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At stock? That seems really high. My stock is 1.22V in CPU-Z stress, although my 8600K is 4.1GHz all-core boost instead of your 4.3.

 

That seems too high.

 

You lost silicon lottery

 

Yep seems like i did.

 

That depends on the offset you can run at to be fair.

 

Hello everyone!

How high your PCH temp gets and at what room temp?

Recently done a PCH cooling mod in my P751DM2 (will post some pictures on the thread), and now I have max 60C (26C room temp) in file transfer, but forgot to measure it right before the mod...

 

So long as it's not getting towards thermal shutdown you are fine, it's not actually kicking out a lot of power so poses no threat to the board warping.

 

My i5 8600K has limit -120mV at 4.3Ghz all cores.

 

Pretty normal from what I remember.

 

My previous i7 6700K in P775DM1 was going on -185mV 4,2Ghz all cores and was much cooler.

 

That's the lottery for you and the i7 is better binned usually.

 

Greetings, all!

I am considering the purchase of a P775TM-G. However, every seller seems to only have two display options: a 17.3" 1980, 144Hz, Wide View Angle 72% NTSC Matte Display or a 17.3" 3840, QFHD Matte Display. Due to some scaling issues with Windows and higher resolution displays, I want to stick with a 1980 display, but a 72% NTSC score doesn't excite me. I've seen some displays with a 94% NTSC available for other Clevo models, but I haven't found a reseller providing that display as an option for a P775TM-G.

Any suggestions?

 

What do you need the colour accuracy and range for? You wont notice it for gaming for instance.

 

I develop software for a living. It's useful to have reasonable colour accuracy. Any suggestions?

 

Talk to reseller sales team directly if they offer the 94% in the same size I another model, they may be able to do something. If it's a 15 inch panel, not much can be done.

 

I am seeing that panel for the PA71ES. Perhaps there is something that can be done. I will try contacting a few sellers and see if anyone can work with me.

 

Sounds like a plan to me

 

"Next generation NVIDIA MXM3 GPUs are coming to Eurocom line of Sky "C" series GPU and CPU upgradeable supercomputer laptops in early 2019."
https://twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/1038925550109306881
Great news!

 

Take what they say with a pinch of salt usually.

 

del

 

I've asked this question a number of times in similar threads. But, there is still much for me to learn about LGA laptops. I found a couple of links:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3751085/clevo-laptop-cpu-upgrade.html

"You can't assume that a CPU must be compatible just because the socket type is the same - - - some newer CPU models require a BIOS update but if the laptop or motherboard manufacturer (laptop manufacturer in your case) hasn't released the necessary BIOS update then you cannot use that CPU."

And:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-core-i9-z370-support

"It now seems certain that Intel’s 8-core Coffee Lake i9 will be backwards compatible with existing Z370 motherboards. MSI was busy last week delivering updated BIOS files for its current high-end boards in order to ready them for the Intel Coffee Lake refresh, and Asus has also dropped a host of new BIOS updates too."

I'm currently studying the Clevo BIOS thread as well as the P870DM-G gets an 8700K and GTX 1080 upgrade thread.

Who controls the BIOS for these machines? Clevo as the OEM? Resellers such as HID Evolution which offer Prema Modded BIOS? Who pushes out updates if new features become available?

I really doubt I would upgrade my GPU card unless it outright died in the four years or so I intend to keep the computer. If I had bought the machine last year with an 8700K and wanted to upgrade to a 9900K, would the existing BIOS (assumed frozen and under my configuration management) need to be updated? Who provides that update? Would I call Hid or Eurocom and ask for a BIOS update as one of their customers? Is the configuration of the laptop motherboards frozen for the life of that laptop, excluding like-for-like component replacements.

Sometimes it's hard to converge on the questions I struggle to answer for myself. I apologize in advance if this has been discussed. NBR has tons of info buried in the multitude of threads.

 

I have posted this info at least a couple of places. Read... Systems bought from...

 

I am adding Prema to my twitter feed!!! That is one nugget of information I would hate to have missed due to ignorance. Seen a multitude of discussions on the CPU itself. Thank you @Papusan!!!!

 

You're welcome, sir!

 

Doubt P775TM1-G can keel a 9900k cooled.

