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I also wonder how many dishonest bastards with sticky fingers work in customs and blame the courier. On a similar note, I have had things disappear from my checked luggage on domestic flights. (Fortunately, nothing of real value because I do not put valuables in checked luggage. But, it is no less annoying.)

Maybe if you identify a courier with a bad reputation for disappearing packages shipping a few of these would be a good way to curb the nefarious behavior.

 

Shipito seems like one of them, but as internet always is: only negative feedback is shared while good stay quiet.

 

Sadly, that is more accurate than it should be. That tends to be true of surveys and polls as well. Participants are often limited to those with an axe to grind and the line of sight on what is actually normal is obscured.

 

I'd gladly recommend ztec and others if it wasn't for such veiled garbage. You just simply can't trust plus nor minus.

 

That's why there is a forum to hear direct from people.

 

Indeed. We should be all thankful that freedom of speech is still allowed under certain conditions. The trick is to get more people that are pleased to share why they are happy so there is balance and perspective compared with the noise of the unhappy.

 

Alright well since I’m gonna be opening this thing up again to put in another m.2 drive in the near future I’m figuring I’m gonna upgrade the RAM. Just because. G.Skill seemed to have an appealing 3200Mhz kit. I didn’t see anything else that really stood out, but if someone has any other suggestions lay it on me.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820232714?item=N82E16820232714

Btw the X170 has been rock solid since the m.2 swap. No further crashes after roughly 6 hours of gaming. Man I miss my all weekend gaming binges. . .

 

I have noticed some very significant improvements with the new firmware. Here's a quick list:

1: GPU runs stupidly cooler than before. Even before it was insanely cool but now it's just plain ridiculous!

2: All 128 Gigs of my Kingston HyperX 3200 MHz ram is now running at 3467 MHz rock stable as I boosted the memory voltage a little bit to 1.35 volts. I noticed that it works fine at 1.30 volts too but I just decided to keep the voltage at 1.35 volts.

3: I can now undervolt the CPU directly from my BIOS instead of fiddling with ThrottleStop or Intel XTU. My machine is running very stable and I am super happy! Also there is a noticeable "umph" in performance due to memory overclock and the unit running at an overall cooler temperature.

If you have Prema firmware then go for HyperX 3200 MHz kit. You get lifetime warranty and you can overclock it by adjusting the voltage. However do run the memtest test # 4, 5, 6 and 7 to make sure that there are no issues with your sticks. If there are, you might as well get a new set asap. By the way, ram voltage boosting can in some cases get rid of memory errors so try that too.

 

Awesome stuff. All of your observations are valid. Firmware makes or breaks a system. Specs alone are never enough to offset screwed up firmware.

Increasing memory voltage is a good idea on desktops as well. Honestly, using anything below 1.350V is kind of idiotic. The stupidity of using 1.200V for DDR4-3000 or higher causes malfunction and it is why the crappy 3200 CL22 turdbook JEDEC exists. It requires sloppy loose timings because the voltage is too low for it to work well. I don't know what kind of silly thought process is behind the retarded fetish is for running such low voltage, but it make no sense. Higher clocks and tighter timings need more voltage. That applies to CPUs and GPUs as well. When you starve them, they're not stable.

 

Oooh lifetime warranty. I’ll take a gander. I’ve never used HyperX before so wasn’t sure they were good or not. I’ll have to research memory overclocking since that’s out side my knowledge. In the past memory speed didn’t seem to matter. Guess that’s changed in the past couple of years.

 

I cannot remember the last time I saw memory modules that were not lifetime warranty. That seems like industry standard unless something has recently changed with that trend that I have not noticed.

The most important thing when selecting memory is IC. Samsung B-die is the best. The Micron ICs are generally OK. I recommend avoiding S.K. Hynix. The brand name on the retailer's label is less important when it comes to function and stability, although the SPD (firmware) programming skills of some vendors is not as good as others. Even so, a lot of that is standardized, too. When you do not have BIOS access to adjust memory settings, (which applies to just about all laptops without a BIOS mod,) then it's silly to waste any extra for enthusiast RAM. You will be dependent on plug-and-play stability and reliant on the memory vendor to have done a good job of programming the SPD.

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/communi...b-die-liste-alle-hersteller-23-02-21.1161530/

 

You know what that makes sense. Looks like that G skill kit is SK Hynix too. So probably best to avoid it the. I’ve never had issues with G Skill in the past, but let’s not take anymore chances and just buy something good from the get go.

 

How does the prema mod affect gpu bios and cooling at all? Care to clarify?

 

Really hope Prema and XMG will sort something out

 

Hopefully, more choice is always good.

 

How about prema and sager, sager seems super quiet or am i missing something?

 

LPC-Digital offered the Prema bios before the X170SM was delisted. Also HIDEvolution is an option if you need international shipping just like Eluktronics.

