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    *** Official Sager NP9175 / Clevo P775TM Owner's Lounge! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    All good, bruh. i7-8086K run stock 4.3GHz all 6 cores and 5.0GHz for single core. The EUROCOM overclock (5.3GHz). Doesn't work :) This is Info out to the people. Of course it should be posted in the thread. Aka not.. Off topic.
     
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  2. Fire Tiger

    Fire Tiger Notebook Deity

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    I'll be reaching out to you for advice when I eventually buy mine brother ;)
     
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  3. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    It is because it is not holding 5.3GHz. It is throttling because the cancer code placed by the manufacturer has not been removed. Exposing hidden menus will not rectify that situation. Power limits are embedded in multiple places and setting higher limits in the menus doesn't actually override the cancer code. It may also be thermal throttling, which will further exacerbate the situation. These conditions affect BGA filth in the same way, but the cancer code has to be more aggressive to accommodate the lackluster thermal management capacity, or lack thereof, of thin and light turdbooks.
     
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  4. Meaker@Sager

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    Well it's trying to put a sane limit for the average user, who has not hand tweaked the cooling, is monitoring the power and generally does not know what they are doing.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    And compensate for poor product engineering. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the notebook industry standard of managing things based on society's lowest common denominators. It might be less unforgivable if they did not make it extremely difficult, or almost impossible, for those that do know what they are doing to fix their broken messes.
     
  6. m4gg0t

    m4gg0t Notebook Evangelist

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    Update: My system at HIDevolution has gone through testing and all seems well. Hopefully it's shipped out today so i can have it back next week. Can't wait, it's like receiving a present again!
     
  7. m4gg0t

    m4gg0t Notebook Evangelist

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    Update: system is on her way home to me! I can't wait! So tired of playing on this crappy old 980M.
     
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  8. GMLP

    GMLP Notebook Consultant

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    Got my BIOS remotely updated to latest version last night by @Zoltan@HIDevolution. No more dead Wifi after wake from sleep.

    @Donald@HIDevolution please send my thanks to Zoltan. Cheers.
     
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    shengna Notebook Consultant

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    What’s the latest Prema BIOS version for this model?
     
  10. shengna

    shengna Notebook Consultant

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    I thought eurocom uses prema bios. So only hidevolution in US uses prema bios?
     
  11. Judicator

    Judicator Judged and found wanting.

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    Eurocom used to use a Prema BIOS, but they had a falling out and Eurocom is no longer a Prema partner. XoticPC also uses a Prema BIOS on a few models, but you're best off checking Prema's list at https://premamod.com/

    Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk
     
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    HID, LPC Digital, and Xotic PC (G77 Raven only).
     
  13. Donald@Paladin44

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    I love it when a plan comes together!

    Since you tagged him, @Zoltan@HIDevolution will see your thanks.

    We need to pass our thanks on to @Prema as well...THANK YOU PREMA!

    GAME ON!
     
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    I do not use sleep mode on my laptop, and I do not notice this problem. Anyway, Prema is the best.)
     
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    So I was right all along that it was a BIOS thing.
     
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    Wake from sleep issues usually are.
     
  18. m4gg0t

    m4gg0t Notebook Evangelist

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    So i got my laptop back and everything seems to be working well. Though, I noticed scratches on the chassis around the keyboard area, I sent the system back in mint conditions :(. New panel looks good on desktop and in games, but on a pure black screen there's backlight bleed.

    Other then that thanks to @Donald@HIDevolution and @Zoltan@HIDevolution for getting me up and running again

    Anyone with the same panel can you take some pics on a black background in a dark room.
     
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  19. Z3us_PL

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    1. i've got IPS 75hz FHD panel and it has backlight bleed too :/

    2. I think about buying heatsink for m2 ssd. There is not much space there but if anyone already use some heat sink on P775TM? Which will be the best and will fit?
     
  20. m4gg0t

    m4gg0t Notebook Evangelist

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    Mines the new 144hz 1080p one.
     
  21. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    What temps are you getting on the M.2 @Z3us_PL ?
     
  22. paul_cgn

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    I just ordered a Clevo p775tm1-g barebone. It comes with a gtx1070 and wifi module, otherwise it's up to me to equip it (cpu, ram, ssd). Does anybody here know if there will be a bios update to support the upcoming i9-9900K? In that case I would now just live with a cheap i5-8400 and upgrade later as the 8 core cpu becomes available.
    Any info regarding this kindly appreciated!
    Cheers,
    Paul
     
  23. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Nothing official to say yet.
     
  24. m4gg0t

    m4gg0t Notebook Evangelist

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    Most mobo manufacturers are updating their bios to support 9th series, so maybe. Even then 6 cores are already a problem to cool for this system. Like playing BF1 all cores hit 99C
     
  25. paul_cgn

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    Temps shouldn't be too much of a problem for me...I bought this notebook specifically for video post-production from my RV, where I live during the winter traveling from ski resort to ski resort. Sometimes I will haul it to remote mountain huts if I plan a longer stay there and if there is sufficient power supply. Temperatures in these places are usually not much above freezing ;-) and sometimes well below that.
     
