work for is trading in the horrid HP Elitebooks with swelling batteries for MS Surfaces. i5, 16gb ram, etc,etc, etc..... You know what is going to happen..... My USB - C Docking station is not working. Why can't I connect my 3 wide screens to it. How do you use a lap-tap-lot with 1 small screen. I cannot connect my logitech usb receiver because there is no USB-A port.

How do I run Autocad on this thing, rendering takes 72 hours.

But my cell phone reocrds 8k video? :-D

 

I had someone complain their single module AMD FX system with 4gb of ram, 5400rpm HDD running Windows 10 with AV running.

 

Things get really complicated when people fail to distinguish the differences between likes, wants and needs. None of us are exempt from it, no matter how objective we like to think of ourselves as being. The easy part comes in identifying the things you hate, LOL. That much is relative and varies by individual, but it is never open to interpretation or negotiation... not many shades of gray unless one is confused.

 

Oh that’s gonna be fun. But then again if Microsoft was dragging their feet on giving those machine thunderbolt then some of those issues wouldn’t be headed your way. Why you would only put a usb-c port on an expensive tablet is beyond me.

 

When you think about the magnitude of technical ignorance for the average tablet-buyer, it's not that hard to understand. One USB Type C port is enough for their smartphone, so why not their tablet, too?

 

The general public annoys me to no end.

 

I wonder when those 5400 RPM drives will become obsolete. They are still available for sale all over the internet.

 

If it was for me, I'd place a worldwide rule in place that no laptop can weigh less than 10 pounds minimum if the manufacturer is to market it as a "gaming laptop". 10 pounds without power bricks, that is. And the chassis should be strong enough so that the owner could stand on it and jump up and down without denting or breaking anything.

 

I would add it needs to be sturdy enough to smash a MacBook as a bludgeoning instrument.

 

No thunderbolt no bueno for me..... thunderbolt is a must for me.

 

This literally why I bought the x170sm-g rather than a ryzen-based machine.

 

I am curious since a lot of you like to benchmark stuff, I would like to see a maxed out X170SM-G benchmarked against a loaded 15 or 16 inch Macbook Pro and see which laptop wins the bench mark? and the Macbook Pro is at least $1500-$2000 more expensive (not including a warranty like AppleCare) that will add at least another $300-$600 on top of the Macbook Pro.

 

First of all, they are called JokeBooks for a reason. There is absolutely no comparison between the two. X170SM-G is a monster as compared the most powerful JokeBook arround in all aspects you can possibly imagine.

 

Most desktop based clevo machines (non bga) would destroy any Mac book. Bga is filth that has plagued the world. Though I like what amd has done with the 5000 series it's still bga which means no upgrading and if you got issue it means replacing the entire mobo. If amd got oems to make a 570 series where you could socket a 5000 series processor id buy! Forget macs.

 

It also means that repair techs are brainwashed into thinking that this is always the solution and very few people know how to read a schematic and actually repair something with a soldering iron.

 

Ok so this is a dumb question, but how do these logitech unifying usb receivers work? the mouse only comes with 1, yet you can use the mouse with up to 3 laptops / computers at once with only 1 receiver? lol I don't want to buy $500 in mice for 5 laptops.

 

As far as I am concerned they are obsolete. 1tb SSDs are so cheap there really is no need to purchase a 5400 RPM drive. Spinning platters has died a long death. I don't care how cheap they are to buy!!! LMAO!!!

 

That's right. I have **** skill with a soldering iron myself lol. That's why I was terrified to do a shunt mod to my 2080ti lol

 

It’s been a long time since I’ve done it myself. But based on some people I see do it I probably could do it better than most still. It erks me everytime I see someone leave a non shiny solder joint and say “that’s good enough”.

I’d be scared to mess with a $1000 gpu also. I just leave mine be and enjoy what it can do out of the box. Though it’s collecting a lot of dust since I’ve got my x170. I really need to decide if I’m gonna sell it or not since I’m sure there is someone that would want it since gpus are hard to come by.

 

As a cheap, low power and quiet storage device they have a place, just not as a primary drive.

 

I sold mine for 800 bucks and put toward my 3080 fund for the x170sm. I'm also purchased 2 screens. 4k 120hz and 1440p 165hz in the near future.

 

How recent was that? Figured they’d go for less with the 3070 out.

