*** Official Sager NP9175 / Clevo P775TM Owner's Lounge! ***

Many thanks to everyone for their help. There is a starting point for testing. Later I will share the results with photos.

 

The chips should leave a lith impression if you press the card against it while the assembly is upside down.

 

Have you received any updates to the Prema BIOS since your initial purchase? Is there anywhere to check to see if and when any updates to the low level firmware are even available?

Very pleased with my purchase as well after 7 or so months. Biggest complaint is that I'm not traveling as much as I thought I would be to fully utilize having as much power as I do in a laptop. Other than that, awesome stuff.

What did you mean in regards to the "unmodified Coolermaster" part of your post? My P775TM1 does get noisy when stressed, primarily in Adobe apps, and I'm starting to get that itch to see what I can do to tweak and or modify things.

 

Keeping the CPU cool is easy, and you can even keep that fan at like 20%-30% max. Super silent, super quiet heavy load operation. It is my GPU that I struggle with the most. The GPU likes a 50% fan speed minimum and it is pretty audible.

You can create a very quiet laptop if you get the cooling surfaces even and contact areas perfect.

 

Contact your reseller regarding firmware.

 

Hello, Could I ask you to share your vbios of gtx 1080 if you have TM Clevo versions? I would like to compare versions, maybe someone has a never or better vbios which keep a higher core clock speed?

I think i have vbios with 190W TDP. It boost only to 1847Mhz

 

The non modified ones will give the same clocks.

 

Wow, now I know why you are sitting here in all Clevo topics. To write posts that add nothing....

 

Ah maybe you don't know post TM they got locked down harder so the TDP edits don't work any more. Hard mods are the only way to really give a bit more headroom.

 

"Hard mods" you mean the programmer? I upload bios only through the programmer since Pascal's premiere. Was there any other way to upload modify vbios to Pascal card?

 

Does GPU-Z work for taking a backup of 10xx vbios or do you need a programmer?

 

You need to try and see if it works, I had problem once with one card (maybe with1070? I dont remember) and GPU-Z didn't wanted to backp it.

 

BGA on motherboard tend to fail with extraction but the mxm cards usually work. I think nvflash might be able to back it up too.

 

I'll give that a shot once I have the system running again.

 

I should have been more specific. Is this on all stock settings, or any overclocking going on? Liquid metal treatment or standard high quality paste?

I've been using the Obsidian Tools Control Station to tweak the CPU, but it seems that nearly any adjustments even with undervolting cause the CPU to hit 90c and up, and the fans are screaming when utilizing all cores.

I haven't given it a close look again in regards to the contact of the cooler and the status of the LM/paste. Maybe there's a BIOS setting I've missed, although the Control Station tool interacts at the BIOS level.

Gotta find a way to prop this thing up with my leftover Noctua cooler from the system I sold to get this laptop....

 

I have 1” rubber feet on mine, lapped heatsink, K5 Pro on everything, delidded cpu, rockitcool copper IHS, liquid metal on everything. Not a drop of thermal gel.

Running my CPU stock with auto fan with just a undervolt runs in the mid to high 50’s in R15. So this is 4.3Ghz with a -215 undervolt.

R15 at 5.1Ghz will hit 82-88C under back to back loads.

What game are you playing and I could give you a better comparison. My CPU runs extremely cool in games. The only game where my cpu can potentially get hotter is BFV which uses AVX and very heavy utilization 5Ghz all core runs around 85-90C.

^ But if I ran simply 4.7Ghz with -215 undervolt it would drop temperatures by 20C.

 

How much of a performance hit does BFV take when you compare 4.7/5.0Ghz?

 

Thanks for the reply. I don't do much gaming at all on this actually, mostly Lightroom and Photoshop and a few other semi heavy duty encoding things here and there. I got mine from HIDevolution and also delidded with Conductonaut liquid metal.

