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I don't think so. Although they are better with PREMA mod, that's for sure.

 

They will never run at 3200 without prema bios. Only 1.2V JEDEC will go to 3200.

 

Get the HyperX 3200 MHz modules instead. Mine ran like a clock even without Prema bios. Now that I have Prema mod running however, I can push them beyond 3200 MHz. It's heavily dependent upon what kind of silicon you are getting when buying your modules.

 

Only my samsung 3200jedec ran at 3200mhz by default.
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 SODIMM 1.2V also are the only ones going to 3200mhz. 1.35 won't.

HyperX wasn't the stated Ram in use but maybe he should send the crucials back and get those to try

 

Is there any tangible benefit to gaming with such high memory speeds? Or is it only for benching?

 

This is one of my best works so far. This time I have released a Windows 10 Pro build based on v1709 which will now allow you, the user, to choose what exact build number do you want to allow Windows Updates to take you to, or if you want to stay on your current build. You will literally have to enter the build number via a registry script provided and after reboot, when you run Windows Updates, it will take you straight to that build version! I wish Windows was like this by default. But now you have the freedom to choose what build you want to run. Also, merged .NET Framework 3.5 straight into the new ISO. Thanks to @Papusan for suggestion.

Edit: I have scrapped this idea and version locked the above provided ISO because for obvious reasons, Windows does NOT honor registry and group policy settings while upgrading to a newer build and downloads all the default garbage bloatware again as you move onto the new build. This makes it kind of pointless to debloat as you have to do it all over again. A more feasible solution seems like having individual version ISOs available that are all version locked i.e., Windows cannot push a major build upgrade on your machine unless you allow it to. Adding more version ISOs in the thread. Already added v2004 and will shortly add v1511.

 

Is there a way to allow and disable windows store? i.e. for system relevant programms like atlas sound?

 

It can be done easily, but will require me to compile a user specific build that will only be for you.

 

You could also just use Equalizer AIO and Peace for an open source solution. They're pretty good.

 

Nothing compares to compiling the base image with packages of choice before windows is installed. Once installed, it is a huge rat's nest to mess with even with the best tools.

 

I can confirm the hyper x ran at 3200 out of the box with stock bios before I updated to Prema.

 

It depends on the game. Some games (like those in the Battlefield series, Fallout series, etc.) can benefit greatly. These will usually be CPU intensive games. Others, not so much. Whether it's worth it or not depends on the games you play.

One thing to note though, you should ALWAYS have 2 sticks of RAM so you can run your memory in dual channel mode. This greatly improves performance in a lot of applications, including games.

 

It also tends to help in high refresh rate 1080p titles and with minimum frame rates.

 

Metabox doesn't advertise that their product will include the Prema BIOS, yet in my communications with them via email, they stated the BIOS would be available and they would be able to install it when they had access to it, and they were just waiting to "hear back on their end" about it, which indicates something has gone wrong, if @Mr.Fox advises that Prema is waiting for a response from Metabox.

 

LOL...Just as i posted the above, I received another response from Metabox.

Apparently, they will not be providing the Prema BIOS at all in any capacity.

Guess i'm stuck with a good laptop which will never be as great as it otherwise could be :'(

To confirm for those that haven't been following: Metabox in Australia DOES NOT provide the Prema BIOS and will not, so I definitely recommend splurging that bit extra and paying for delivery and getting your device from somewhere like zTecpc instead - it's well worth the extra $.

...I wish i'd known the Prema BIOS wouldn't be available when I ordered with Metabox, otherwise I would have bought the laptop elsewhere.

 

The thing is, with a fixed budget, higher clocked RAM appears to me the purchase with the smallest ROI in terms of fps, compared to a faster GPU or CPU. Of course when I bought my P775TM RAM prices were very high.

Running dual channel RAM since my first Athlon ;-)

 

Yeah that is a real bummer. If they are not offering it then we should stop telling people they are @Prema partners because apparently they are not anymore.

 

Only trust what @Prema listed before until new update i guess

 

That's a shame

 

Yes, very much so. I wish I knew the reason. Maybe they sold the company or something. I just hope the person in charge of things didn't get sick and die or something terrible like that. Considering the email exchanges with @Damnacious that occurred prior to purchase indicated it was forthcoming, it is a very strange and unexpected change in status, and apparently nothing anyone is personally aware of (including Brother @Prema).

 

You do always hope it's not a personal reason like that.

 

So... I got two 32 GB RAM sticks and I went to put them in to add to the existing RAM but...where? It looks like there are only two slots for sticks! How are people getting 128 GB with only two slots??

 

With the Prema bios being in such high demand I would suggest that a list of offical Prema partners is made a sticky somewhere. The situation is rather unfortunate for people like @Damnacious who buy in the wrong place but also for @Prema himself who can not always be available everywhere answering which companies currently have his bios available.

Such a sticky could be a simple post to be updated regularly but at the latest when the status quo is changed so that people do not act on outdated information. These are very expensive laptops and it would prevent people from spending money in the wrong places if they are looking for a laptop with the Prema bios.

