**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

I dont understand the point of keeping the comparison fair in the sense that is meant in the quote at all, pardon me. The only fair I would like to care about or look at is to get the most powerful laptop I can get my hands on if I pour 4000 $ worth of sweat in it. If there has to be fair let it be attached to my money and the value I receive for it and not to the laptop/laptops . Also the only drawback to this would have been that an overclocked system has a reduced life but as again pointed out by Aikimox , this is also a myth coz if cooling is good then there is no detrimental effect on the system per se .

 

Yep sure but if for a moment we assume that no such thing as frequency measurement or OC existed then we would never have a case of an M18 beating our P270WM at all. And as long as the frequency thing exists and there is a way that can make even a weaker M18 (overclocked or not ) prevail over the NP I would like to know and try it for sure for my money coz it would be money's worth.
What I want to say is the question I would like to know about is whether it is possible for the M18 to do more work as you put it or achieve bigger numbers than the NP9270 both of these as they exist in the real world with all their limitations(heating for NP) and excelling points( OC of M18
and but no OC of NP due to overheat and what not). As pointed out earlier M18 can beat NP9270 at 4.5 GHz OC ie achieve bigger numbers. It is sad that NP9270 cannot be overclocked but then that is the way it is in practicality.

 

Agreed. But without an IVB-E in hand, there's no way to say that with 100% certainty. For all I know, the stock IVB-E will blow away a 4.5GHz OC'd SNB-M. In the end, we both agree- the actual benches are what matter, not the fact that something may or may not be OC'd.

So when the SNB-M chip can only turbo on one core, but the SNB-E/IVB-E can turbo on ALL cores, those things matter in these (especially multi-threaded) CPU bench tests.

Without an NP9270 in hand, how do you know this? How do you know the NP9270 cannot be overclocked? I already posted OC'ing capabilities of the x7200. Assuming the NP9270 follows in the footsteps of the x7200, it most likely can be OC'd as well. What we don't know is by *how much*? Also, there is a bigger unknown is what kind of OC'ing will be accomplished on the IVB-E? Will the die-shrink reduce the TDP even more so it will achieve bigger numbers.

No one, but intel engineers (or those most likely under NDA) that have access to those engineering samples of the CPUs can answer those questions.

 

Sandy Bridge mobile processors also can Turbo Boost on more than one core. Of course, the number of core(s) depend on the applications (multi-threaded/single-threaded) you're running. Both desktop & mobile Sandy Bridge processors Turbo Boost to highest with only one core when running single-threaded application. You will not be able to get highest Turbo Boost when running multi-threaded application except i7-3930K & i7-3960X processors in which you can get highest Turbo Boost with muti-threaded application IF that application only utilized two cores. Both i7-3930K & i7-3960X have Turbo Ratio of 3/3/4/4/6/6 in which the first number is when all 6 cores active, the second number is when only 5 cores active, the third number is when only 4 cores active & so on.

i7-3960X:-
Turbo Ratio 3/3/4/4/6/6

• First number is multiply with 100 MHz when all 6 cores are active
• Second number is multiply with 100 MHz when 5 cores are active
• Third number is multiply with 100 MHz when 4 cores are active
• Fourth number is multiply with 100 MHz when 3 core is active
• Fifth number is multiply with 100 MHz when 2 cores are active
• Sixth number is multiply with 100 MHz when only 1 core is active

Normal operating frequency is 3.3 GHz GHz (~3300 MHz)

• With 6 or 5 cores active: ~3.60 GHz --> 3300 + 3 x 100 = 3300 + 300 ≃ 3600
• With 4 or 3 cores active: ~3.70 GHz --> 3300 + 4 x 100 = 3300 + 400 ≃ 3700
• With 2 or 1 cores active: ~3.90 GHz --> 3300 + 6 x 100 = 3300 + 600 ≃ 3900

The same calculation can be use to calculate Sandy Bridge mobile processor Turbo Boost.