 

I am pretty sure it can keep it cool. Especially it utilizes less power on overall tasks. Its its maxed out well its using soldered now so it should help and with lm an a good paste it should be sufficient with the normal overclock undervolt considering it uses the same voltage anyhow I dont see it making a ton more heat. It's all gonna be in the overclock some setting might need some small tweaking to get a higher overclock and even if you could only get 4.9ghz oc it's still better then the 4.8ghz oc plus 2 more cores.

 

It will react similarly to the liquid metal delid, just be about 1C or so hotter than the best liquid metal jobs out there.

 

For this beast, I’m envisioning prioritizing the CPU heat load 9900K, and less on the GPU (1070). If I really need the 1080, I’d go with the P870. Not that hard of a struggle if I also plan on getting a desktop.

 

The P870TMx has a better CPU heatsink as well.

 

We are ready for i9-9900K and i7-9700K, now testing 8C/16T BIOS to verify proper operation and thermals. All of our Sky "C" series models would support both of these CPUs.

[links to own site removed by moderator - read forum rules]

Please note that if you plan to use new 8C/16T 9th gen CPU, you would need to update to 8C/16T BIOS with the older CPU (i.e. 8700K) first, then after successful BIOS update, change the CPU to 9th gen, otherwise the system won't POST.
We expect to formally launch 9xxx series CPUs in late October, for pre orders you can check with our Sales Team

 

This is what happens when you are learning to ride a bike without training wheels! WRT my future upgrade needs with my yet-to-be-acquired desktop, I would download the motherboard's BIOS from the manufacturer (probably ASUS) to update my board to the upcoming CPU (assuming I was on 8700K and was going to 9900K). Once flashed, I turn off the power and replace the CPU.

@Eurocom Support's post today for their laptops makes a similar statement. Update the existing BIOS with the latest compatible with the new CPU; then replace.

For the Clevo models discussed in the Mighty Clevo thread, this process is not pursued. Custom modding of firmware not otherwise publicly available, along with physical hardware mods appear to confirm my earlier concern that these laptops, although highly customize-able and highly performance-oriented cannot be similarly upgraded as can their desktop cousins. I also noticed in the Mighty Clevo thread a large number of posters who still have their machines at 6700K. Performance-wise, not a whole lot of reason to swap the chip out unless benchmarking.

But, am I seeing this right? Laptops, LGA and BGA, are meant to be thrown away when they no longer can keep up with the new performance-standards? Should we have an expectation that we can breathe new life into these machines merely because they are LGA?

Again, I am learning here. My decision to get a P870 has not wavered. Nor, my realization that I also need a sexy desktop with lots of bling. Just really curious how to interpret the variety of information being presented.

 

Yes. Laptops are somewhat limited in what you can do. With BGA type laptops, you are stuck as the CPU and motherboard are soldered together.

With LGA, it *may* be upgradable, but it depends on what laptop you have (Clevo) and what reseller you purchased from (Prema-Partner). However, even with Clevo based laptops, not all of them are alike. And as you can see, some of the Clevo models will be made upgradable to the i9-9900K CPU. See this post (kudos @Papusan) with a tweet of some news- http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.809621/page-158#post-10794236.

Also, I see that Eurocom also has made plans for upgrading some of their models to the i9-9900K.

But I think you may have already seen those posts.

Getting back to your question at hand, I wouldn't say that the LGA models are meant to be thrown away because of performance reasons, but there is a physical limit on how much power and heat a system has been designed to handle. After you reach a certain point, adding new components to an old system will cause a lot of stress. The old lappy just can't bear the new load, and a model refresh with redesigned power limits and cooling systems would most likely be required.

 

Thank you for the reply @jclausius! You've given me more to ponder. With the socketed CPU and a compatible Z370 chipset, I would think I should be able to replace the CPU with the next generation provided I still have adequate cooling capacity, and the motherboard's BIOS has been updated.

For the sake of argument, assume that the P775 has sufficient thermal headroom to support a 9700K/9900K. I would still need to make sure my current BIOS is compatible. In an earlier post, @Papusan posted a tweet from Prema that stated that the existing BIOS is compatible. I should, therefore, be able to get the new chip and install.

