*** Official Sager NP8150/Clevo P150HM Owners Lounge ***

The 570m isn't released or benchmarked anywhere yet, but it looks like it's going to close the gap on the 485m. It may only be 5-10% slower than the 485m in the end, though it will take time to find out. It is supposed to be a 75w TDP part, which means it will draw a bit less power than the 485m at 100w (though equal to the 560m). However, this probably won't amount to more than a few minutes of battery life since you won't be running them anywhere near full load on battery due to downclocking.

If Clevo decides to adopt the 570m (as they did the 470m) then there's a good chance it will be available. Because it uses the same MXM slot and the same TDP as the 560m, they may very well decide to use it.

 

You might as well just pay the extra to get the 6990m.

 

If (and I mean IF) Clevo adopts the 570M, it would probably drop in at the price point currently held by the 485M.

So you'd have no real reason to choose the 570M, when it's ~20% slower than the 6990M, for the same premium.

 

So Both 570m and 485m in idle (power saver mode) won't make much of a difference in battery life?

I was considering the 6990m, but it has a higher power consumption and alot of people are complaining about temperature and heating- So I'm not sure, especially since I live in Australia and it gets quite hot here.

I know the NP8150 comes with 180w PSU, does the 683GT come with a 180w or 120w PSU?

I've also read about people complaining about the audio quality of the Sager, I don't mind about the speakers that much since I have a set of external speakers, but what about the headphone jack?

 

I think I can answer some of thoughs.

-The 6990M runs fine for me, I think a lot of people were just over reacting. My temperatures are fine (even though it's quite cool where I live) and it runs great. From benchmarks I've ran the 6990M is also on par with the 580M even though some people says it's 8% slower because of notebook check.

-I've never used a audio jack on a laptop before until I got my laptop. So far I think it's really good but I guess I could be kind of bias on this.

-As for battery life, I don't really ever use my laptop much without plugging it in. I think without trying to much you can get about 2h 30min of battery life with the 6990M. If I did a ton of tweaking I think I could get just over 3 hours but not much more. 3h or maybe 3h and 30 min is the best I'd expect from these machines with any of the GPU's

 

According to Notebookcheck.net, the 3dmark Vantage score of the 485m is about 8% higher than that of the 570m.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

It's Vantage GPU is showing between 10.5k and the low 11k, putting it about 10% slower than the 485M.

 

few question i see a sim card slot on my NP8150 can i put 4g or 3g network on it? and can i use NP8130 power supply use as a charger when is pc is not on?

 

Any ideas when the new models of these come out? I'm assuming next summerish? I'm really thinking about waiting until they come out w/ a lighted keyboard (hopefully just a light white), HD webcam, some of the small things I still want in a laptop. The MSI just has way too much going on w/ it. Not a fan of the bulky look or the orange lights. I want the Sager, just a lot of things about some other laptops I like.

 

It'll be awhile when the lighted keys are out for Clevos. Probably in the next year, 2 years. Computex 2011 shows Clevo engineering samples having lighted keys. Not sure if they'll be implemented though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMkFy2pHfiE

 

Hmm, I am not seeing any range of scores given for the 570m. According to the one benchmark, the resulting score was a 11330. The 485m scores about 12150... [according to notebookcheck.net]

 

A reseller in the MSI forum ran Vantage, and got a GPU score around 10.5k.

I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT: here it is. 10,122 GPU. My memory had it as higher than that. The score makes sense, as it's just a 470M with more shaders unlocked, and a tiny clock rate bump.

 

Have anyone tried the infrared receiver in the front? Can I use this with a universal control ?

 

I just joined the club with an order from Xotic PC. Hopefully it doesn't take as to ship as it did for the early 6990M adopters.

edit: Changed my order after malibal offered me one heck of a deal.

 

Ordered mine as well

 

Anyone else think it's funny that on Monday there was a $100 off, the day after, the coupon is gone but there is only a $50 price difference?

 

Welcome You're going to love it.

Sounds good You did your research very well.

Mr. Mysterious

 

Yes deals and prices change regularly. There are some very good deals, why not check a reseller and see...
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Many think before one more year is up...maybe 6-8 months....maybe..
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Is that the time frame when the Ivy processors should come out? Don't know anything about them... Since you've seen the models come and go... would you expect the prices to be around what the current ones are now? I suppose I'll change my mind on the current NP8150 and wait it out. I've had this current laptop for 4 years...what's another 6 months...

