*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

To run your RAM at advertised speeds select the corresponding XMP profile in the BIOS Overclocking > Memory section.

As for manual tuning anything your CPUs memory controller, RAM and board can handle goes.
Haven't put a specific limit into the Firmware:

https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1316722636936941569?s=19

Stock BIOS user can do this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.831618/page-300#post-11060314

As for alternative AC Adapters, the board limits the total power draw to roughly 560W, so using a higher power PSU won't allow to pull more or increase performance.
e.g. this one used to be a lot cheaper (more like half that price).

As for minimum wattage. An advanced user can probably run the system, under manually configured values, with a 330W adapter comfortably, but I wouldn't advise to go any lower than that.

For cables you can just cut and merge the stock ones on to a single supply, at least that's what I did. It's free

 

I don't own a X170 but I got a question for you @Prema or anyone that can help me. Do XMP ram sticks actually advertise that the module supports XMP profiles!? I'm just asking because I never overclocked my cpu or ram and dunno if it is advertised

 

You can tell by the clock speed. Other than the new crappy 3200 CL22 SO-DIMM modules designed for laptops with cancer firmware (no memory tuning access) the actual JEDEC is normally 2133, 2400 or 2666, so for modules that are rated for 3000, 3200, 3400...4000, etc. XMP is simply taken for granted because memory does not run at those speeds without XMP profiles or manual tuning. Using XMP or manual tuning requires user action. Having RAM with an XMP profile doesn't enable the profile. You have to do it deliberately. If those BIOS options are not exposed or the firmware registers are not unlocked to allow XTU access then you're screwed.

If you read the specs or product documentation they will often mention XMP, but nothing in the branding name of the module (G.SKILL Ripjaws, Patriot Viper, HyperX, etc.) generally refers to it as XMP. The XMP profiles are part of the firmware on the RAM itself.

Memory modules that do not have any XMP profile in the firmware can usually have that empty space programmed with an XMP profile using Thaiphoon Burner as long as you have a BIOS that allows you to enable SPD write access. You cannot use Thaiphoon Burner on a laptop with a stock BIOS or on a desktop unless you go into the BIOS, finds the SPD write access menu option and enable it. The default value blocks write access. The @Prema BIOS has that enabled by default, so you don't have to jump through any hoops to use Thaiphoon Burner.

 

The Corsair sticks I've used (both a 3600 and 3800 SODIMM kit) required memory training to find their maximum speed in my P870TM1 (Prema). The 3600 kit was faulty so Corsair replaced it with the 3800's and they're great. Using 2x, defaulted to 2667 and using 4x defaulted to 2400 (below stock SPD) and I following the steps laid out by @Johnksss and @jc_denton I worked my way up to 3467 and worked my timings down to CL15 @ 1.25v which is where they stands now. My system board traces hit a wall there as my 9900k p0 has zero problems hitting 4400 on the desktop w/ my Z390 and stock XMP 4000 CL15 B-Die worked right out of the gate.

Corsair lists some vague wording on their website which basically puts the ball back in the laptop maker's court without mentioning XMP and even implies you can "just plug it in and go"

The sticks have an empty profile slot for programming along with a profile preset @ 3800. I would be interested to see how high someone has pushed these (or similarly rated) sticks in an X170

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/Vengeance®-Series-32GB-(4-x-8GB)-DDR4-SODIMM-3800MHz-CL18-Memory-Kit/p/CMSX32GX4M4X3800C18#tab-overview

 

I am surprised they get away with stating that. They have been stating that in marketing materials for a long time (since maybe 2015 or so). I've seen way too many complaints that it never happens and I've never seen a laptop that just does it automatically. Maybe a few models do, but saying "most" seems like it is a misrepresentation.

Perhaps they really mean to say, " Some laptops will automatically operate XMP-enabled memory at the highest clock speed the manufacturer has decided to allow it to run, which may be at a lower clock speed than the memory modules' advertised XMP profile speed."

The popular way around that in 2020-2021 is to have the JEDEC (so as to not even require an XMP profile) programmed at 3200 with sloppy loose CL22 timings and 1.200V. That is not enough voltage for 3200 even with those sloppy timings, so some laptops are unstable, and some won't even boot 3200 with 1.200V. This is a marketing stunt to facilitate selling a more expensive product that makes turdbook jockeys think they are getting something special.