My question is, "Who owns the BIOS? Who is responsible for maintaining the BIOS?" I can go to a desktop motherboard OEM and download the latest BIOS update. I can go to Dell's website and find the latest Alienware BIOS update. I can go to RJTech and download the latest Clevo BIOS update. I can go to Eurocom and fill out a service request form to get assistance. I assume that means Eurocom would provide the necessary updated BIOS upon request.

Not so clear who to go with regards to the Prema BIOS. Not like there is a specific site I can go to download the latest and greatest version. Is support for the BIOS, therefore, expected to be captured by the extended warranty I could get from the reseller? The Prema Partner reseller clearly has a business relationship with Prema who is supplying the modified BIOS. But, that relationship doesn't seem to extend to the customer. Not like I can contact Prema directly and get the updated BIOS I might need to support an upgrade. Does Prema push out BIOS updates to existing customers? To the resellers? He certainly tests the updates and lets the community know regarding compatibility. Not an issue with the transition from 8th to 9th gen CPUs. But 10th?

 

Everything is well explained in the earlier post I posted. Bought from an @Prema partner shop... Make a call or send an email where you bought it. The Prema partners will remote flash new firmware if there is new. It’s an mod bios hence the partner shops will do the job. This is not the same as the stock “crippled” firmware Clevo offer their partners as OEM. Or resellers/vendors.

 

It's always the resellers job to supply firmware as needed.

 

Are these updates considered warranty updates or part of the lifetime technical support. For example, I have a three year extended warranty and lifetime technical support. In 4 years, I decided to upgrade to the next CPU upgrade still compatIble with my chipset and cooling. Are the resellers still willing to provide this update upon request?

In a way, it seems disconcerting paying as much for one of these laptops to still not be in total control.

 

Guys, I have to format my P775TM1 please can you please indicate a site to download the latest drivers?

Thanks so much

 

Saw this post just now in another thread:

So upgrading new CPUs compatible with the motherboard depends upon whom you know, and not whether the availability of such software is available from the OEM/reseller while the product is not EOL. Do we really know how long the BIOS and non-OS related software will be maintained current? Are these laptops essentially end of life as soon as you buy them?

Apple, in no shape or fashion, can meet my needs. But, they at least provide an air of assurance that the device will be considered current for five years, and obsoleted at the end of seven. Where is the transparency? For a comparable cost to the P775/P870/X9C laptops, the Apple customer at least knows where they stand in regards to how long they can keep the device at full performance level. With the P775/P870/X9C, I have to hope I can be in someone's inner circle?

 

@GrandesBollas

If you bought your Clevo PxxxTMx system from EVOC, then it has already been CFL-refresh (i9/8-core) ready since the revision 2.5 released in early August:

https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1027170503562330113

Which means the chips are already Plug'n'Play...


As for older systems:

Spoiler

After extensive testing on all older DM/DM3 & KM1 models early this year, we decided it would be irresponsible to release a 8/9th-gen PremaMod due to the cost-benefit factor:

- legal/obligational reasons
- Severe risk of hardware damages due to socket changes if chips are plugged raw (no Plug'n'Play support)
- Lack of cooling capacity if combined with a no-throttle firmware and almost no performance gain without it
- No support for Intel ME security patches (update = brick)

 

My GTX 1080, while playing, rebooted my notebook out o nothing, and then I get error code 43, with the “exclamation point” on it in the “device manager”, I DDU it and tried to install older and newer drivers and nothing, same code error..then i installed Windows again, and this is the result:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xiafhy1e2znv3r4/Video RMA Placa Grafica .mp4?dl=0
I tried to find the BIOS battery, but I can’t find it.....
Guess I need an RMA right?......
Is this a commun problem in these notebooks? I ask this cause in page 180 of this forum, people report this problem

 

Updates are not guaranteed to cover future hardware but the chances are pretty good if the hardware is fully supported. Cooling etc has to be taken into account.

 

So in simpler words, Is P775TM-G/P775TM1-G compatible with 9th Generation Core i5/i7/i9 ?

 

At the hardware level: yes. At the software level: not without a BIOS update.

 

According to some reports, the official update of the BIOS is already around the corner. Including increased power limit and support for the 9th generation.

 

And what about compatibility with new nvidia 2070/2080?

 

Uncertain.

 

Huh, As always. :/

 

Don't think laptops are getting the 2080.

 

I will sell my Clevo gtx 1060, if anyone was interested please PW me.

 

There is a members market for that.