*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

It was never "lost" in the first place. Nobody really cares about impatient noobs who don't have enough respect for people like Prema in this community. Frankly, if I were in his place, I would ban such people from ever getting my mods. It's never a good thing to reward thankless and reckless beings who just bad mouth everyone else simply because they don't have enough patience and respect for somebody else's freedom to choose a business model of their choice.

 

Is it possible to add a code to the bios so it reverts itself to standard if a copy is attempted?

 

I don't think anyone who is likely to copy and redistribute the firmware will ever get his hands on it. Even if they do, the firmware is married to the serial number of the device that is baked into it. It will NOT work on any other device even if copied and the device will most likely be bricked. And good luck trying to find out the serial number from a copied firmware without getting help from @Prema. On a serious note, you cannot "buy" it separately. Just try to get in touch with the man himself and see if he has enough time and resources to make one for you. You will have to donate something first but he's nice enough not to ask for a definitive sum of money. You can donate whatever you like (and obviously he has the right to entertain people who donate more and leave the cheap skates and freebie seekers for the end of the queue).

 

As i don't have this laptop anymore, im kind of just hoping other nice people or my original reseller(xmg) can get their hands on it. I believe alot of wonderful people out there deserve a hero like him on their awfully prisoned x170. And of course Europe can't clone him yet.

 

Now that’s what I call custom! Nice looking, so jealous right now

 

Please enlighten everyone on what you mean exactly? There are a lot of users that are not "noobs" and no one that I am aware of has had any dis-respect for his work. But if the prema bios is so great and it is offered free to partners , what exactly is the loss if you are say in Europe and there is no partner? or in the case of Eurocom, loosing their partnership. It actually seems silly and for people new to the clevo experience, trust is lost when they find out about all these stipulations about vendors this, vendors that, etc, etc.

I have been building pc's long enough to know this is absolutely silly.

Cause at the end of the day it is the people buying these laptops that get hurt and they only way to stop it is to stop buying from vendors that push people around.

 

It's a nice touch to see when booting your machine

 

I am having a difficult time making sense out of this. The program is pretty simple. You have two options for getting the PremaMod firmware, but only the first one is guaranteed.

1. Purchase a Clevo from a PremaMod Partner Shop
2. Befriend Prema and wait until he has time to do it for you

This has nothing to do with Clevo or with any vendors pushing anyone around. Some vendors of laptops will give you a free mousepad and mouse, or maybe a backpack or RAM upgrade, etc. PremaMod Partner Shops offer Clevo laptops featuring firmware that's not screwed up. You can't demand a free mouse and mousepad, back pack, RAM upgrade, etc. from a vendor that isn't giving things like that away as an incentive to buy from them. This is no different. If you want to benefit from the incentives your option is limited to buying from a vendor offering the incentive you want.

People that constantly express an entitlement or toss out opinions that everyone should get it no matter where they buy a laptop are being disrespectful. They are showing disrespect for customers that followed the rules, disrespect for the partner shops that do what is required to participate, and disrespect Prema's Partner Shop program (which is also indirectly disrespecting him). And, those are the people that are least likely to find any success with option #2 above.

The only people that are of the opinion that any of this is silly are those that think playing by the rules doesn't apply to them. Vendors that don't play by the rules don't get to stay on the program... it's that simple.

 

Couldn't agree more! This sense of "entitlement" is basically false. It is someone's personal work. They are buying the machine because they want to, not because he has forced them to do so. Now if you buy from his partners, you have the edge. If you are like me and don't have access to Prema partners anywhere in your local geographical buy zone then you just have to ask the man to do you the favor. If he does, all thanks to him. If he doesn't, I DO NOT have the right to sound all fired up and talk about "trust". There is nothing "wrong" with this machine in the first place. Even before Prema Mod, my machine was beating many desktops in terms of raw performance and thermals by doing some nifty tweaks and adjustments. Prema Mod is just the cherry on top for me. In order to put it into perspective for any newcomers, Prema is NOT owned by Clevo. This is his "personal" venture. If you want to get his firmware, either buy this machine from his partner or try to get it directly from him. Don't raise any "trust" concerns because they are utterly unfounded and borderline ridiculous.