I'm interested to see M18x OC-ed vs NP9270/P270WM OC-ed. Since both have extreme edition processor, so OC must be included in the equation. True, both have different class of processors (desktop vs. mobile) but both are notebook & this one argument alone show both can be compared.

 

Kizwan,

Thanks for the post. See my post here - http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...levo-p270wm-owners-lounge-54.html#post8380479

The stats you give relate to the i7-3960X (LGA 2011) desktop CPU, correct? But there's nothing I've seen this applies to SNB-M. In fact, the only thing I can find this quote in relation to SNB-M:

( Intel Core i7-2820QM Mobile Sandy Bridge Performance Review | PC Perspective) which I take to mean that Turbo Boost only works on a single core with SNB-M.

Do you have any links / resources that specifically talk about SNB-M and multi-core availability when running in Turbo Boost mode?

 

Yes, you're correct the calculation in my previous post is for i7-3960X (LGA 2011) desktop CPU. You can use the same calculation for mobile CPU if you know the Turbo Ratio for it.

The keyword " top" & " full speed" means highest Turbo Boost. It doesn't means Turbo Boost only work on one core.

You can refer to wiki if you like: Intel Turbo Boost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and for Turbo Ratio/Steps: List of Intel Core i7 microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I see, Basically, if the chip detects its temps low enough it can dynamically adjusting the clock up depending on what cores are in use.

Thanks for the links.

Food for thought... Will the P270WM be able to house/cool the Xeon E5-26xx? I think DGDXGDG talked about earlier in this thread. If so, that might mean with multi-threaded apps, I can get more work done with even at stock an 8core/16hyper-threads vs. an OC'd 4 core SNB.

 

That calculation makes a difference in my mind now, thanks. Wow, so much logic! Never thought that there went so much work into a single name..

 

I would compare stock to stock only on non-extreme CPU's. If the system comes with a k/X/XM processor, it means you are paying extra (in the X/XM case almost 2x extra) for the OC' option. In the case of P270WM vs M18xR2 it's, whichever is faster at it's highest stable OC'. If you are not going to OC' your system, and are getting a K/X CPU, you're buying the extra ticket to the show you'll never attend

M18x R1 (29x0XM) can be safely OC'ed to 4.5ghz x 8 threads That's without changing voltages. Extreme benchers (Johnkss) were able to push it to 5.3ghz but I have no idea how stable it was and how many cores were active during that bench. But since they managed to score below 5sec in Wprime 32M (which takes all cores into consideration), and the result is better than that of a stock 3960X, I assume the mobile Ivy should have at least 10-15% edge in the same bench.

IMHO, when you compare CPU benches of the 2 systems, look at the cooling potential first. I know Clevo has made a few changes in the P270WM cooling but it still looks very similar to the X7200 one. My wild guess at this point is that if the AW M18x R2 comes with a better heatsink (at least 20W extra heat transfer efficiency), it will allow the 39x0XM CPU's to be pushed at around 4.7ghz without any issues. I'm hoping for at least 10% OC' potential in the new Clevo as well, so it's gonna get very exciting as the first benches surface.

 

I need some more info here.

a) The 39x0XM are the IVB mobile CPUs, correct?
b) Alienware m18x/m17x mobos use HM67 as the chipset, is that correct?

Maybe my info is stale, but I don't think you'll be upgrading to anything except the 2960XM. Two quotes regarding IVB-M CPU being able to run in a SNB-M mobo/socket:

Or are you talking about an AW update/refresh that will be running IVB-M?

 

^^ I'm talking about the M18xR2 which is coming 1 month after the P270WM and yes, it will be running the mobile Ivy.

 

Is that confirmed or rumor? I was looking around, and some posts indicate a "guess" about mid-June/July. However, it may all be moot, as all of this (P270WM release / m1*x refresh) will most likely happen way before the IVB-E CPUs is released.