 

january 4th this year

 

Looks like the refresh X170KM-G appeared for preorder with the new rtx 30xx. Anyone knows more about the gpus? Form, TDP?

https://xoticpc.com/collections/advanced-series-gaming-laptops/products/xotic-g170km-g-x170km-g

 

First I've even heard that MXM cards for the 3000 series was even being made. But if they follow the trend from the 2000 series it'll likely be between 150w-200w. I know I've heard people rumoring it might be more, but I'd take that with a heavy dose of skepticism.

Xoticpc was offering the x170 before anyone for preorder back when it was first announced. And it was a very long time before they even shipped. So they have a habit of putting things up before even they know what's really going on.

Regardless @Meaker@Sager or @Donald@zTecpc my wallet is ready. Upgrade me baby!

 

You think also the 3060, 3070 will be higher wattage as the bga variants, ar that will be only the flasghip 3080?

Haha, ill get that 2080 super from your shoulders if i cannot upgrade to 30xx. that if you ship to Germany

 

They’ll definitely be higher wattage than the bga. Those seem to be in the 80-90w like last gen with that new dynamic boost. I would hope the 3070 is a 200w card as I feel that is what I’d want to upgrade too. If they were going to do more than 200w I feel they’d only do it for the 3080. But we will see.

If I upgrade it’ll be up for grabs in my sig. So long as you’re willing to pay shipping costs I will ship over seas.

 

I would not expect a major improvement on the mobile side of the GPU situation like desktop. It's still early, but the dynamic TGP crap that NVIDIA is pulling is almost certain to castrate notebooks. I don't expect 3080 to offer more than a 5 to 10% performance boost over 2080S, and there may be some scenarios where 2080S outperforms 3080 due to performance capping on the new GPUs.

Here are some examples of Fire Strike runs completed by MSI on the 3080... Best 3DMark Fire Strike benchmark scores with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook)

Here is a Fire Strike run from @Prema with 2080S https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23587725

Here is a Fire Strike run from me with 2080S https://www.3dmark.com/fs/23812405

MSI's best graphics score with 3080 is lower than either of those examples. The 2080S is overclocked in both examples, but if it were performing well the 3080 would not be losing to an overclocked 2080S. That's really messed up.

 

I have the most hope for the 3060 since I exclusively buy 60 class cards. The 3060 mobile weirdly enough (and to our good fortune) has more cores than the desktop card.

Since Clevo tends to have significantly higher TGPs on their MXM modules than the competition, I'm hoping their 3060 will at least be on par with the desktop 3060 in performance out of the box. If we can tweak the power limits, we could even have it outperform the desktop card. Now wouldn't that create a riot? That would partially redeem this mess of a GPU series.

Also, for anyone here who has owned an Alienware Ranger, how does the screen on the X170 compare to the glossy screen on the Ranger? Are the colors just as good? I much prefer glossy screens, but wouldn't mind a matte screen that looks as good or better. Newer matte panels appear to be a lot better than the ones from the time I got my Ranger.

 

Messed up and sad aswell, that we have only one producer of MXM that we hope they will put a better card for us that still use DTRs. Hope that Clevo will still get some profits, when they will exit the market of DTRs, thats the end for us.

 

I doubt Clevo will exit the DTR market. It's their specialty. They've also been in that game for around 30 years.

We need another golden age of DTRs, and Clevo can kickstart that.

 

Well well well!!!
Eluktronics is now offering the PREMA BIOS for the x170!!!
Yes!!!
I talked to Steve at Eluktronics and he said I just need to return it (they pay shipping) it would be about a week and a half turnaround!!!

https://www.eluktronics.com/THICC-17/
https://www.eluktronics.com/THICC17-BYO

Sent from my OnePlus 7 Pro using Tapatalk

 

This is new to me and I have built computers since the early 90's, since when do you have to return a computer to the manufacturer to have a bios update installed? That just doesn't make sense.

 

The PREMA BIOS is very much designed to be installed remotely, like with TeamViewer. It does not need to be installed at a service center or a factory setting.

 

While this is true brother @B0B did a video on the 3070 laptops from MSI and the gaming tests he did were rather close to what I got on the games that I had to compare against what he showed. But there was no way to know exactly his settings. So my hope is if there are proper MXM 3070 and 3080’s they’ll be powerful enough for me to consider retiring my desktop for this generation of gpu’s. But we will see.

 

This is what I thought too. I am going to call them and see if I can talk to a Tech.