 

There is no guarantee that a new line of machines will come out in 6 months. However it is reasonable to think this in this never ending tech world we live in.
That being said, the NP8150 will be a REAL contender for some time to come.
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Not only that, but ivy bridge and such is FIRST gen tech. Which, imo, is never perfect

Mr. Mysterious

 

Yeah, I don't expect a major chassis change, if any, for Ivy Bridge. The 150HM is really a big step forward from the previous model, especially in terms of battery life.

Intel hasn't had a hardware bug since the old pentium bug... errrr B2 stepping of Sandy Bridge

Seriously though, Intel's 22nm has huge potential for performance gains. Those processors are going to crush.

 

i have a question. with new cpu 2x60qm , it has unlocked-clock(i mean can overclocked). but with hm65 in 8150, we still can't overclock these new cpus, right?

 

That is correct. The HM65 does not allow overclocking. Only the HM67 in the P170HM and up and let you overclock the CPU's that are capable.

 

Are you saying all of them are unlocked, or is it just as usual, with the XM model being the only one?

 

I'd be surprised if Intel would ever do that..

Doesn't sound like Intel would do such things like unlock the QM's

 

As usual it's still just the XM parts that can be overclocked (the 2920XM and 2960XM). It'd be great if Intel allowed all to be overclocked though

 

Besides the free shipping and cash discount that's offered?

 

Have anyone updated to BIOS 1.14 ? What are the changes?

 

In a word...YES! Just PM your exact configuration to me and then the latest deal will be sent back to you.
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Yup, Larry's the hiding guru here that gives the best prices..

I myself got unbelievable prices!

 

I know about the temperatures of the 6990m that this topic has often been chewed through but do you think that these temps seems about right? I just have repasted with MX-4 cause with stock paste i quitted Furmark with about 103 °C which is darn hot.

ambient temps are about 26-28 °C

 

If those are your load temps, they look good. You're hitting right around where it would be expected

If you go above 90-95C again, that's the only time you'd have to worry. Mid 80's are normal for the 6990.

 

ok good will log them while i'm playing cause i had a 6970m before which was very hot but changed it to a 6990m so i was just curious.

nontheless

big thx malibal #2 for quick answer

 

So out of curiosity... for all of you that recently bought this laptop. Why did you choose it over the others, for example the GT683DX? I was thinking Sager all along but now I'm thinking about the others. For what it's worth. I would be going w/ the 6990, the 4x SODIMM 8gb (-$50), and the 500gb Seagate XT Hybrid drive on the Sager.

 

GT sounds like MSI, right?

MSI is also good, to be honest, but I would only choose them if there price points really beat those of the Sager.

Having used GT640, GX640, and the barebones MSI, I would say the build quality and the cooling is on another level for the Sager - and at this price point for the P150HM, I wouldn't budge for another laptop.

 

You basically buy a sager for the upgradability, customizability, build quality, price and sales service you get from resellers

 

Yup, that's why I went with the 150hm.

 

Good to know about the top notch build quality. The upgradability is certainly something I want. I'd most likely be keeping my current laptop right now if I could just upgrade the graphics in it. And yeah the GT683dx is a MSI, meant to add that, sorry.

 

if upgradeability is a priority for you then the only 2 real choices are a sager/clevo or an alienware. personally though, the look and pricing of aw's are not to my liking.

 

Working with Clevo's and Sager's since 1996, I must say they are the most upgradable, the easiest for users to work on, than any other brand out there!
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Does the 8150 support Sata III speeds or just Sata II?

 

SATA III 6.0GB/s

 

But only in the first slot. The ODD slot is SATA II.

 

The primary hard drive will support SATA III, but if you also put a hard drive in the ODD Bay, it will only support SATA II.

All Sandy Bridge laptops (using the HM65 or HM67 chipset) will support SATA III in SATA ports 0 & 1, and will only support SATA II in ports 2 through 5.

 

I really want to order now, but I really want to wait for the Ivy Bridge Wish I could just get a 6 month loan on a laptop, haha

 

Is there a specific Ivybridge technology you're looking for like ssd caching?
Or do you just want the latest and greatest?
My suggestion is if you're waiting for a particular feature then wait. However if you just want she newest tech, get the laptop now. It's really a fruitless endeavour chasing technology

 

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So in this post from the Alienware forum...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/600465-6990m-undervolt-achieved.html

...there was an apparant successful undervolt of the 6990m using some bios modifications. Is this something that could be duplicated on the P150HM/NP8150 to reduce power consumption? It seems to have no performance impact if done carefully to achieve stability. Also, I can't imagine the re-sellers would actively campaign against it as you can't damage the hardware doing it like overvolting/OCing.

I've been investigating this model of laptop for several weeks and this is one of the few things I have not been able to find details on anywhere.

Thanks!