 

Point of clarification...it is not free to partners. Indeed, we all pay for it, and then offer it to our customers at no additional charge.

None of the Prema Partners push anybody around, rather, they give them total freedom to choose.

 

Congrats

 

Perhaps people want a europe reseller to handle it because warranty is a big deal past a certain ammount of euros. Also assume alot of reseller here are cheap and don't see the benefit of paying a service for hardware that barely sells. (Rough guess)

 

But from what I know Dream Machines (POLAND) is a Prema Partner. So why not buy from them instead...

Tadaaaaa just like magic we have a Prema Partner in Europe.....

 

you guess too much!! dream machines do not even care to reply to a simple question if they are a prema partner at all anymore, they don't even have it mentioned on their page anymore!

 

I am not guessing anything, I know for a fact that they are a Prema Partner.
@Prema pls share some light on the matter if your time allows it.

 

Congrats!!!

 

Prema is not free to partners. They pay prema for his work. I doubt the man work bust his ass fixing clevo cancer for free. I know I wouldn't.

 

I swear everytime we explain the whole Prema Mod situation to someone there is always some one new who just repeats what the last person said. I mean really just act civil. Is that really too much to ask?

 

In today's day and age, unfortunately yes.

 

Probably because its intransparent to most people, also laptops are enjoying a growth in purchase since covid forces people to stay home. I can quarantee that's a big reason in EU for example. A more organized list of reseller being part of the programm which apparently used to be there at one point would probably be useful to everyone new to this kind of laptop.

Also as mentioned warranty plays a big role.

Seriously tho, it appears xmg can't get connected to prema somehow check attachment. How did you guys/partners get connected?

 

Like said before.
Until @Donald@zTecpc and team came along, pushed really hard and put their full support behind it, there was no plan to even make a PremaMod for the X, like at all.

It has since been rolled out to EVOC, LPC-Digital & Eluktronics Stateside.
Promises made, promises kept.

For various reasons there is currently no other partner offering the X170 with PremaMod.
Biggest factor here being time.

Peace of mind > success

 

Thank you for your response, so we europeans can finally call it a day and hope for the future atleast.

 

Nope. You can still buy the machine and get the firmware from Prema and say goodbye to the warranty. That is, if you care enough. This machine is a tank and I don't think warranty is really needed once you have confirmed that the machine is working fine for at least a month. But that's how it is. I happily gave up my warranty because I don't really care enough about it.

 

@Prema thanks for giving the whole community an opportunity to actually have access to your BIOS. You are the real MVP

 

Sorry that every time someone buys a clevo things need to be repeated, but it might make a difference if this thread wasn't 443 pages long and cover 200 different topics. The management of this forum is a separate topic for another thread.

 

The problem is that nobody bothers to use the search feature. People just come and dump their thoughts in a new post without even looking for an answer to their questions/concerns in the previous posts. This isn't specific to this particular forum btw. This is just a widespread nuisance across all of cyber space.

 

Google is your friend. . .and then they get mad at ya for telling them to use Google.

 

This is honestly what i'm hoping to do, but obviously @Prema doesn't know me for squat, so i'm just... trying to bide my time...

I'm actually in his bushes, waiting to pounce.

 

At that point you might as well wait and buy the eluktronics refresh and have them send it over (warranty useage will be useless this way as well), 3080 and 11gen have been confirmed for april (reddit eluktronics source).

Probably going to reroute people that way, aslong as nobody cares risking 3.5k.

 

In europe they offer @Prema from Dream Machines.

 

Actually, they were removed from the Partner program over a year ago. So, Dream Machines is not a PremaMod partner and do not sell current Clevo models with the firmware mod.

I am unable to provide any details on this because I do not know any details. I only know that they were removed.

 

@Donald@zTecpc is it possible for you guys to modify your configurator to include international purchases similar to eluktronics version? (Tax / ups / etc)

 

Thank you for the information. I am trying to buy clevo x170, but i only can from Europe. I'm looking for @Prema mod.