 

Well, the P270WM was initially supposed to enter the shipping stage in early March. Now, it's pushed to April (hopefully).
The M18xR2 is timed with the mobile Ivy release, which is pushed to May now. It's not a rumor and was confirmed by Dell reps in the AW section. They are also well aware of the "what users want to see in the R2 version" list, we made after long and hot debates (though I won't hold my breath for it, but a couple of those entries may become a reality). You can see it here. The info I have from my business partners point to end of April (26-29) as the NDA release date and mid-end May for the first adopters to appear. This guy knows when but he's under NDA...but he's a good friend...but now I'm also under NDA...oh well...

 

Well. I guess this is speculation on all fronts until someone decides to ship something that users can actually use.

 

Yep, and until we get some real benches from real owners who know how to push it, - it's X7200 vs M18xR1

 

i might end up going for m18x r2 just cause of your comments =( too bad r2 doesnt come with 3 harddrive bay >.<

but i would really like to see some OC on 3920xm or possibly 3960xm (if released later) VS. 3960x or 3930k. also im look forward to any company releases a laptop thats larger than 18 inch.. =D

also, im not sure about mobile cpu, but 2700k of ivybridge was confirmed and only about 3% better in performance than sandy 2700k. although the cooling is quite a bit better, not so much in performance.

 

So soon time we are going to see some real beasts.

 

well if ivy e coming out end of this year, i might as well wait until that 16 threads beast come out before getting a sager, and honestly 17 inch laptop isnt my thing, i prefer 18 or larger lol.

 

Wife just approved the expenditure (whipped I know), Mythlogic how do I give you my money?

 

I emailed you with how we can alleviate you of that excess money =)

 

mythlogic do you sell Clevo P270WM barebone on april?

 

Do we have confirmation that P270WM has Optimus enabled? The following link does suggest this:
Notebook - Style Note Clevo P270WM v.6

 

Yes it does have it, that why it holds 100 mins of charge with single gtx 580.
if you want the pdf file where it says 100mins , pm me' (found it yesterday)

 

Lol #1, it says "working time on battery - 1hr". Same as the X7200.

Lol #2 The 3960X and 3930K don't have integrated graphics, there cannot be Optimus, by default.

So, realistically, 1hr is possible with a single 580M + power saving mode. SLI would reduce that to 45-50min, with 25-30min under load.
Those looking for battery life should look somewhere else, IMHO.

 

Agreed. I don't understand why someone cares about battery life if your using a Desktop Replacement, such as the P270WM.

 

To put it nicer: It is impossible for the P270WM to have Optimus because the X79 platform and its supported CPUs do not have any integrated graphics of any kind. You can see this on Intel's Ark for the Core i7 3930K: Intel® Core? i7-3930K Processor (12M Cache, 3.20 GHz)

The iGPU field is left blank, which indicates no. As Akimox said; anyone looking for realistic battery life should be looking at a different machine.

 

We will sell them when they are released, yes

 

Oh thank you, let me know the prices when they release or before it.
Lol #1 = they stated in x7200 , that only 45mins of battery , so this should be a major increase.
Lol #2 = lol I didnt do an search about it, but that mobo can have an intergrated gpu , ( you cant say it wont)

so your points are called failed ( OH wait its EPIC FAIL)

 

What Aikimox meant for "integrated graphics" is the Intel HD Graphics. Only with Intel HD Graphics + Nvidia GPU, Optimus is possible. Intel HD Graphics is integrated on the processor. However, 3960X and 3930K datasheet doesn't list Intel HD Graphics in the available features.

 

It wont.

Trust us.

 

#1: Where did you get your numbers from?? Look at the reviews with dual and single GPU configs. (Notebookcheck). Both the X7200 and P270WM use the same chassis as well as similar components (rated TDP's, number of hard drives, type of battery and number of cells, etc) and though the former has a slightly higher CPU power consumption @ idle and the later has a backlit keyboard, the battery life difference won't be huge.

#2: Please do a little research on IGP and Intel chipsets including the X79.