 

The one that raised my eyebrow was, "No configuration is required to take advantage of the higher speed – just plug it in and go." Yep, just plug it in and experience that rip roarin' 2400mhz x 4 or 2667mhz x 2.....

 

I cannot imagine how many RMAs they receive by misrepresenting the product in that way. It is not the fault of the memory, it is the fault of the laptop. It is misleading at best, even though it is technically correct if you pay very close attention to what they are actually saying. It is subtle, but they never definitively claim it will run at the rated speed.

But, then again, maybe not so many RMAs. I suspect a lot of noobs buy it, install it, and move on to something else. As long as it turns on when they press the power button they are happy and they have no idea if the memory is running at the advertised speed. Many have no earthly idea how to even check to find out. They are simply excited because they purchased high-speed memory and assume it is functioning at high speed. Some might even read that, understand it, and wrongly conclude " OK, I guess that must be the maximum reliable 'overclock' setting" for their laptop and not even realize that it is not overclocked. As they say, "Ignorance is bliss."

 

That's good to hear ! Don't want to take the plunge until Clevo starts using those 1440P 165hz panels in this chassis though. With hopefully a RTX 3080 150w GPU. Hopefully PREMA and MRFOX can tweak the BIOS to get as much power out of it as they can before it is released to the masses.

 

Thank you very much for the explanation. Been trying to get the information for a long time but when I didn't know what to actually Google, I didn't get any specific info. Thanks a lot brother Fox

 

The ISO has been finalized and tests have passed at least on my machine. Currently using it as a daily driver without issues.
@Mr. Fox I couldn't add you in the conversation where I shared the download links but I have sent you via e-mail. All others who liked the post or showed interest have been added to the conversation.

For anyone else interested, this ISO is based on Windows 10 LTSC with the following enhancements:

1. Telemetry for MS and all third parties including NVidia disabled.
2. All "cloud" services crap disabled and removed.
3. All driver updates via Windows updates have been permanently disabled.
4. All IE and related junk removed.
5. All Cortana and related junk disabled. Cortana removed. Just settings menu exists now but it's a dummy.
6. All spying "services" removed.
7. All unnecessary services have been set to "Manual" or "Disabled" where necessary.
8. All targeted advertising removed and sharing of Ad id with any apps disabled.

Result is a super snappy, basic bare bone version of Windows that just works without the bloatware or unnecessary crapware in the form of a generic ISO which can be installed on any machine and updated via Windows Updates. Since all bloatware has been removed, windows updates will also not include any bloatware related updates.

 

Share please

 

Added to testing conversation.

 

i want test too, please add me

 

Having wonky jedec timings/voltages is totally on the ram sticks

 

So far it seems to hold the record for actually running at 3800 mhz as of right now.


also to note, most machines will run higher stable clocks with 2 sticks over 4.

 

Done

 

M

Me too!

 

Please add me as well, S.K.!!

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Seems nice and light... LTSC Lite Edition. Good job!

 

Done

 

Nice! I am currently running it as my main gaming OS and it seems to be very stable with no glitches what so ever. I've been trying to find time to do it since forever but no regrets now that it's finally done. Next up, will do the same to Win 10 Pro for people who currently own a Pro license. Let's see how that project turns out. But it will be a lot more messy to do than this, that's for sure.

 

I'd be interested in that. Does it need any special keys or does it just work?

 

@S.K
Add me please.

 

Done.

Done. You have to buy the key separately but it is just 18 bucks so no biggie.

 

@S.K count me in for the pro version when it is ready pls

 

Add me as well. Thanks!

 

Looks like you could start another business @S.K

 

This is something that I am doing voluntarily.

 

The level of interest really shows how much enthusiasts desire something better than the broken piece of garbage the Redmond Reprobates are offering. So many are sick of their bloated PC smartphone OS mess.

 

Well, you can count on Pro being inferior in terms of performance. It is loaded with too much crap. Unless you have found a use for the extra payload of garbage it is packing, LTSC would be the better option. wPrime32M is probably one of the best tests of system responsiveness. It does a good job of demonstrating how quickly an OS responds and it is a test that any version of Windows 10 struggles with because it is not a responsive OS. This really captures how much better LTSC is due to the lack of worthless bloat. It is a short burst test of 100% CPU load on all cores, and it takes the cancer version of Windoze about a second longer to complete the same workload. Not as good as Windows 7, but much better than the other Windoze OS X crap alternative. The newer the version of Windoze OS X is, the slower and less responsive it is. When you consider how short the burst test is, a 1-second increase is totally unacceptable.