 

I just got off the phone with them. For some reason they don't want to do it over TeamViewer or remotely. I think this is the first system they are doing this for (I am not positive about that) but they really want to do it in house. Fortunately I am in Georgia and they are in Jersey, so it shouldn't take very long.

 

Yes, it is designed to be flashed remotely.

There is no harm in sending it if they are paying the cost as long as it works for you. The X170 is not a high volume sales item due to the size, weight and cost. Most customers prefer something thin, light and cheap (even though that means it's a sucky piece of garbage). Eluktronics is very focused on delivering an excellent product and service, as all Prema Partner Shops are. If they haven't sold one since the BIOS mod became available to them, perhaps they want to take extra caution to be sure everything goes exceptionally smooth with no complications for you as their customer. I could certainly respect such valiant focus on their part. Other than that, it is interesting that they want it shipped back for that operation.

It is truly wonderful news that Eluktronics has joined the PremaMod Partner Shop team. Fantastic!

 

Linus had a preview on the maxq 3080 in case you guys did not see.

 

If you mean this one, it is a good video. He has presented the most compelling basis that I have seen in a long time for avoiding wasting money on laptops. At least the severely castrated kind of laptops being offered, like the two emasculated sissy-boy turdbooks featured in the video. The spastic new design for Ampere mobile that we are seeing is absolutely necessary because of all of the severe engineering compromises that are being made. Performance has to be impaired due to those unfortunate compromises. You'd need dual 330W AC adapters like we used to take for granted in order to get anywhere close to desktop 3080 GPU performance from a laptop.

It will be interesting to see to what extent, if any, Clevo goes against the flow with their MXM/DTR GPUs to provide something more capable than their effeminate competitors that are peddling dainty turdbooks.



@B0B also has a great video warning laptop shoppers of what to expect (or not expect).

 

With the right machine though it is a step up. Those compromises just come from the shell but the performance is still pretty solid looking at s glass half full.

 

Yes, better to be half full than half empty.

This explains it further.


Crippling and gimping is status quo for laptops. The days of an overclocked laptop matching or beating the same GPU running stock in a desktop are over now. You can't do that with a chintzy little AC adapter, a thin and light chassis with two or even three tiny little fans.

@Prema does an even better job of explaining it in his comments relating to the above video.

 

Wow. I wasn’t expecting a comprehensive video from Linus about this kind of thing. He’s the guy I use as an example of a clickbait tech guy that just knows enough to make you think he’s telling you something important. Those game charts at 8:42 are very telling. They may not be better that a 2080S but they’re darn close. And the 3080 looks like an absolute scam. Yick.

 

I know, right? 3080 is not really an upgrade worth pursuing if you own a 2080S and 3070 looks like a minor downgrade. Ludicrous. Sell, sell, sell... go, go, go. Hurry, your friends on Facebook are getting one, so you need one, too.

 

Still hope for the MXM cards atleast. Experiencing the Eluktronics laptops with the 115w for the 2000 series really opened them up and got nice boosts in performance. So I’m hoping to see the same thing this time around. Question is how much they’ll let these cards pull. So very eagerly awaiting to see that.

 

I can't undertand why people like or prefer Optimus-books. A disgusting tech. It cripple the performance from already crippled cards At least you all in this thread don't have to deal with this disgusting mess when you have the Clevo X170.

 

Thanks Mr Fox. I wanted to see your take on this. I feel the same. If the most a RTX 3080 Mobile you can get is 150w there is no upgrade path to it for enthusiasts. I saw similar benchmarks with RTX 2080S overclocked it can run neck and neck with a RTX 3080 mobile. Disappointing so im going to wait to see what other RTX 3080 variants come in the X170SMG and what Prema and other enthusiasts can get out of the X170SMG with those GPUs.

 

Just out of curiosity, is it worth getting a 4K display on a 17.3" laptop? Wouldn't 1080p be enough and then maybe getting an external 4K monitor that's 32" be a better choice? (asking out of ignorance, since I've never owned nor used extensively a 4K display that's under 18" in size, I'd assume there would be very little difference in sharpness with such a small screen)

 

You are correct. The highest you should go on a laptop or desktop scrreen is 1440p because the pixel density on these types of screens is already pretty high. This is why the Nintendo Switch can reender games at 540p and they still look good, because the screen is so small.

4K only makes sense for large TVs.