 

It has been stated a gazillion times, even by prema himself, for now theres only 2 ways for this:
A) you buy from USA resellers who are Prema partner(eluk/hid/digital/ztec)
B) you buy one from a eu reseller, give up on your warranty and get in contact with prema somehow and donate a certain ammount to have him install it remotely

 

Unfortunately, we only ship to USA and Canada. Most of our international customers use a forwarder in the USA, to which we will ship Ground for free (except to Hawaii & Alaska).

email [email protected] for more details.

 

I have actually sold several items here in the NBR marketplace where the purchaser has done that. Even eBay offers a service like that for International shipping.

 

Have read through some experiences from germans using those services and its mixxed bag. Eluktronics definatly has the better delivery option for international while also cutting the mediocore middleman who also charges depending on weight and service.

 

Thankfully, it's not something I have to worry about. But, from what I have heard and read, dealing with customs (some countries more than others) can be a real pain in the butt, especially where citizens are brutalized with merciless and draconian VAT and import duties.

 

I'll take that VAT over the alternative personally, never had a problem sorting it, can even justify it as a business expense sometimes though.

 

We Europeans just need a quality reseller offering prema. I'd easily pay a premium for a prema bios.

 

+1

 

That's the benefit of Eluk more or less.
You buy their x170 i9/2080s for roughly 2.800€, they automatically pull tax and delivery (ups) from where the destination is going to be and add it on top which in total would roughly be 3.500€. (about same cost as xmg minus you don't get to select what ssd and ram they put in.. and of course enjoy claiming warranty overseas..)

You have nothing to do besides waiting for your package.

 

The deal from Eluktronics for us in Europe is not that bad if you think of the benefit of getting the Prema Bios, just did a price check with customs and transport to me in Germany and a x170 with 2080 super i9 10900k, but no hdd and ram or wind10 and its about 3150 Euros. in line with the EU prices almost.

Warenkorb-Zwischensumme (1 Artikel): €2446.91 EUR
UPS International: €162.63 EUR
Zölle, Steuern und Gebühren €517.02 EUR
Gesamtwert der Bestellung:
€3126.56 EUR

 

Theres only one major difference, transport overseas which breaks your warranty pretty much from european 2years down to nothing.

Also keyboard will be US. Almost forgot.

 

Yeah thats the risk of getting Prema Bios right now with us europeans.

 

I guess most people for now would want a 30xx GPU in their X170 so maybe until these become available @Prema finds the time to work out something with a European vendor. XMG seems to be in a good position and interested but in the end Prema has to make that decision.

Until then several US vendors are available to members if they are fine with importing. Myself I would probably go for ztecpc due to the added modifications and maybe just go with an entry level CPU and then upgrade it later if budget was a concern.

 

I'd recommend ztec if they sent directly instead of relying on forwarder which in worst case not only charge you horrendously but also magically letting your laptop disappear. Pursuing them from EU is impossible. Thus only one option is available, which until theres a EU member -> eluktronics.

 

You are making horrible assumptions about forwarders, who usually charge much less than carrier published prices, and they do NOT have their shipments magically disappear. If a shipment is lost, that would be on the carrier, and could happen regardless of who shipped it.

Shipping to a forwarder in the lower 48 States in the USA is free (Alaska and Hawaii are excluded).

Finding a forwarder in a state for which sales tax is not collected is wise (* means short in transit time):
Arizona *
Arkansas
Delaware
Kansas
Missouri
Montana *
New Mexico
New Hampshire
North Dakota *
Oregon *
Rhode Island
South Dakota

Just check the forwarders reputation...some are better than others... Due diligence FTW.

 

How would you go on about the lost package then? I doubt that will be a healthy conclusion. All of the experiences i found cap at 3/5 ratings. It's a middleman after all.
Perhaps i'm falsly assuming but if theres a direct way, which only costs 150€, i'd recommend that all the time.

 

Of course, that is your choice.

Lost packages, regardless of who shipped them, will be covered by insurance. It doesn't matter whether it is 'direct' or through a forwarder, the carrier is the culprit if it is lost, not the shipper.