 

It's impossible but I want to know if it works. Because if it works then it must be possible.
I don't understand why nobody, one exception actually, didn't see that I was thinking Ivy Bridge cpu's. I have thought that IB cpu's would have an IGP.

 

Ivy Bridge E and Sandy Bridge E don't have IGP (socket LGA2011), so it's impossible for the P270WM to have IGP.

 

^^^^ Yes this is the truth.

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Just thought I'd pass this along, was looking at ARK for the 3820,3930K and 3960x and for the hex cores found this tidbit. This may matter to some when they are ordering.

"This product includes VT-d support only on the C2 stepping. Stepping information can be viewed via the menu on the left."

 

Yea, the Socket 2011 that we have been receiving recently for our desktops are the C2 stepping. So at least for our laptops we are all set on that front =)

 

Ordered mine today from Mythlogic, can't wait till April.

 

Anyone posted this yet?
Intel to Omit Release of Enthusiast-Class "Ivy Bridge" Processors This Year - X-bit labs
Seems like no Ivy-E for me then.

 

I am getting mine shipped in 12 days: here are the Specs.

P270WM Configured Notebook - 17.3" FHD 1920x1080; Glossy; AUO B173HW01 V.4 90% NTSC; i7-3930K; 2x GTX 580M in SLI; 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3-1600 Samsung original; 240GB Intel 520 SSD SATA3; 750GB Hybrid SATA3; Blu-Ray Burner Panasonic UJ-260; Intel 6300 WLAN; Bluetooth; 2x 300W AC Adapters w/ 2 cords; without O/S

Price is : $3850USD

Cant wait to feel this baby )

Regards.

 

By the way, here is the Official Clevo P270WM User manual, It has Information on keyboard backlit and everything else.

m224_UserManual.pdf

Cheers.

 

wow this is awsom config, but unhappy about price.
but Id say you should have gone with an desktop, you can get an beast for this price.
This laptop is non portable , (not totally) , because it weight more than 5KG ,
these kind of desktop replacement's are waste for me because its going to sit in single place, like an desktop.

 

I understand what you are trying to say, But here is the thing.. Try carrying 17" a monitor + keyboard + mouse + Desktop CPU case. across borders in your back pack Sure the desktop is going to cost around half of that.. Oh don't forget to add in a 2+1 speaker set too alone with that.. see if I make the point here. As for that configuration price actually slightly worse at Mythological, Xotic Pc and else where.. costs around 4.5k usd on those.. Though Xotic Pc has got the cheapest one so far.. but mines far cheaper then them and yet the same product.

Regards.
altleet

 

haha, Oh I didnt know that you travel a lot, but a desktop is good for me.
and it wont cost 4.5k I bet I wont, I wont be buying a desktop from any of the resellers, Il buy all the parts I need , and il assemble it,.

 

great! tks a lot
unfortunately no upgrade guide can lets us see more internal chassis

 

good luck with that
im being sarcastic
and i hope you know what sarcasm means

 

Core i7-3980X <----- THAT I WANT, if its 8 cores when it comes out I WANT

 

Then why have you been posting that you're trying to put together a barebones x7200 or P270WM? If you're planning on never moving the machine and treating it exactly like a desktop, then why not just put together a desktop? A Desktop Replacement will cost quite a bit more as you're paying for that mobility in the system. But if you don't need the mobility..., well, I'm a bit confused.

 

lol , seriously I dont need mobility, thats why i was tryin to buy an x7200 for cheaper than desktop , but that doesnt seem to happen because the new ones are going to cost alot , so il be keeping my G73 for mobility and my SR2 for breaking records. my SR-2 has the power of 2x x7200 or wait its 3X. with single x5690 + 48GB + Gtx 590 + 4x x25e 64gb ssd.

 

I'm not sure you would've ever been able to do that unless someone practically handed you a free x7200 or P270WM chassis. The base laptop components are just too expensive when compared to a home built desktop.

Wait... [pause] The base chassis would've been inexpensive in your case as you were originally going to swap with DGDX. I see now.

 

So... why exactly are you posting here?