  26. Fire Tiger

    Fire Tiger Notebook Deity

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    Random question owners - Does anyone have a picture of the bottom tray for the P775TM? Are there plenty of vents for a laptop cooler or would it need modded to get the best from a cooler?
     
  27. ThatOldGuy

    ThatOldGuy Notebook Virtuoso

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    I'm surprised many so boutiques have no pics of the bottom. This one courtesy of Eurocom.
    [​IMG]
     
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  28. MLer

    MLer Notebook Enthusiast

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    The post above is pretty representative. I would say that the bottom vents are sufficient for cooling. I would suggest that just lifting up the back end would be enough. I have mine flat on a table and the temperatures are generally fine with a delidded 8700K CPU.
     
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  29. m4gg0t

    m4gg0t Notebook Evangelist

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    What are your temps? Is your CPU overclocked? Mine runs at 4.7ghz all cores and it hits 99C in BF1.
     
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    Mine runs at 4.3ghz all cores and it hits 82C maxed out. I can't test in games as I use Linux and don't play games. Unfortunately any faster than 4.3ghz I get power throttling and changing the limits in my Bios doesn't seem to do anything. I can't imagine hitting 99C at 4.7ghz, did you have the fans on max? Maybe it's an outcome of running both the CPU and GPU? Since you got yours from Hidevolution I would assume that the temps at 4.7ghz should be under 90C as according to their website they can set this clock speed for you out of the box.
     
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    Z3us_PL Notebook Consultant

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    They hitting 60-70 degrees Celsius.
     
  32. Z3us_PL

    Z3us_PL Notebook Consultant

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    They hitting 60-70 degrees Celsius
    Is it B173HAN03.0?
     
  33. Fire Tiger

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    Thanks a lot for this
     
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    Nothing to worry about then.
     
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    Z3us_PL Notebook Consultant

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    I've read that 70 degrees can affect SSD performance. Is it not?
     
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    What SSD exactly?
     
  37. Z3us_PL

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    WD Black 1TB SSD M.2 NVMe
     
  38. paul_cgn

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    Hello,
    does anybody know how to safely remove the keyboard to gain access to ram slots 1 and 2? I just don't want to break something.
     
  39. m4gg0t

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    I thinks mines the 3.1 version, but yes that's the panel.
     
  40. m4gg0t

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    Yea I've been having this since i got the system even after shipping it back to them and getting my dead cpu replaced, im still having it. I guess i need to downclock to 4.5ghz or undervolt more. Because 99C is scary especially it died the first time and my first dead cpu ever.
     
  41. MLer

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    Yes. After you have taken off the back panel of the laptop, there are two screw holes that lead to the keyboard. I can't remember exactly if there were screws in the holes or not, but if there are, take them out. One of the holes is more towards the center of the laptop, and the other one is more towards the side. What I did, was to have the laptop screen opened, then put the laptop on its side standing up. Then I took a small screwdriver that fits into the hole, and poked in at the hole that is towards the (left or right) side of the laptop. Note that only that hole works (I think), you shouldn't poke at the hole towards the center. The first time is a bit difficult because you don't know how much force to use, but the keyboard is held in with magnets so you have to poke strong enough to break off the magnetic force, but once you've done that the rest is straighforward. Be careful not to use too much force or use a screwdriver that's too thin as it could break through the keyboard. After I did it the first time, it was very easy to do it again and again.
     
  42. MLer

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    It's probably worth checking temps at incremental speeds from 4.3ghz up to 4.7ghz in BF1 along with frame rates. If you're hitting 99C wouldn't it be possible that you're thermal throttling as well so what you think is 4.7ghz may not actually be that? It could also be good to run some CPU-only tests. I think 99C is very possible if both CPU and GPU are on max, but if you're running CPU alone at 4.7ghz I would expect it to stay under 90C with max fans.
     
  43. m4gg0t

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    Strange though, I was just testing battlefront 2 and temps don't get higher then 84C but BF1 just seems to tax the system more?
     
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    MLer, are you also running a GTX-1080? I recall in an earlier post in this thread that the P775 chassis had a difficult time keeping both an over locked 8700K and GTX 1080 adequately cool, despite having separate heat sinks (not unified). Is the reason you are seeing such high temps because the 1080 is taking available thermal head room from the CPU? Does leaving the CPU at stock leave sufficient head room for the GPU?

    Reason why I am asking is I’m debating (with myself!) that the P775 is better thermally optimized using a GTX 1070 in conjunction with an overclocked 8700K. Or, is the P775 thermal capcacity adequate if one undervolts the GTX 1080.
     
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    Separate heatsinks will mean the two won't really interfere with each other unless the laptop is placed oddly.
     
  46. Papusan

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    I expect you could put in the Unified heatsink for the Kaby lake models if you went with 1070.
     
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    A unified heatsink will help with unbalanced loads and idle temperatures.
     
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    Should help if you run only heavy Cpu tasks as well. Not sure how it would work with 1080 in games.
     
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    I also have a GTX-1080, but my reported CPU temps are based on running CPU only. I don't have any software that runs both CPU and GPU hard at the same time. However, just running the GPU alone I'm getting 90C for the GPU and that's pretty high. If I was playing games (which I don't), I would go for either a GTX 1070 or the P870.
     
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    What do you use the GTX 1080 for if not for games?
     
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