Not sure if this would be against forum rules but the way I see it the Prema bios gets discussed a lot anyway so there may be less discussions and not more if there was a sticky somewhere, maybe in one of the existing threads?

 

It's below the keyboard. I think in the X170 it is only two screws and then you can push the keyboard upwards with something that is long and slim enough to go in there in order to push up the keyboard that should be held in place by magnets. At least this is what I remember from the last time when I added an m2 SSD to my P870DM There used to be service manuals readily available for the big Clevo machines so probably best to get one of those.

 

Thats contradicting since only prema knows whos partner.

 

Ok got it! Thanks. Now I just have to figure out how to do a RAM stress test in Ubuntu.

 

I do not think that @Prema would want to keep the names of his partners a secret.

 

It's just complex and can change.

 

As promised, just posted the review for my zTecpc X170.

Tell me what you guys think
https://douglaslagos.com/monster-17-inch-clevo-x170sm-g-gaming-laptop-review/

 

I'll bet @Meaker@Sager will be please with you calling it a Sager laptop.

It is a zTecpc zT-X170SM-G-8. Sager, while friendly, is our competitor

Great review though...very nice work

 

Indeed clevo is the odm and sager like many is a reseller. Some typos but overall interesting write up.

 

Oops .

Thanks, I believed otherwise. Glad you sorted it out for me. I’ll clean it up.

 

If it wasn't complex and changing we would not need to keep track

 

It is not complex. It could change when:

• A new vendor is added, which generally makes everyone happy (having more options is a good thing)
• A vendor is removed due to adverse behavior that violates the agreement, which should make customers happy (nobody should want to support sketchy vendors)
• A vendor disconnects, stops communicating or goes out of business, which is pleasing to no one (caveat emptor)

 

That was half tongue in cheek, indeed I think it would be pretty straightforward if one would just list active vendors and make sure to revisit regularly.

It would be nice if there was one line that would say something like up to date as of 10th of March 2021 and I would suggest to revisit that line at least once every one or two weeks. That will show that the list is up to date even when the list of dealers does not change.

 

Has anyone heard of a higher wattage rtx 3080 mobile than 150 watt . ?
It’s kind of sad that we would go from a 200 watt 2080 s to a 150 watt 3080 . I thought each year things were supposed to get mor powerful and take mor juice . Lol
The clevo x170m-sm can already handle 200 watt gpu . Why go backwards .

I’m guessing nvidia is to blame.
If that’s the case . I just have to say that nvidia sucks. They make and can make awesome video cards but there catering to the the thin and light laptops which can’t handle $hit for thermals.
The clevo x170-sm g can handle 200 watts easy and then some . Laptop gpus are gimped for turdbooks .Lol compared to what they can be.

 

Thank you all for contributing.

I used to believe that Sager designed the Clevos, and that all resellers bought from Sager.

I’ve made changes to the post. Hope I got all the details right on my post https://douglaslagos.com/monster-17-inch-clevo-x170sm-g-gaming-laptop-review/

 

Nice job on the review. Looks great.

@Colorme I added a comment on your review. When entering the text the font displays as all caps, but after submitting it changes to lower case in a different font, so I apologize for the improper capitalization. (I didn't know the font would change and make me look like an idiot, LOL. I don't see a way to edit the post awaiting moderation.)

 

The top power rating is 150W+ take of that what you will.

 

150W in real-world gaming when the CPU is actually loaded, as opposed to synthetic GPU tests.

 

There can be other power management stuff going on, best check the reviews when it comes out for every machine

 

One of the problems is that the architecture of the 3080 mobile chip is such that going to 200W will not reap the rewards we would like to see. Nvidia gimped that mobile 3080 chipset and no matter how many watts you throw at it the performance will just not be in the same league as the desktop chip.

Luckily I am more interested in a quiet and cool running modular DTR than in maximum performance but if I was I would be disappointed, too.

 

The desktop 3080 can be undervolted quite a bit, which massively cuts down on power consumption, and you don't even loose that much performance by reducing the power draw from 320 watts to 200 watts (it's less than a 10% loss). I don't know why Nvidia didn't just take this approach when supplying laptop 3080 GPUs.

 

Not the same chip.
Desktop 3080 based on GA102. Mobile chip based on GA104.
So anyway you put it, the mobile rtx 3080 is closer to 3070 in performance (no matter how many W you throw at it) than to desktop 3080.

 

There is not enough space on the PCB for a 320-bit memory bus and 10 GDDR6X chips.

 

We can always go back to building bigger laptops to make room for those larger PCBs...
We used to have those big 18+" SLI laptops from Acer, Alienware, Asus, Clevo and MSI and then everything went downhill, slim and small.

Being able to put a 3080TI or 3090 in a laptop would be a very valid reason to bring back the bigger chassis.

 

Why would they give you the possibility to keep a laptop for at least 5 years, when the plan is to buy one at every 2 years or so....

 

You mean the concept of offering a good modular product is completely overrated and I must be a lunatic to believe that companies might consider something like that?

 

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