Did you lap the heatsink yourself? And I didn't think to grab another rockitcool copper IHS, which I had with my 9900K desktop that I sold off for this P775TM1. It's my first "desktop parts in a mobile unit" config.

I am not running stock settings as you are. With the Obsidian Tools control station I like to be at 5.1 for single core, and then stepping down per core basically. I try to keep 4.6 all core, and yeah, that creates some heat. The undervolt ranges between -85 to -105. I haven't played with that a whole lot since I've just been tolerating the fan noise.

I need to look through the BIOS more and double check a few things. I recall on my desktop unit I had to compensate with the AVX offset, and that chip was also binned by Silicon Lottery so I had a good starting point. I don't even know what the hell does or doesn't use AVX nowadays.

Also when I am at home I take off the bottom part of the enclosure and prop it up on a metal mesh laptop stand.

Thanks for the tips and info, I'll give it some thought about what to tweak.

 

I cannot feel the difference. But I can certainly see the difference in my OSD max FPS. it helps that GPU utilization stay up some. Maybe like 7 fps more.

 

Oh stock settings is just an example for temps. I run 5.1 on all (6) cores

 

It's actually easier to run all the cores at the same speed as you get faster due to voltage stability.

 

Do anyone know how to turnoff SPDIF or Optical output through the 3.5 headphone jack?

I mainly used that port for my Astro A50 (which requires SPDIF).
Now I want to use a normal headphone.
My laptop can't detect cables if it plugged in or not. It stuck always on SPDIF.

 

It's a mechanical thing, it should switch over, if it does not then there is something up physically most likely.

 

As Meaker said, the headphone output should switch over automatically. If you're using linux it won't switch without a kernel patch, but that can get annoying.

 

Has anyone had success with driving two monitors via a thunderbolt dock? Most of the new ones that have two outputs seem to expect two displayport lanes, while some, such as the dell tb16, have an MST hub. If I plug two monitors into one of the former, only the first monitor will work. I can get two to work via the MST hub, but it means I'm stuck using a tb16. I guess I could buy a separate mst hub and plug it into one of the displayport outputs on the hub, but that seems kinda gross.

I do have the dp to tbt setting in the bios enabled.

 

Only one stream is passed to the TB3 port to free up the other port.

 

Ok, that's what I was thinking. Just curious -- is that a hardware limitation or something that's hidden away in the bios? Could be a neat thing to change in a prema bios.

 

They are split so you can have the two hunderbolt outputs as well as the two displayport outputs with the signals independent.

 

Hello, and another weird tech problem here. I'm lucky.
So, a P775-Tm1 with [email protected] ghz and Prema bios. Was using bios settings at first, then they started derping and i downloaded ThrottleStop to control things from OS. Alongside, CCC is installed for fan and backlight control.

Recently system started to do even stranger things with CPU management.
It can suddenly lock frequency at 3.8 ghz and/or TDP limit at 40w for no reason, on boot or during uptime, while bios and any monitoring software still displays the values that were set, and does not report any limit reasons. Under load it just hits these numbers like a wall and doesn't go higher.
The only way to (temporarily) fix this is to install Intel XTU.
Sometimes it fixes itself immediately after installation, sometimes i need to actually launch the app.
In there, it will show "at boot" CPU multipliers as 120x, and all other values as normal. Under stress, CPU will hit these weird limits, but not report any limit reasons still.
To fix the problem,I need to change the cpu miltipliers mode from "package" to "per core". Utility will recognise that as a change that needs saving (normally - not) and after saving CPU will work more or less as intended.
Instead it can hit another phantom limit at ~85w and fix for this i haven't found yet.

Does anyone have any ideas for where to dig?

 

Check your VRMs are all seating to the heatsink ok.

 

Kind of, I remember the same problem happening to me for some time (i have an i5-8600k). The only thing I found is by setting the values of PL1 to something like 112000 it was dialing it back to 37.5 or smth. So i put 112500 and 125000 to PL2 and it didn't touch them anymore. The VR is set to 600 afair. Tell me if you need additional info.