Windoze 10 Pro Cancer Edition	Windows 10 LTSC S.K. Edition

 

Nice comparison there! By the way, WIndows 10 Pro Basic bare bone version is in the final trials. Once the ISO passes my tests and is stable, I will hand it over to you guys as well to run some tests. If both come close then pro users will have a solid alternative to switch over to and we will not have to worry about all the bloat and OEM spyware/viruses anymore.

 

Just a sad head's up for those considering purchasing the X170SM-G from Metabox in Australia - while they state they are a Prema Partner, they don't actually provide the BIOS.

I've been contacting them regularly since near the end of November last year about acquiring the BIOS, and despite assurances they'd provide it, I'm still waiting :'(

It may actually prove better to acquire the X170SM-G from a Prema Partner shop located in another country, like zTecpc, and just pay extra for the shipping - you'd at least end up with a far superior product.

 

I am also interested, Thank you

 

Consumer law is pretty strong in Australia so if it was advertised there would be that avenue.

 

Thanks for saying something. It is available to them. You don't have it yet because they do not, but only because they haven't responded to his prior communications.

 

Just got my computer back from Eluktronics with the Prema Bios. Would love help setting the memory timings. Deadeffect#0542 on discord if anyone has time.

 

The Windows 10 Pro Basic Bare Bone ISO is up and running. Working quite well. I have restricted the Windows Updates so that they ask for permission now before downloading any updates. Also, all microscum junk and bloatware including EDGE and CORTANA have been removed. The only pre-installed item that I left in the ISO is Photos and OneDrive (considering some people use it but it can be uninstalled from add/remove programs with 1 click.)
This is a version locked build which means it will NEVER go to 21H1 or beyond! The version of this ISO itself is 2004 and there are no performance issues. Latest updates available for version 2004 from Windows updates are dated February 2021 so it's quite regularly updated. Tons of other changes have been made as well, making it a headache free Pro version.

 

Which RAM sticks did you buy? I am looking on Amazon and I am having trouble finding anything in the 32GB (1 stick) size that will run above 3200 MHz. Even the 3200 MHz models are out of stock!

 

I have Kingston HyperX 3200 MHz x 4 (2 kits with 2 modules in each). I bought mine from Amazon but you can also buy it from several other places. Be prepared to RMA one or more of them (based on your luck) after you run a memtest on your machine. Running 4 sticks at once at such high speeds, especially if you have no Prema firmware, can create memory issues due to default 1.2 volts for DRAM which is WAY too low, where one or more sticks keep giving read/write errors that leads to intermittent crashes. I RMA'd mine once and also switched some around, mixing and matching with various modules that I had at home in order to find out the best fit for my machine as I have other server grade laptop machines running these sticks in them. So just keep this in mind while buying any set of 4. From my experience, Kingston's warranty service is quite good though and it's lifetime.

 

Here you go guys. Download and enjoy both Windows 10 LTSC and Windows 10 Pro basic bare bone debloated non-spying versions!

Thread link: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-ltsc-pro-debloated-with-several-enhancements.835513/

 

Like these? Thank you!

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HyperX-I...las-QkoW7x9I09IkeCsaAo_uEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

Yup these are the ones. Try to find yourself a kit of 2. That way it'll be a little bit cheaper overall.

 

These have been perfectly stable, but since I have the stock bios they won't run at 3200.

 

Clevo laptops are worthless without the Prema BIOS

 

Have you tried what Prema suggested here?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.831618/page-300#post-11060314

 

I did read that post and turned overclocking on, but the latest version of XTU, I only had CPU adjustments, nothing for the ram.

 

I would suggest trying XTU version 6.5.2.40, as the newer version seems to no longer have advanced memory tuning.

 

Just un-installed version 7.3.0.33 , rebooted, installed 6.5.2.40 and it looks like it auto updated back to version 7, nothing for memory adjustments.

 

Intel do odd things with XTU versions like take features out then put them back in later.

 

If you disable network connections then install 6.5.2.40 then does it prevent the auto-update?

Oh, and you may need Clevo Control Center to be uninstalled if you have it, as I believe it may bundle some version of the XTU service that may cause conflicts.