 

Hid already shows some rather interesting configurations :
https://www.hidevolution.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=X1702+

X170 with i10 gen and a rtx3080 capping at 165w(?)

 

Yes, X170KM which was announced at CES:

 

Wasn't it announced with gen11 and the 3000 series had unannounced tgp? 300hz seems to be custom picked since they offer 144hz

 

The listed specs may change once they have more info. It tends to happen with pre-orders. Around mid-March Rocket Lake should be announced and we should have more specifics.

 

What do you mean by delisted, bro?

 

Probably ran out of stock, with no more available from Clevo.

 

Ah, well, that's certainly not good. It seems like nothing desirable is available for purchase now. First we find that we can't buy any good CPUs and GPUs because there is never enough stock to fill the demand, and now I hear that the world's only true DTR laptop is no longer available. The world has become a very sketchy place from every angle. It's pretty amazing how quickly things can take a turn for the worse.

 

Well, we still have some

 

That has to be the best news I have heard for more than a month. Maybe the only good news, LOL.

 

I need this 3080 in my.laptop lol. I've been so bored I been using my tb3 to mine rvn coin lol

 

If 165w was true this laptop would run cooler than some towers while delivering almost same advantages as before

 

waiting for x170km-g - our notebook next stage

 

Me want one so bad....

 

I'm afraid the Clevo X170KM is delayed till the end of April.

 

march / april - whatever....one month is a small price to pay for perfection.

 

On a different note, will you be offering the AMD tongfang models as well as the comet lake models that are available now?

 

X170 smg was also quite alot delayed. Seems like a common clevo thing

 

Ditto. Depending how it stacks up to a desktop 2080ti I’d replace mine entirely with this machine. But being able to get our hands on one will likely be a fun adventure.

 

Ever since I increased my RAM voltage up from 1.2 to 1.35 volts, not only have I been able to increase my memory clocks but also the overall motherboard thermals have ever so slightly improved. This is largely due to the fact that higher voltage means less overall current draw (4 modules running at 3200 MHz draw a significant amount of current) which lead to overall improved load line stability and the more stable that is, the lower the peak to peak ripple voltage is across the entire power grid. Lower ripple voltage means less heat, less coil whine and improved longevity overall. I have noticed this in several other motherboards that I own and in some cases, the improvement was so significant that it even helped with the load line calibration for the CPU itself and a slightly better sustained OC. I don't have a circuit diagram for this model (yet) but this is something that I have seen in other motherboards (for which I had the circuit diagrams handy) and is most likely the case in this scenario as well.

 

Sager will be keeping things stock.

 

And you cannot increase the voltage from 1.2 to 1.35 with the stock bios can you? will it work with an un-locked bios?

 

Stock bios is as locked as can be. Unlocked probably has it but also other doors that can kill your laptop. Premas bios modification went through trial and error for customers to not brick their own machines.

 

You could try using XTU to modify it. That value should get applied to the BIOS if its configurable.

Also with the stock bios you should be able to dump it then use UEFITool and Universal IFR Extractor to get the setup menu offsets, then calculate the raw value for 1.35v and apply it using a usb thumb drive loaded with RU.EFI. Changing things this way always has a chance to leave the system in a non-bootable state if a mistake is made, so be sure to review the EC / BIOS recovery reset process before hand.

 

4 ddr4 sodimms are not actually THAT power hungry in the grand scheme of things. Not compared to things like the CPU and GPU.

 

Glad i'm not the only one. I'm using the 2070 super to mine since the temps stay super low. If I could get a GPU for a non-stupid price, I'd use tb3 as well.

 

I was able to get 2x 5700xt and use then on tb3 to mine for 900 bucks on ebay brand new too

 

Is it correct that even the X170SM with the 2060 needs two power supplies to be able to charge its battery while in use?

And is it known if there will be any changes to how the power supplies and charging work with the X170KM?

 

Doesn't work with stock bios. And Intel XTU doesn't work for adjusting memory voltages on stock bios either.

 

The system doesn’t charge with one charger. It seems to be hard wired not to do so. It only maintains the charge. Plus the lower configurations come with two 230w chargers instead of the 280w chargers. This is honestly the only real flaw I think this machine has.

 

You only need one power adapter:

 

Xotic pc has the x170km-g with rtx 3080 with 10 gen cpus.
But I want one from ztecpc with prema bios.


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Just for preorder. So you might as well wait for zTecpc to get them in stock.

 

I thought nvidia said manufactures were required to put gpu specs like wattage and other stuff on there sales pages for laptops but I don’t see anyone doing.

We still don’t know what the final wattage will be on the rtx 3080 in the x170km-g do we. Who in there right Mind would pre order a laptop with rtx 3080 if you don’t even know the wattage of gpu. That’s silly


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