 

as far I can tell, they are. Anyway, shouldn't XTU report "motherboard VR thermal throttling" then?

Nope, not this. Though I also had exactly this 2 or 3 times, then it stopped happening. In my case, changing powerlimits has no effect whatsoever, I just had them default, and VR at 750 as by default. CPU clocks and voltage is is set so it can't reach even 100w mark under stress load, it never hits power limits.
Do you use Clevo control center? And what version, if so? Throttlestop?
and unrelated question. How that 8600k performs here, both thermals and clocks wise? I'm considering such a "downgrade", while more preferable 8700k stays stupidly overpriced here.

 

To get my 8086k happy all day at 5Ghz there were secondary power targets that needed adjusting.

 

I didn't use Clevo Control Center up until now, so it wasn't the problem back then. No Throttlestop as well. As for the CPU, it's ok, I use 4.5GHz, with -80 adaptive undervolt, under stresstest, it's in low 80s. Maybe wait for 10th gen to hit the market and get a 9700k or even 9900k. Seems like people can put such monsters in a laptop.

 

10th gen is a new socket and is not going to be any less power hungry.

 

The 10th gen 8 cores chips will most likely run with less power consumption vs 9th gen KS chips clock for clock. The diferences will be the 10 cores K chips.

 

Have suspicion my win10 install's power management somehow corrupted, may need to reinstall/reset. Will experiment with clean install on separate disk later.
If not this, should be firmware.

 

I doubt it myself.

 

You mean Intel will use all best binned chips for the top dog and bin i7 chips below what you got for KS? Yeah, it looks like this if you see all core boost for the 8 core chips. If this sheet is valid then you can see 8 cores chips will get lower all core boost than 9th gen KS chips. Aka won't do better than 9900K.

Amazing if we won't see performance boost going from 9th up to 10th gen 8/16 thread chips. If we only get the single core boost increase over 9900K, this will be the Joke gen Intel chips.

 

It's the same process basically, already very refined.

 

Made a test with clean win10 install on a separate drive, with original removed and bios reset and reconfigured again. Also checked cooling fit.
shows that same ~40w lock right from the first boot.

I don't know what to think. Something weird with firmware.

 

What's the bios/EC version on the board? Did you update it or was it shipped with it?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...tm-owners-lounge.809621/page-70#post-10678308

 

Shipped with broken Prema's firmware, later updated by Prema himself with supposedly proper one.
Weirdest thing is it worked well until recently.

 

What flags are triggered in hwinfo64 under perf cap reason?

 

None. In XTU, TDP limit, though the TDP limit setting in the same window stays as intended at above 100w, and it never even was set to lower than 100w since this thing was put together... That's the confusing part.
It doesnt work and doesn't explain why.

 

Alright, that's strange. Can you try this, set PL1 to 200000 and PL2 250000 Power Limit 1 time [1s] and see whether it's still bouncing off a limit.

Edit: also try enabling "ultimate performance" in windows 10 and disable c-states. Perhaps something is messing up there.

 

Windows power management definitely messes something up, but is not the case.
Did what you say, will see if it helps. It needs some time, as problem isn't persistent. (or i'm too stupid to troubleshoot it correctly, also possible)

upd.
Disabling C-states causes it to hit the wall at x45 cores multiplier without any explanation.

 

Hello,
What are the diffrence betwean Clevo version RTX 2070 vs RTX 2080 on stock in P775TM1? Is it worth paying extra to 2080? (I mean about stock overall performance and new ray tracing cores and their performance?)

 

Clevo 2070 is a desktop 2070 with 115w TDP lock (of 175?) that is not removable yet
Clevo 2080 is a desktop 2080 with 150w TDP lock (of 215?) that apparently can be cracked already.
is it worth the extra cost? up to you to decide.